Posted by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:58am
Msg #110373

"WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" n/m

Reply by BatmanWA on 4/2/06 8:37am
Msg #110376

Who's fighting? n/m

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 2:19pm
Msg #110404

Wow! The understatement of the Day! n/m

Reply by FlaMac on 4/2/06 9:00am
Msg #110379

Pamela...

In any open forum this size you are going to have a few that are just mean people. As the previous thread stated, it's human behavior. God made all kinds...good and bad. I've read your other post and you've found much valuable information here. Whether you're a Newbie or a Ole Timer...We take the ideas that we agree with and try them and the rest we leave behind.

The safest rule of thumb is this: If they insult other's, newbie's or otherwise, than it's safe to assume that they are part of the "mean" crowd. Best bet is to make your own list of "bad poster's" and then ignore them. That is what many of us do and then your valuable time here will be productive and pleasant.

I have two motto's: "Ignore the nonsense and keep smiling" and " If you act like them; you become them" Please don't assume they represent the majority. They don't. They are a very small group of folks but they do post regularly so be forwarned. Also, realize that there are some signing service employee's here that pose as signing agents hence giving advice that benefits the SS industry. As well as Ole Timer's who will lead you astray because they want you to fail.

Good Luck and keep reading...it's the best way to learn what you need

Reply by Charm_AL on 4/2/06 9:29am
Msg #110381

re-post with addition...

If may interject here...We all strive to be professionals when we are on a signing, dealing with a SS or a TC. We try to be professional when we must collect, or listen to a company yell about a situation, not necessarily our fault.
We try to maintain professionalism when we must sit in a home that should be condemned or at the very least closed by the Health Dept.
We maintain professionalism by knowing and practicing our state laws and practicing proper industry law in the client's home.
We strive to be professional while a borrower is being difficult, or we can't find someone with an answer at 9pm...an hour or so from where we live.

We try to maintain professionalism here at out 'water cooler' on the internet highway where we meet many types of personalities. Just like at an office you will have dislikes, disagreements, catty discussion and gossip.
If you were the office manager and told the hiree that there was a manual for anything they wanted to know, by simply pressing the orange button....have you seen the Staples 'easy button'? Same concept, and if it wasn't in there after due diligence, then ask it.

If your office turnover was everyday x 10 and the new people just barged into your office asking you a very basic and need to know for this industry, you'd go postal. Some notaries with years of experience are being flooded out with all the troops of newbies churned out daily, putting 1,000 notaries within 20 miles of you - the ones who say "train me, give me, answer me"...
Yes, there are the blunt, rude, mean, less than charming that offend....but just because this is a notary forum in Outer Space does not mean it's going to be some fantasy sugar and spice place where everyone can pretend professional is God like.

And another thing, YES there are some out here that we would wager, do not have enough education to read, comprehend, fend, or study and research. Yes, there are a lot of lazy and ungrateful notaries that expect the experience to be read to them like a bed time story.

Also, we have some like flamac that pop up and give their concocted version of the law and they are very wrong and very dangerous to a newbie. She states 'mean' but it always starts out asking her politely to stop with the misinformation. You can look up her many posts where she's been corrected. It gets tiring after awhile and because she's a total airhead, she calls us mean. Some folks you just cannot get through to, she's one of them, so we label her as someone that will post anything for attention and the attention is negative so she thrives on it to keep some fantasy going in her head that she's right and the world is wrong and we're all mean. Dangerous to your career, and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

ok, I'm done - I've got flowers to plant...

Reply by John_NorCal on 4/2/06 10:01am
Msg #110385

Re: re-post with addition...

Can't add too much more to Charm's post. Just this, in a previous post Lulu states that she operates under the philosophy of "Give a man a fish and he eats for one day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." That is a great philosophy and one that I believe is followed to a great extent on this board. People get very tired of the very basic questions such as "How do I fill in an acknowledgement?" Aren't these questions that someone should know when they get their notary commission. I have seen many questions relating to the actual mechanics of signings answered on this forum. Often times these questions are answered with an additional invitations to contact the responder by email for further help. These are not "oldies" who want a newbie to fail. These are people, professionals, that want the integrity of this profession to be preserved and enhanced. Posters like FlaMac who speak of "smiling and ingnoring the nonsense" smile through the teeth of ignorance and self righteousness. Her advice and observations are dangerous to the very core. Someone like her will lead a newbie into embassement, failure and potential legal difficulties.

Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 4/2/06 10:07am
Msg #110386

Re: Pamela...

**My reason for stating "sisterhood" and "brotherhood" is that I have been a union member for many, many years (I also come from a union family, so that's why I use those terms! )! There are meetings just for new members. No one is "bashed" for asking the same question! **

Pamela, if you just realized this ISNT a union job, maybe you will see that you are NOT "entitled" to anything in this forum. Just because someone gives you an answer which is less then what you had hoped for or more honest than you hoped for, you would soon realize that you have to do your due diligence (sp?) and work hard. The amount of effort you put in on education, research and reading will reflect how successful you become, not what some "mean person" on NotRot said. You have to look yourself in the mirror each day and decide whether you did you best. You both have to get over this "union mentality."

Most of here share a few common threads, mostly that we are notaries and that some of us are from the same state. There is nothing in any handbook suggesting you have to be mentored or are guaranteed the answer 'you are looking for'.

FlaMac, **In any open forum this size you are going to have a few that are just mean people.** Well, my response to that is that there will be misinformed and/or uneducated people who are passing themselves off as knowledgable and to be wary of them. They just want to post information that have not confirmed themselves as accurate.
**Also, realize that there are some signing service employee's here that pose as signing agents hence giving advice that benefits the SS industry. As well as Ole Timer's who will lead you astray because they want you to fail. ** Do you know this for a fact? It sounds like more misinformation on your end. Your state is full of people who are nothing but HELPFUL (ie Paul, Becca...no disrespect intended to those not listed). It also sounds like you are "becoming one of them" as you suggest. Everyone I speak with will give me the answer I am looking for after I explain to them the circumstance and what information I have found so far. As a matter of fact, a handful of notaries here are working to help each other. If I have a question, I have several people who I can call to bounce the issue off of. However, its not required they do this for me or I do it for them and it's not something every town that has notaries are required to do.

I live by a motto too: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

Reply by BrendaTx on 4/2/06 10:46am
Msg #110389

Re: Pamela...->for-> FlaMac

**As well as Ole Timer's who will lead you astray because they want you to fail. **

Frances, I would very much appreciate you giving out a post # or more concrete info on this person who is leading new people astray to failure. That was a disturbing comment. Who would do something like that? Do Tell! While there may be grouchiness, there seems to be a a healthy respect for the truth...in fact honesty has gotten some of us already on that black list.

I really think that if someone is telling phony-baloney on NR, they'll get picked apart for it. I am having a hard time thinking about me reading bogus info from an "old timer" and keeping my thoughts to myself...

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 2:25pm
Msg #110405

FlaMac! THANK YOU!

Hello!

Thank You Very Much for Your reply! You are absolutely correct!
I look forward to hearing from you again!

May God Bless!

Pam

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 4/2/06 12:53pm
Msg #110398

Re:

I have attempted to place rhyme or reason to some of the responses on this board by many posters, it may not be worth your time, trouble or efforts.
There are many intelligent answers posted on NotRot, plenty OT nonsense, those who must post 24-7 (perhaps a stage for these folks), it can be entertaining at times and it can also wear on you. DON'T ALLOW IT TO WEAR YOU DOWN, ignore those that choose to personally attack another.
Ever remember being left out at school, the third or fifth wheel in a group, having the feeling no one liked you? It hurts and shame on those that seem to take such pleasure in bashing others. I have three words for you "Consider the Source" and let it go. Life goes on and it is about so much more then what happens on a message board.
My 2 cents will most likely be attacked as well but you know I'm feeling especially strong today and it's one more beautiful day in paradise prior to the arrival of yet one more snow storm "gads in April"..........I'm ready to garden, open every window in the house to the hummmm of birds and lets not forget going barefoot......

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 2:40pm
Msg #110409

LkArrowhd/CA It's A Nice Day!

LkArroowhd!

It's turned out to be a Nice Day (so far) in "Sunny" Southern California! My favorite seasons are summer and fall. I do not like the rain at all (didn't mean to rhyme "smile"! Must be Beautiful where you are. The last time I visited your area, was about two years ago!

And, Your advice is well worth more than 2 cents!

And I do agree!

I Thank You Very Much!

Have a Blessed Day!

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 4/2/06 3:28pm
Msg #110418

Re: LkArrowhd/CA To Pamela

Where are you located in CA? Well, you should force yourself to head up this way again sometime in the future, with last's year rain/snow and now this year's rain as well as snow the trees are more beautiful then ever. The bark beetle in a thing of the past, our trees are once again producing pine cones and huge ones at that. Daffodils were sprouting from the ground just before this last snow and speaking of daffodils have you had the pleasure of seeing the endless fields of Daffodils off 330, if you haven't do have a look see it will take your breath away. If you head up this way, do stop by, my door is always open (click on link for phone #), however we are expecting a big storm late Monday/Tuesday, my thinking is this will be the last one and then winter be gone. However I do enjoy all the seasons here....

Reply by MichiganAl on 4/2/06 1:40pm
Msg #110400

It's posts like this that just perpetuate the nonsense.

If you have a problem with a particular post then address it at that time. A blanket plea like this is just going to rile up people who are here every day giving their time and expertise only to find that it's not good enough for some. Lazy questions get cranky answers. Questions that show you haven't even read page one of your state manual get cranky answers. Questions that show you haven't given a single minute of thought to how you're going to market yourself get cranky answers. Questions that show you haven't even bothered to look at the list right here on this board that has 200 companies to start contacting get cranky answers. An air of entitlement gets a cranky answer.

This is not a union, and this is not an office where you mentor a subordinate to someday replace you. We're your competition. A pharmaceutical rep doesn't go to their competition and say, "hey, how are you getting that doctor to use your drug over mine? Show me." A restaurant owner doesn't walk across the street to another restaurant and say "why is everyone eating here instead of at my place? Tell me what I'm doing wrong."

We have no obligation to anyone, but we're here trying to help anyway. If someone needs to be mothered or nurtured, they have no business being self-employed. Someone wants my expertise, then they better not act like they are entitled to it and they need to show that they're not just looking for a handout.

It is what it is. Move on already.

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 2:17pm
Msg #110403

Michigan AL,

Al,

It seems to me that, you're having an Excedrin Life!

We "newbies" are here and we are not going anywhere!

If all people thought like you, there would be no training of interns anywhere! Medical schools would be empty as well as law schools! Who would train future teachers, if the experienced teachers thought "Wow, these 'newbies' are our competition"?

Because no matter what the field or profession, a "newbie" is a "newbie" is a "newbie"!
Someone, somewhere has to correctly train them!

And yes, companies do research their competition. It's called MARKET RESEARCH!!!

Pam

Reply by CaliNotary on 4/2/06 2:33pm
Msg #110406

Re: Michigan AL,

"And yes, companies do research their competition. It's called MARKET RESEARCH!!!"

And market research does not consist of going directly to the competition and asking them how to do the most basic elements of the job.

Quit telling us how to post. If you don't like it, get the f*** out of here. We post however we want to post, deal with it toots.

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 2:53pm
Msg #110411

CaliNotary! Here's to You!

When was the last time YOU took a marketing class? Get Real!

Well, I and the miliions and billions and zillions of other new notaries are here to stay!

Yep! We are ALL here, right on this board! AND We aren't going anywhere!

Can you say $5.00 (five dollars) for a piggyback?

Just did a research on the word "Nincompoop", and your name popped-up!

lol,

Pam

Reply by M_Gall_CA on 4/2/06 3:10pm
Msg #110416

Re: CaliNotary! Here's to You!

Pam - There is a HUGE difference between an intern and a resident, let alone a "board certified" physician. There is also a difference between a notary class attendee and a practicing Notary. :-). If the "newbies" were awake during their classes and did the "suggested" reading after class .........

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 3:49pm
Msg #110422

M Gall CA!

Good Afternoon!

Thank You for replying.

Yes, I understand that there is a difference. However, the "board certified" physican had to start somewhere! There had to be experience doctors to teach this person.

After reviewing several of the replies, I received in my posts, it appears that the long-time, experience notaries are literally afraid of losing their businesses to the "newbies".
They look at us as competition!

Because of this lack of mentoring, there are "newbies" completing loan signings, to the "best of their (limited) knowledge"! Yet, experienced notaries will post on the board, about having to correct a "newbie's" signing or how bad a "newbie" performed. But yet, do not want to help a "newbie" because of the competition mentality.

I have just about every notarial book there is. Yet, there is nothing like being taught
"one on one" with a "live' person!

Oh! And the paid mentorships which are available, are very expensive!

Brenda Tx replied in her post how she had mentored a "newbie" (who also became her friend). I think that this is Great! This is the prime example of professionalism at its best!

Take Care!

Pam

Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 4/2/06 6:14pm
Msg #110459

Re: M Gall CA!

Pam, Angelina also posted how a newbie she mentored called repeatedly during a signing a never once said thank you. Rather, it was something to the effect of "If I have a question, I figure I'd just call you." (I'm paraphrasing. You can search the post later). We're not in a union and just because you are, it doesn't me we need to help anyone. If a notary chooses to help someone, then that is their "OPTION." It is NOT A REQUIREMENT!

*I have just about every notarial book there is.* Well, owning all of these books doesn't help any if you never opened the book to read the pages since its plain to everyone you lack the basic understanding of the industry and keep repeating your mantra that you are here to stay. We'll see about that.

Reply by SueW/Tn on 4/2/06 3:19pm
Msg #110417

Pam...to an extent I agree with you however....

Cali is also correct in that no one has the market on forum posts. I have been reading (not always contributing) this board for nearly a year and I would say 99% of my questions have already been answered in one way or another and I'm not the one asking. I post only when something really "gets to me" and this thread has done just that. Yes some may be afraid of competition but you've got to realize that in some areas, particularly So. California, there are 3,000 SA's in less than 30 square miles, that's a problem for anyone, including you. Alot of what is said here about bad signings, messy houses, cranky borrowers and SS companies that do not pay....I haven't seen as yet. Do I think those stories are written to make me think twice about my profession? nah...I think they are incidents that SA's experience and they're sharing "what could happen". IF you have your business plan in place, IF you know your states notary laws backwards and forwards, IF you have the dedication and will to be successful then you will succeed. IF you are lazy, IF you follow some advice (and I must say I'm in total agreement on some of the statements made about some of the most offensive and poor advice I've ever seen), IF you think that someone is being rude because they are a bit abrupt, you're going to have some future problems because this business is all about how well you can function under fire and stress. You're a one person business where timelines are important but no one will seem to realize that except you. IF you can't get along with your peers it's going to be extra difficult to get along with those that don't give a hoot about what it is you're trying to do in order to "get that loan closed". Give it some time Pam and remember this is a service business based on people. A good listener will make a fabulous Signing Agent.

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:42pm
Msg #110430

SueW/Tn!

Good Afternoon!

What started these posts, was a message left on the "other" board yesterday by a "newbie".
I responded and from their everything just literally flowed over onto this board!

An experience notary replying to educate a "newbie" is always good. However, there is no need for the swearing, name calling and other expletives!

I've worked for many years in the social services field and have dealt with many a personality. The mean-spirited and/or hostile notaries on this board would certainly be assigned to an anger mangement class, if I had anything to do with it!

I do Thank You Very Much for your replying and for the information!

Have a Blessed Day!

Pam

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 4/2/06 7:54pm
Msg #110472

Don't Spread It Around

HEY PAM. If something starts on another board, LEAVE IT THERE. I don't give a rats rear end what happened there the only outcome of you bringing it here is the destroying of your own credibility. My gosh your worse than a jr. high school girl. You can take your anger management class comment and stick it. Your all upity about Cali and you know what if you had half of his knowledge you'd be out doing signings instead of being a board virus. What an attention hog.

Reply by CaliNotary on 4/3/06 12:09am
Msg #110480

Re: CaliNotary! Here's to You!

"When was the last time YOU took a marketing class? Get Real!"

I guess that would have been 1996, when I got my bachelor's degree in Business Administration with a concentration in marketing.

Judging by the posts that you're stupidly linking to your profile on this site, I'm guessing it's been a little bit longer since you've had one. But hey, since you pretty much ARE my direct competition (we're about 30 minutes apart) by all means keep it up. Not that I'm remotely afraid of competing for business with you, but it's always nice to see another one dig their own grave like you're doing here.

Reply by MichiganAl on 4/2/06 3:41pm
Msg #110421

You really don't read very well

Did anyone say they didn't want newbies here? Thank God most of them show more gratitude and have a better understanding of how to get help than you do. Who said anything about market research? Market research has nothing to do with your astonishing sense of entitlement. Who said interns shouldn't be trained and lawyers shouldn't be trained and teachers shouldn't be trained? Are you so dense that you don't understand the difference between job training and demanding that your competition train you?

Let's use your example. A new teacher goes to another teacher and says, "I don't know what to teach in my class, how to handle my students, or where to start. Show me what to do." Another new teacher says "Here's what I've set out for my curriculum, here's my planner, here's what I've done to this point. Can you give me your input and thoughts?" You honestly do not see the distinction we're trying to make, do you? Truly frightening. No one, absolutely no one, is saying don't help newbies. But we will decide who we help based on how you choose to approach us. And I (along with many other successful signing agents I suspect) have made my decision about you. But don't worry. FlaMac, the Maven of Misinformation, will be your mentor. Good luck with that.

Oh, and may God bless.

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:09pm
Msg #110423

Michigan Al!

"Market research has nothing to do with your astonishing sense of entitlement". What are you talking about? What have I asked to state that I wanted any type of entitlement?

In any job and/or career field, it is always the experienced person who teach the novice.
If not, how would they learn? If you are experienced and excellent in your field, the competition would not bother you!

Early in my college career I was in the teaching program. And Yes, the senior teachers had no problems whatsoever, in answering all and any type of questions. Nothing was left out. They did not worry about competition. And Yes, they showed you examples of their curriculum etc. . .

And no, I did not finish the teaching program. I went into social work. . .(Which is what I did for many years. Now I am starting in the loan signing field.)

You can chose to whomever, you want to assist, here on this board and in any areas of your life. That's your choice, that's your world!

However, I have never had a problem mentoring others (in my field) and have never worried about competition!


Take Care!

Reply by patricia on 4/2/06 4:29pm
Msg #110427

Re: Michigan Al!

perhaps the fact that you have been a government worker is part of your feeling that it is
part of our job to help train you. Of course in a government office you can go to your peers
to get answers to question, that is not a requirement of "independent contractors".
We handle this situation as we see fit. Also as a social worker you are helping people
who cannot or will not do things for themselves, we do not operate that way.

Reply by MichiganAl on 4/2/06 5:24pm
Msg #110447

You've never had a problem mentoring others?

Let's see. You failed to finish your teaching program, didn't cut it as a social worker, and apparently didn't get far with your real estate license. I'm thinking you should probably pass on mentoring anyone. LOL!

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 5:55pm
Msg #110457

MichiganAL

For your information,

1.) I decided that I could help more people in the social services field.
2.) I worked almost two decades in the profession. Due to a work injury I was forced to leave.
3.) I currently have a house for sale as we speak!

THANK YOU!

Reply by Korey Humphreys on 4/2/06 4:19pm
Msg #110424

What the heck are you talking about Pamela?

"We "newbies" are here and we are not going anywhere!"


Where the hell are the other newbies? You're making it sound like your god's gift to newbies. Where is your "army of newbies"? I see you standing alone and other "newbies" keeping out of this nonsense.

I am very shocked that you made the comment earlier about the "old timers" trying to screw the newbies over (not your words, but my interpretation). Where do you see that?

In regards to Sue (Lakearrowhead), I don't consider her a "newbie" she seems very well versed in her job as a signing agent. Again, wheres your newbies Pamela?

You're turning yourself into the new JudyinLA (aka Judy Smart). Why create havock and "enemies" on this forum?

Take the advice above: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

Now, BLESS YOU!

Reply by Pamela on 4/2/06 4:52pm
Msg #110431

Korey Humphreys

First of all, you are late in the picture and don't know what's going on!

These posts were started yesterday by "newbies" on the "other board"and continued onto here today.

If you go back to yesterdays messages on both boards, and read them thoroughly, then you can see how I became involved!

Also, I never stated that Sue (Lakearrowhead) was a "newbie".

Plus with ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS, here on this board and in real life, I think that you should keep your nose out of this!

Pam

Reply by Korey Humphreys on 4/2/06 4:57pm
Msg #110432

Annoying Pamela

What problems do I have here on this board or in real life? No problems exist. If you're referring to the court case, that problem is already done and over with. It was already taken care of and dropped by the DA.

The only problem I have now is trying to determine how I should spend the money when we reach a settlement. The case was determined frivoulous and lacked merit. Therefore, we have grounds to sue (for which we've already filed).

Please, oh please tell me what problems I have in my real life?

Reply by patricia on 4/2/06 4:21pm
Msg #110425

Re: training "newbies"

certainly you realize that medical school training is very expensive. Teachers are not trained
by experienced teachers, they go to college. The name "newbie" is really stupid sounding and it is not part of out job to train anyone at all. And you expect this to be free and served
up on a silver platter.

Reply by Sign/SealCO on 4/2/06 10:01pm
Msg #110474

Re: Pamela

"We "newbies" are here and we are not going anywhere!"

you aren't the first newbie to come forth and say something similar.

after six weeks to two months you will be gone like newbies before you, unfortunately to be replaced by other NNA graduates and the cycle will begin once again