Posted by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 5:13pm
Msg #136535

OT - I'm not an activist but this makes me want to

boycott Chinese products. China clubs 50,000 dogs to death - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14139027/

Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/1/06 5:57pm
Msg #136544

Will you also boycott American made products because we slaughter cows? Chickens(Mmm...Popeyes)? Will you boycott Red Lobster and the Cheddar Biscuits cuz we slaughter fish, crab, lobster, and crustations? In some countries and in this case China, certain breeds of dogs are bred and raised and slaughtered for their meat. Many cultures view this as taboo and dogs as unclean. The lowest of the low.

A little food for thought. No pun intended.

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 6:04pm
Msg #136548

In America we view dogs as pets or "man's best fiiend"

Would you beat your best friend to death! I don't have a cow, lobster (I love Red Lobster), chickens or cheddar biscuits as pets.

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 6:05pm
Msg #136549

oops....spelling error - (friend) n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 10:07am
Msg #136813

Re: oops....spelling error - (friend) MB-AZ

Sometimes my dogs can be fiends. It's okay. You were right the first time.

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/1/06 6:12pm
Msg #136552

Really? I used to have a cheddar biscuit as a pet.

Easy to take care of, except when he left little cheddar droppings all over the floor. What are you laughing at? Admit it, anyone over 35 used to have a pet rock.

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 6:18pm
Msg #136553

Re: Really? I used to have a cheddar biscuit as a pet.

I'm over 35 and never had a pet rock! But I'm a junk food junkie and have had my share of chedder biscuits. I use the canned air to blow them out of the keyboard.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 8/1/06 6:35pm
Msg #136557

Re: Big Al wasn't there also a leash with no dog in it? n/m

Reply by Poppy on 8/1/06 7:27pm
Msg #136566

Chickens are pets!

When I was a kid we had chickens for pets and my baby brother always insisted Betsy the cow was his best friend at least until she ran away.... (wink, wink)
Humm, come to think of it we used to have chicken dinners quite often..... Yikes I hope I'm not going to bumpus! ;-)

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 8/1/06 8:00pm
Msg #136581

Re: Chickens are pets! Poppy my sister had a pet duck we

called Quack Quack, and we lived on a farm it was not unusal to have these chickens for dinner every Sunday.....I prepared that chicken (if you get my drift) but I do find the dogs in China a little hard to swallow and absolutely no pun intended.....I love my animals and I understand others have different cultures but gee wizz

Reply by Poppy on 8/1/06 9:32pm
Msg #136591

Re: Chickens are pets! Poppy my sister had a pet duck we

Yes, the whole dog thing is a difficult concept. That's too funny we had to prepare ;-) the chickens too. Quack, Quack, I love it!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 9:59pm
Msg #136598

MB you're so right in your outrage

It's hideous. Makes me sick.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 9:53pm
Msg #136597

More political crap from Jahari

shrouded in a OT topic that would normally bring people together in agreement.

***Will you also boycott American made products because we slaughter cows? Chickens(Mmm...Popeyes)? Will you boycott Red Lobster and the Cheddar Biscuits cuz we slaughter fish, crab, lobster, and crustations?***

Um...let me think about this for a nano second...no.

Will I boycott Chinese products? Maybe.

See the difference is, we live in the United States, Jahari as you do. In the United States, we love our dogs. They become our "children" and we humanize them, even Cesar Millan agrees so.

You're post is suggesting we should "re-think" that response because other countries have a different perspective. But, we are NOT another country, we are America.

I have a better idea...I suggest that you should move to another country. You'd be happier.

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/1/06 10:01pm
Msg #136600

Ditto, nuff said, JJ! You f*&^er, you. n/m

Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/3/06 9:27am
Msg #136802

Taking the gloves off...

TitleGal, I've really had enough of this. Nothing in my post was political. You made it such. I only asked if this person would boycott American made products because we do to cattle what they do to dogs. This post just goes to show how shallow, ignorant and small your world truly is. You have nothing valid to bring to an intelligent discussion be it about animal cruelty, politics, or the Yankees game the other night. You pointed out the obvious that we both live in the United States. However what you refuse to understand is that we are a part of a much larger world beyond our shores and there are lots of things that happen in other cultures that people like you cannot and will not understand. You would never entertain the idea of asking a person "Why they do this in their culture?"
Here in America, Dogs are our pets. In China, they are bred and raised to be food. In India they are seen as unclean. In the Muslim world they see pigs and other cloven hooved animals as evil and unclean, yet you go to any IHOP here in the western world, you can get the Hungryman special with Bacon, Ham, and Sausage.
Once again, you have demostrated how great you are at cutting and pasting and how truly incapable you are of thinking beyond the end of your nose. Time after time, you demonize my character, my name, and taint my point of view by labeling me and dismissing me to another country. One thing I will never do is dismiss you to another country and promise you you'd be happier there because this is your home as it is mine. I dont take this $#!@ from anyone and I outright refuse to take it from you.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 10:24am
Msg #136819

Re: Taking the gloves off...

Anything that even remotely seems as if it rationalizes it might be okay to club dogs, which is what came out in the message about us killings cows to eat.

Sorry Jahari, but this is the truth. I'd say that 75% of the readers here are dog owners.

As you know, Jahari, I have a saying that comes from the Bible. "You don't throw pearls before swine."

From bartlesby.com - to explain more succinctly than I can: >>Do not waste good things on people who will not appreciate them. This proverb is adapted from a saying of Jesus from the Gospels, “Cast not pearls before swine.” Jesus appears to be warning his disciples to preach only before receptive audiences.<< This is also my interpretation of that passage.

Now, before everyone gets nutty about me calling "us" swine, hear me out.

What evolves in the head of a poster may be the prettiest pearl ever to that poster.

However, if you KNOW you are going to be throwing that "pearl" before people who WILL NOT appreciate it or receive it respectfully, then expect them (pigs) to trample your pearls. Don't get all huffy when you get drawn and quartered for it. It's your choice to cause more argument.

*I* am definitely one of the pigs here.

It's your choice to get a barrage of insult as a result of it. If you do not care if you get insulted, well...keep on posting inflammatory "food for thought."

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 10:25am
Msg #136821

Re: Taking the gloves off...>>>correction<<<

**Anything that even remotely seems as if it rationalizes it might be okay to club dogs, which is what came out in the message about us killings cows to eat, >>>will be received with anger.<<<

Sorry Jahari, but this is the truth. I'd say that 75% of the readers here are dog owners.

As you know, Jahari, I have a saying that comes from the Bible. "You don't throw pearls before swine."

From bartlesby.com - to explain more succinctly than I can: >>Do not waste good things on people who will not appreciate them. This proverb is adapted from a saying of Jesus from the Gospels, “Cast not pearls before swine.” Jesus appears to be warning his disciples to preach only before receptive audiences.<< This is also my interpretation of that passage.

Now, before everyone gets nutty about me calling "us" swine, hear me out.

What evolves in the head of a poster may be the prettiest pearl ever to that poster.

However, if you KNOW you are going to be throwing that "pearl" before people who WILL NOT appreciate it or receive it respectfully, then expect them (pigs) to trample your pearls. Don't get all huffy when you get drawn and quartered for it. It's your choice to cause more argument.

*I* am definitely one of the pigs here.

It's your choice to get a barrage of insult as a result of it. If you do not care if you get insulted, well...keep on posting inflammatory "food for thought."

Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/3/06 3:03pm
Msg #136846

Re: Taking the gloves off...

Well said and I see your point Brenda. Those that do not wish to hear what you have to say, move on to the next town. We've spoken about this before and I guess I should move on to the next town on this one.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 4:58pm
Msg #136878

Re: Taking the gloves off...Jahari -

All I am saying is that you cannot expect to garner consensus. I am not trying to move you out!

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 8/1/06 11:42pm
Msg #136630

Another stupid remark by Jahari and now bestcal

I love my dogs. They are a part of our family. In fact we care so much that we vacinate them against rabies. It makes no sence that a country that eats dogs doesn't vacinate them so there isn't an issue with rabies. It's frigging ignorant. You don't treat a source of food like garbage.

How do you kill a chicken? You whack it's block off. It's pretty quick. How is a cow slaughtered? It's throat is slit and it's shot in the head. It's pretty quick. Lobster is boiled. It's pretty quick. Fish, lop off their heads. Quick. Crab and crustaceans, a stab through the brain, immediate. Cheddar biscuts that's just idiotic.

But we are talking about dogs being beaten to death. Have these idiots ever heard of a bullet. Beating to death anything is just a way for some sicko to get their rocks off. Good grief if a rabid skunk enters my yard I'm shooting it and protecting my property.

I have no problem eating a dog if it was all there was to eat. But it isn't. We have other food sources. It's a shame the Chinesse haven't figured out how usefull dogs are. Then they wouldn't be eating them. Chalk up 2 marks on the ignorant chart for the Chinese, 9 for Jahari (7 animals, 1 biscut, and the pun that was intended no doubt about it), and 1 for bestcal (even a vegan knows that beating anything to death is sick).

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/2/06 9:28am
Msg #136662

Jahari, I strongly disagree with your logic. Period. It's not food for thought in my world.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 10:01pm
Msg #136599

I just read the article. F***ing bastards. How inhumane and hideous. Who could do that?

Reply by bestcal on 8/1/06 10:12pm
Msg #136601

Re: OT - I'm not an activist but this makes -Titlegal

Unless you are vegan,you are a hypocrite.It does not mean because you love dogs,others are not allowed to eat them.Some people love cows,but most of us eat them.Ever thought of those peoples feelings?What about fish,guinea pigs etc.etc.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 10:23pm
Msg #136602

Re: OT - I'm not an activist but this makes -Titlegal

***Some people love cows,but most of us eat them.***

You just answered your own query. "Some" people love them yet "most of us" eat them.

Another lightning bolt of original thought. Oh yeah, I just read an article in the paper about a cow that saved it's owner from a fire.

No...better, I just read an article about "Seeing Eye Cows". Yep. Now Cows are a human's best friend...especially a blind human. Cow training camps are all over the US for blind people. The German Shepards are out. Cows are In.

Even the police dept. is on it. No longer will we have K9 units...we will have Cow Units. The cow goes in the back seat and runs down a criminal without thought to their own cud-chewing life.

Yeah. Nice post - so well thought out.

Reply by bestcal on 8/1/06 10:33pm
Msg #136603

Re: OT - I'm not an activist but this makes -Titlegal

Titlegal I am sorry.You ARE vegan,so yes you have every right to criticize those Chinese for killing dogs to eat.You would NEVER eat something that had to be killed for your own benefit.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 10:45pm
Msg #136607

You should be sorry

Because you don't have the ability to discern and adopt your beliefs to reason.

I am not a "Vegan" in the politically correct sense. I am one in a sensible and reasonable way.

Reason says that a fisherman goes out to sea to catch fish for humans to eat. The same holds true for beef and poultry.

Reason also says that those animals that hold a higher place to their needs and ideals should also be regarded as such and treated differently.

Dogs, in this Country, are different. To support what the Chinese did in the original article is simply primitive.

Hey, here's an idea - I suggest you go to your local market and order 2 lbs of ground dog beef. Yeah. Double dare ya. Just please take a digital camera and post the reaction of the butcher.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 10:49pm
Msg #136609

And you bestcal would

NEVER accept a Seeing Eye Dog if you were suddenly blind?

Think about that for a second or two.

Reply by bestcal on 8/1/06 10:59pm
Msg #136611

Re: And you bestcal would-Titlegal

Freedom of speech!If Chinese choose to eat dogs,let them. They like turtles too!You keep eating cows.They can do whatever they want in their country.They are not doing it over here.So whatever other people want to do in their countries and if that is acceptable in their countries, that is their business. We are NOT the keepers of the world.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 11:00pm
Msg #136613

Bet me.

And you are a sick individual to stand up for this. I hope you never have need for Mans Best Friend.

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 10:59pm
Msg #136612

You go TitleGalCA! You are right on! n/m

Reply by Poppy on 8/1/06 10:42pm
Msg #136606

Re: OT - Holy Cow, what did I miss?

Yikes, what's happening here?

I think the best part about living in America "Land of the Free" is that we all get to draw our own lines in the sand.
Some of us think it's okay to eat chicken, some of us think it's horrible. We discuss and debate the issues hoping to sway an opinion or two, but in the end.

We are all FREE to draw our own lines and decide for ourselves what is right and what is not for us and only us... It's actually beautiful if you think about it...

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 10:57pm
Msg #136610

Bestcal- come on---they beat to death 50,000 dogs!

How can that be okay with anyone!

Reply by bestcal on 8/1/06 11:01pm
Msg #136614

Re: Bestcal- come on---they beat to death 50,000 dogs!MB

Thats their choice.People are dying in other countries every day.Women and children are being slaughtered every day!Ever gave them any thought?

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 11:04pm
Msg #136615

Re: Bestcal- come on---they beat to death 50,000 dogs!MB

Yes, everyday.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 11:04pm
Msg #136616

Of course you foolish person

but the article was about dogs being beaten to death, and documented via photo's and writing.

If you want to switch topics to the inhumane treatment of women and children, start another thread.

In the meantime, you've failed to make a point that has any validity.

Reply by MB_AZ on 8/1/06 11:11pm
Msg #136619

I'm signing off for the night and putting my two

Chihuahua's to bed and be thankful I live in America. And, if I feel like it I may just make BACON with my eggs tomorrow!

Reply by Poppy on 8/1/06 11:13pm
Msg #136620

Re: I'm signing off for the night and putting my two

Good Night MB,

And thanks bringing this to our attention!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/1/06 11:17pm
Msg #136621

Me too MB

And my one Chihuahua who's so precious.

As Poppy said, thanks.

Reply by Poppy on 8/1/06 11:08pm
Msg #136618

And it wasn't for food!

I think it would be poetic justice if the government officials who ordered this travisty were striken with rabies after eating their next meal....

Boycotts another great thing it's like voting only with your money...

Reply by hcampersFL on 8/1/06 11:51pm
Msg #136632

Re: OT - I'm not an activist but this makes -bestcal

You have stirred up the pot once again haven't you. I don't think you even believe the crap you spout. You like jerking peoples chain's. I've watched you do it before.

The difference between Dogs and other meat that we eat is tremendous. Cow's chickens and pigs that are raised to be used for food are treated humanly in this country. Oh yes some aren't and we will read about that on 20/20 at least once a year. But you don't hear of them being beaten with clubs before they are eaten do you?
To take the side of any country that supports this behavior is ludicrous. Just because this is a tradition in their country doesn't make it right. The mutilation of women in some country's by their own family members is appalling, because it is a tradition of that country does that make it okay?
You are an idiot.

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/2/06 12:22am
Msg #136637

Bev, I agree. Go home JJ. Stir your pot elsewhere. n/m

Reply by smssan on 8/2/06 9:19am
Msg #136661

Someone mentioned our American rights to free speech. Americans may find this offensive because of the way dogs are humanized. However, has anyone given thought to the idea that maybe in China dogs are just that- dogs. Think of what we call men when they stray a bit.... "that dirty dog". So in other cultures dogs are simply not viewed in the same light as Americans do.

This may simply be another example of America imposing its views on other countries. How dare them do something that we find offensive. What if everyone else were to boycott America everytime we do something they find offensive. I tremble at the thought.

Reply by Dave_CA on 8/2/06 10:07am
Msg #136682

You missed the point...

The outrage is about beating the dogs to death NOT about cultural food preferences.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 10:41am
Msg #136824

Re: You missed the point...Thank you Dave. n/m