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Posted by Brenda J Khan on 9/30/04 7:23am
Msg #9077

FL IS or IS NOT a 2 Witness State?

I have conducted a few (less than 20) closings and have never run across the requirement of having a second witness to sign, however for my own HELOC closing the signing agent required I have a second witness to sign, stating FL is a required 2 witness state. I tried searching in the Florida Statues but got lost! I could really use some sound advice and answers from experienced signing agents or attorneys familiar with Florida laws and requirements.
Is Florida a 2 witness state or not?
Does anyone know the correct answer? And if you do know the answer where can I find that answer? Thank you for your help in clearing this matter up for me. BK-FL

Reply by Happy in Fl on 9/30/04 7:45am
Msg #9078

Brenda--- I'm getting ready to leave-- but Yes- we are a two witness state- and one can be the notary-- I always ask borrower to have a least one witness standing by- if they can't find a second--Hope this partially answers your question--- Gotta run.

Reply by PAW Notary Services on 9/30/04 7:54am
Msg #9080

NO, FL is NOT a witness state for MORTGAGES ...

However, Florida does require two witnesses for DEEDS THAT CONVEY PROPERTY.

Here are the statutes that pertain to each:
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Florida statues do not require witnesses for mortgages.

Florida Statutes Chapter 695.03
Acknowledgment and proof; validation of certain acknowledgments; legalization or authentication before foreign officials.--To entitle any instrument concerning real property to be recorded, the execution must be acknowledged by the party executing it, proved by a subscribing witness to it, or legalized or authenticated by a civil-law notary or notary public who affixes her or his official seal, before the officers ...

However, the statues do require two (2) witnesses for deeds that convey property

Florida Statutes Chapter 689.01 How real estate conveyed.--
No estate or interest of freehold, or for a term of more than 1 year, or any uncertain interest of, in or out of any messuages, lands, tenements or hereditaments shall be created, made, granted, transferred or released in any other manner than by instrument in writing, signed in the presence of two subscribing witnesses by the party creating, making, granting, conveying, transferring or releasing such estate, interest, or term of more than 1 year, or by the party's agent thereunto lawfully authorized, unless by will and testament, or other testamentary appointment, duly made according to law; and no estate or interest, either of freehold, or of term of more than 1 year, or any uncertain interest of, in, to or out of any messuages, lands, tenements or hereditaments, shall be assigned or surrendered unless it be by instrument signed in the presence of two subscribing witnesses by the party so assigning or surrendering, or by the party's agent thereunto lawfully authorized, or by the act and operation of law.

HOWEVER ... Some lenders and title companies still insist that mortgages be witnessed by two witnesses, regardless of the state statutes.

FYI - here is the current list of states requiring witnesses (according to my research):

2004 State Witness Requirements
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CT - 2 witnesses, one can be the notary
FL - 2 witnesses, one can be the notary - DEEDS OF CONVEYANCE ONLY, not mortgages
GA - 2 witnesses, one MUST be the notary
LA - 2 witnesses, CANNOT be the notary
SC - 2 witnesses, one can be the notary
VT - 2 witnesses, one MUST be the notary

NOTES:
1) FL - Mortgages DO NOT require witnesses, DEEDS (QuitClaim, Warranty, etc.) do
2) MI - witnesses are no longer required
3) Lenders may require witnesses, even though there is no state requirement.


Reply by Sylvia-FL on 9/30/04 10:21am
Msg #9084

NOT a 2 witness state

Happy
We are not a 2 witness state! Except, as Paul has pointed out, for deeds - such as QCD and WD's, GD's. Mortgages do NOT require two witnesses.


However, the lender can require 2 witnesses, and in those cases when borrower tells me they didn't need witnesses last time, I tell them that their lender is requiring it. (Many a time the lender will then tell them that it is a Florida state requirement!!).


Reply by Brenda J Khan on 9/30/04 8:34pm
Msg #9117

Re: NOT a 2 witness state

Thank you all for your great input and clearly stating the findings. I now understand 100% and even know where the proof is located! I hope this was helpful to more than just myself! BK-FL

Reply by Happy in Fl on 10/2/04 1:51pm
Msg #9251

Re: NOT a 2 witness state

Thankyou Paul and Sylvia-- your info. is always appreciated. So the final answer is:
Yes--- Florida is a two witness State- but only on Deeds etc. that convey property.
No---for all the other ones listed in Fl. Statutes.
Maybe---if the Lender requests it.

 

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