Posted by lulu on 4/1/06 5:31pm
Msg #110301

Would it be a good idea to create a newbie section?

I wonder if it would be helpful to those that get so irritated by the newbies asking the same question over and over again, if notary rotary put on a section for newbies. If they could go there and ask their questions and those who want to go to that section and help could. Those who want a, should I say more professional, more experienced, more brutal conversation can go to the usual section.

Reply by Korey Humphreys on 4/1/06 6:11pm
Msg #110312

Sounds good, but who's going to pay for it? Harry? Us?

I think it may raise NotRot member fees, and take away a lot of Harry's time.

This is a great site, don't get me wrong, but you gotta think of the costs. Forums don't grow on trees ya know

Lulu, you have a great idea. But I don't think it will ever happen.



Just my opinion.

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 4/1/06 6:18pm
Msg #110316

It would probably not do any good

Lulu, Why would anyone come to any web site and not read any of the messages and just start posting questions? And the very first time they went to post, did they not read Harry's instructions right above where you wrote your post? Probably, the thing that really eats at our craw is, if you can not even follow Harry's simple directions about using the search feature before posting, how on earth will they ever be able to follow directions from SS, TC and/or lenders? If a newbie section was created what makes anyone think that they would go there for information when it is so EASY to just post on this board? If someone does not have enough initiative to read before posting, they probably won't make it in this business either. When I first started there were no message boards that I was aware of (Not even sure they existed then) and then one day I stumbled across a now defunct site hosted by a man that more people disliked than liked. If you think Calinotary is blunt, you couldn't have stood what this man wrote. But he hosted the board and people posted a LOT of good information on it. If you can get your Master's from reading and studying this board, you surely qualified for a Bachelor's by reading that board. I only wish that I would have copied some of the posts to my files about how to handle a closing, which order to do it in (and reasons behind the order). He was the first one who told us to learn to read upside down. Oh, yes, it is a learned skill, just like reading right side up. Really works at a conference table where you are seated across from the borrowers. Try it, with practice you'll find it can be done.

And if newbies, think that we care blunt and rude, wait until they get into some of the borrower's homes. Now that can be rude (no all, but enough) and if you want to make it in this business you try to defuse the situation if you can, but many times have no choice but to sit there and listen. They can be especially hard on you if they perceive that you are a newbie. Some will try to eat you alive. This business is not for the faint of heart!

Reply by Korey Humphreys on 4/1/06 6:22pm
Msg #110317

Well said Dorothy :) n/m

Reply by lulu on 4/1/06 6:28pm
Msg #110318

Re: It would probably not do any good

I don't understand this aspect of the bo can be hard on the sa if they determine you are a newbie. We are there to get the papers signed and not answer any questions so what is it that they can be so hard on a sa about? We cannot give advice as such we cannot be found wrong to be rude to. Yes with a bit of education on what the paper work entails that you are handling you can defuse situations but the bo disgruntlement is not at the sa. Unless you are onto that previous thread about being a salesperson or you won't get paid, well if that's the case you are in the wrong business and the courts will shut you down eventually with UPL.

I think sometimes newbies or anyone for that matter that first find a forum are just anxious to jump in a be a participant. What's the best way to learn to do something, hands on.

Reply by BP/WV on 4/1/06 7:18pm
Msg #110321

LOL I thought everybody could read upside down!

I never took thought to that until now! I just thought everyone could do it.

Reply by lulu on 4/1/06 9:09pm
Msg #110339

Re: LOL I thought everybody could read upside down!

LOL! Ya once you learn to read upside down try learning sideways. I either have to look at the paper right side up or upside down, I can't read it sideways. Funny how we adapt to what is necessary.

Reply by MelissaM_FL on 4/1/06 11:09pm
Msg #110351

I can read upside down, but not sideways n/m

Reply by Anonymous on 4/1/06 7:48pm
Msg #110326

Re: It would probably not do any good

Dorothy,

To be honest with you I am new and I did not read anything. That is my fault noone elses. I had a question and I should have read the message. I looked at it about a hour ago and read it.

So you are all right in that aspect of things. But all people including new people deserve to be treated with respect. not that you guy's are direspecting anyone but some people who post and get answers fromlets say oldies they are disrespectful.

Reply by Pamela on 4/1/06 7:35pm
Msg #110322

Lulu: An Excellent idea!

Lulu,

I think that this is an excellent idea! In fact, there should be a separate board just for "newbies". In this way, questions can be asked (no matter how many times), without some of the more experience notaries becoming unglued!

Three months ago, I began reading this board (as well as the "other" board).
I have learned a great deal about notarizations and loan signings. I also find this board (and the "other" one) to be an excellent teaching tool for human behavior. Definitely, a psychologists and sociologists delight (I was a Social Science/History major).!

However, I was dismayed by much of the negativity aimed at the "newbies".

For all intended purposes, I thought that these boards were supposed to be a type of "sisterhood and brotherhood" of notaries. Unfortunately, this isn't true.

There are many fine experienced notaries on this board, who will politely answer the same questions over and over. And there are others who will scare the "newbie" into a state of shock, by their replies!

So Yes! A separate forum would be inviting!

Pam

Reply by Charles_Ca on 4/1/06 9:00pm
Msg #110338

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

that only newbies might read that board and then they would not get the answers they seek. I have never thought that these boards are any kind of a "sisterhood or brotherhood!" I am also amazed that, as someone posted earlier, that newbies just want to get on and post. As I've said before these boards and in fact many others are a community. As in any community there is a well established pecking order (a psych/soc major should understand) and when a stranger jumps in and starts making accusations, complaining about the established order of things it disrupts the continuum. The best way to be accepted by a community is to spend a little time understanding the community and the interaction of the individuals before jumping in. Almost every day, if not daily there is a reference to using the search button, or to reading the fixed messages, if someone spent a day reading the board before jumping in they would already know two of the major complaints voiced by the established members and avoid the issue. Also if you read the suggested threads you would know the answer to most of extremely basic questions that get asked by newbies. I, personally, would not visit a newbie board and I don't know what inducement there would be to other experienced NSAs to read the boards to help out newbies. Without the experienced and established NSAs on this board that would leave the newbiels exposed to the likes of some of the individuals who post here as if they actually knew something (the established people know who I am referring to, currently). some of the advice given here is incorrect, illegal and wold cause a newbie to lose thier business if followed. Fortunately there is a natural correction system here as some of the established members will comment on the wrong advice.

Reply by lulu on 4/1/06 9:51pm
Msg #110347

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

That is EXACTLY what these boards SHOULD be is a sisterhood/brotherhood! To hell with your pecking order! I have never adhered to that little scenario! Pecking order and cliques make me sick! Ya I understand this community as any other and it's a bunch of crap and I will not succumb to it in the least! I am in no way looking for acceptance. Never have been and never will be. I dont' need to be in the 'in' crowd, I am my own person. That is the purpose of a separate newbie board so those like yourself Charles_GA don't have the aggrevation of newbies. This does not mean there aren't people in the world who would like to help the newbies out. I can see then that you must be one of those who wouldn't take the time to help an elderly or child across the street either. As for exposing the newbies to the incorrect advice, you are sadly mistaken. Just because someone is new to this board does not mean they are a 'Newbie' by any means and that the information they give is incorrect. I will say the thread regarding selling a loan is an absurdly incorrect item and I urge any newbie who is reading to NEVER try to sell a loan! Your job is to simply get signatures, notarize and be sure they are who they portray to be and return the docs to the company who hired you. As for the 'established people', they are not the only ones who have been around awhile! I also wonder for anyone who posts anonymously, what is the problem? Are you afraid your opinion may not meet with the opinions of the 'established ones'? I think if you can't post as who you are you should really keep your mouth shut! I will reiterate that I will help any newbie that asks for it!

Reply by BatmanWA on 4/2/06 1:14am
Msg #110362

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

***Your job is to simply get signatures, notarize and be sure they are who they portray to be and return the docs to the company who hired you.***

I would not be where I'm at right now in this profession doing what is stated above, and I will not contract/hire anyone with that mentality to work with my company.

Reply by lulu on 4/2/06 10:58am
Msg #110390

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

My apologies for your interpretation of that message. I referred to the bare minimum to counteract the idea that a notary would try to sell the loan to the borrower. All of the borrowers I have worked with are made to feel very comfortable with the loan they are signing either through 'my' being able to find their answers for clarification within the documents or by my suggestion to certainly make a contact while at the table to ease their mind etc. I pace my signings according to the comfort zone of the borrower.
I have this one ss that I have done a lot of work for in the past, I am finding that they have so many flub ups that I have to bend over backward to make right, that they really mess with my equilibrium (attitude and patience) with all of my other clients. This site is quite similar. I have never gone on here much but have sort of been pulled in by my husband. This site has some very good information but in among it is too much negativity which as I said messes with my equilibrium. I think this will be my last post and viewing to this forum.

Reply by MichiganAl on 4/2/06 1:38am
Msg #110363

Charles is absolutely right

You don't just barge in all spit and vinegar. Not here, not in any kind of social or business setting. And I'll go even further. Anyone who doesn't grasp that probably doesn't make a very good impression as a signing agent. They lack even a rudimentary understanding of social interaction, something that is critical to success as a signing agent. You say you want this to be a sisterhood/brotherhood. Well, you don't just bully your way in and demand to be a part of something like that. It takes time and effort. Respect is earned.

And a forum just for newbies? What, so they can spread misinformation to each other? That's just plain scary. But if it happens, I nominate a certain Florida notary as their leader. That said, I think a sticky section would be very helpful. We've had several great posts that discuss how to start, how to market, and what kind of supplies are needed.

Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 4/2/06 3:02am
Msg #110367

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

Lulu, get off your high horse and stop thinking just because you are among the thousands of notaries buying the NNA line hook, line and sinker doesn't mean that the established notaries like TitleGal, Brenda_TX, CaliNotary, PAW, Lily_MD, Charles_CA (not GA), et al should turn over their knowledge, marketing ideas and client list just because you ask. I can just see the newbie board, a bunch of new NNA produced notaries wetting their pants because they didn't get the information their were told by NNA that other notaries would share and they are going to demand someone share with them. Just today, someone posted about how do they go about getting paid $125-$150. And I don't think this person knows how much they are allowed to charge per notarization or that they need a TPL (since they are from MD) yet. It's quite sad. Instead of just posting since they may have just paid for a membership, they should start by using the search tab (which 95% of newbies don't do) and reading and absorbing the posts that pertain to their state.
**Just because someone is new to this board does not mean they are a 'Newbie' by any means and that the information they give is incorrect.** Just because someone is new to the board doesn't make them a knowledge notary who is correct when they post, either. For me, in CA, I would listen to the likes of Charles, TitleGal, CaliNotary, et al. I also still use the search button. Although I consider myself a newbie since I've been at this about 9 months, there is no way I would go to newbie section. I'm going to respect the ones who are smarter than I and learn what I can from them.
**To hell with your pecking order! I have never adhered to that little scenario!** I say, if you don't like the pecking order and don't want to adhere to it, to hell with you and any other notary who feels a sense of entitlement!

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:34am
Msg #110372

Lulu! Charles Has Been Very Helpful to this "Newbie"!

Lulu,

You are wrong about Charles!

As a "newbie" he has been very helpful to me. I Appreciate his Kindness Very Much!

I understand that you are upset, but please don't put everyone under the same umbrella!

Please feel free to e-mail me!

Pam

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:02am
Msg #110370

Charles Ca

Good Evening Charles!

My reason for stating "sisterhood" and "brotherhood" is that I have been a union member for many, many years (I also come from a union family, so that's why I use those terms! )! There are meetings just for new members. No one is "bashed" for asking the same question!

The reason for a "newbie" wanting to get on and post (without reading prior threads), is because they are "so excited". The equivalent of being a freshman in high school wanting to hang out with the Seniors (on the first day no less)!

When a "newbie" board or section was suggested, it was the thought that experienced notaries would be responding to "newbie' questions, as they are now, but "without" the distraction of the hostility and rudeness, shown by some!

That these experienced notaries, would willingly want to contribute to the board. They would not feel bothered by "newbies" repeatedly asking the same questions, nor would they feel threatened (as I now know that some of the experienced notaries feel)!

As I stated in another mesage (to Dorothy), each person is different. Not all "newbies" are "thick skinned"! Each "newbie" is different!

Constructive criticism is good. However criticism should never be used to demean a person's value (as some on this board do). "Bashing" someone because they ask a question (simple or not) makes for a negative experience.

Not everyone is as polite or as professional as you or Dorothy.

And, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR HELPING THIS "NEWBIE"!

You are Very Nice for having done so!

May You Have a Blessed Day!


Pam

Reply by thnotary_NY on 4/2/06 9:09am
Msg #110380

Re: Lulu: An Excellent idea! But, have you considered...

"Seek first to understand........."