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DOT Issues... Help!!!!
Posted by AngelinaAZ of ? on 6/8/05 2:26am Msg #43094
A while ago I had an issue with Fidelity because there were no spaces for initials on the DOT, so...as per my experience... no initials. The closing agent tells me to go back and ask the borrowers to initial, 'everything must be perfect'. We have a disagreement because I told her that I don't ask the borrowers to initial anything not marked or indicated in the instructions. She says that I am doing it wrong then.

So I call the Sec of State who says, yep... initial it.

So then in discussion I am told NOPE... NO WAY... only if the lender asks or there is a space.

I call the Sec of State again and they say, 'Well it's not mandatory in some situations ***what does that mean- some situations?*** but it is always a good idea."

So I quit doing it if there is no space for it and again... from the TC, a different one this time, where are the initials on the DOT? AHHHHHH!!!!! WHAT?????

So I call the Sec of State and ask again and the guys gets really rude and says... 'What do you do if you have to attach an Acknowledgement or Jurat to something." I say, feeling two years old, "I fill it out and fill out the reference info at the bottom and I seal it as well as emboss it to the original and I write *attached document bears embossment*."

He says, "Why do you embsoss it?"

I say "So that it cannot be attached to a different document"

He says,"Do you HAVE to emboss it?"

I say,"No but I do it to protect myself and the signer."

And he says, "And something as important as the deed to someone's house that is many pages long, you are just going to notarize that they signed THAT DOCUMENT when THAT DOCUMENT can so easily be altered if there are no initials-how could your notarization ever hold up if disputed?"

So then I ask, 'Well is it mandatory?'

He says, 'No but if you wouldn't just mail a loose cert to someone just because they asked you to... then you ought not to forget those initials.'

I feel like I am going nuts. I don't want to facilitate a bad situation for the borrowers, I don't want to tick off the lenders and I REALLY DON'T want to go back to the same place TWICE!

Why are we instructed to have borrowers ONLY initial multi-page docs that require notarization IF the lender instructs? Has anyone had a problem because they did get initials when not instructed?

Has this EVER happened to anyone else? Advice?

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 DOT Issues... Help!!!! - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 2:26am
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - Dellaca on 6/8/05 8:07am
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - Me Again! on 6/8/05 8:12am
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - janCA on 6/8/05 9:17am
 Re: Attorneys out there... - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 9:43am
 Re: Attorneys out there... -  PAW_Fl on 6/8/05 9:50am
 Re: Attorneys out there... - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 9:59am
 Re: Attorneys out there... -  PAW_Fl on 6/8/05 10:05am
 Re: Attorneys out there... - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 10:14am
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - jojo_MN on 6/8/05 9:48am
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - TN Notary on 6/8/05 9:48am
 Re: Confusing! - ColleenCA on 6/8/05 10:15am
 Re: Confusing! - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 10:26am
 Re: Confusing! -  PAW_Fl on 6/8/05 10:42am
 Re: Sorry PAW... clarification - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 10:59am
 Re: Confusing! - Jon on 6/8/05 10:44am
 Re: Confusing! - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 1:10pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Erna - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 1:29pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 1:34pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 1:42pm
 Re: see msg. 43158 regarding the margins n/m - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 1:46pm
 Erna.... - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 1:47pm
 Re: Sam....sure we can , but what is the point in that .... - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:10pm
 Re: Sam....sure we can , but what is the point in that .... -  CarolynCO on 6/8/05 2:23pm
 Re: Sam....sure we can , but what is the point in that .... - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:37pm
 I have a question? - hcampers/fl on 6/8/05 3:47pm
 Re: I have a question? - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:03pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 1:43pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:05pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam -  PAW_Fl on 6/8/05 2:12pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:16pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 2:25pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:31pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 2:33pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam -  CarolynCO on 6/8/05 2:32pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 2:35pm
 Re: Cali-I love your thinking on this! - ColleenCA on 6/8/05 2:39pm
 AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 2:52pm
 Re: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT -  CAtitlegal on 6/8/05 2:53pm
 TO PUT AN END TO THE ARGUMENT - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 3:02pm
 Re: TO PUT AN END TO THE ARGUMENT - Jon on 6/8/05 3:12pm
 Re: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - Jon on 6/8/05 2:56pm
 Re: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:00pm
 Re: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY the same - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 3:39pm
 Re: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY the same - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:48pm
 THE HORSE WON'T GET ANY DEADER - Anonymous on 6/8/05 3:51pm
 Re: THE HORSE WON'T GET ANY DEADER.......... - Jon on 6/8/05 4:12pm
 Re: THE HORSE WON'T GET ANY DEADER.......... - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:16pm
 Re: It's a Crap Shoot -  CarolynCO on 6/8/05 7:53pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:27pm
 Re: Confusing! - Jon on 6/8/05 2:41pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:54pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - Jon on 6/8/05 2:57pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:02pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - Jon on 6/8/05 3:06pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:12pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - Jon on 6/8/05 3:24pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:29pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 3:31pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - Jon on 6/8/05 3:36pm
 THE HORSE HAS EXPIRED/beaten to death....N/M - Anonymous on 6/8/05 3:40pm
 So who gets in trouble for animal abuse!!!!!!...... - Jon on 6/8/05 3:44pm
 Supposed to be ?????.....n/m - Jon on 6/8/05 3:45pm
 Probably Me! I've seen a lot of it lately! n/m - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 3:48pm
 Re: Probably Me! I've seen a lot of it lately! - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 4:05pm
 Re: Probably Me! I've seen a lot of it lately! - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 4:15pm
 Re: Angelina, tomorrow is another day, just keep :) n/m - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:22pm
 Re: You too Erna :) n/m - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 4:24pm
 It was a SHEEP!!! - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 5:27pm
 Re: ERNA - You are .... on 6/8/05 8:53pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:56pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - Anonymous on 6/8/05 5:52pm
 Re: Coward - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 6:02pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 5:06pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 5:15pm
 Re: Confusing! Jon - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 5:25pm
 Re: Get over your self Cali. - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 5:32pm
 Re: I repeat I gave my two cents for the benefit ... - Anonymous on 6/8/05 8:11pm
 Re: Confusing! - I AGREE w/ Sam - JanetK/CA on 6/9/05 9:36pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CarolynCO on 6/8/05 2:27pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:32pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam -  CarolynCO on 6/8/05 2:34pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 2:38pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 2:46pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - Jon on 6/8/05 2:48pm
 Whatever works -  CAtitlegal on 6/8/05 2:59pm
 Re: Whatever works /I agee CAtitlegal.........n/m - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:03pm
 AZ SOS - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 3:12pm
 Re: AZ SOS - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 3:25pm
 Re: Confusing! - I disagree w/ Sam - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 2:29pm
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 1:02pm
 Re: DOT Issues... Help!!!! in CA anyway - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 1:07pm
 No Chest Thumper...No arrogant Texan...No Hugh/Brenda ... - BrendaTx on 6/8/05 4:38pm
 Re: No Chest Thumper...No arrogant Texan...No Hugh/Brenda ... - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:40pm
 What helper? n/m - BrendaTx on 6/8/05 4:43pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:48pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - BrendaTx on 6/8/05 5:03pm
 Re: What helper? n/m- SPELLING Police - BrendaTx on 6/8/05 5:06pm
 Re: What helper? n/m- SPELLING Police - Anonymous on 6/8/05 8:21pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 5:07pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 5:20pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 5:30pm
 Re: What helper? n/m - CaliNotary on 6/8/05 6:46pm
 Re: get over your self Cali - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 6:48pm
 Re: Speaking of Newbies - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 5:53pm
 :) CARCASS OFF TO GLUE FACTORY! - Anonymous on 6/8/05 4:40pm
 Re: :) CARCASS OFF TO GLUE FACTORY! - ERNA_CA on 6/8/05 4:51pm
 Re: No Chest Thumper...No arrogant Texan...No Hugh/Brenda ... - SamIam_CA on 6/8/05 4:53pm
 Why........... - Julie-MI on 6/8/05 5:47pm
 Re: Why........... - AngelinaAZ on 6/8/05 6:02pm
 Re: Why........... - Julie-Mi on 6/8/05 6:19pm
 Re: DOT - Check the certification course handbook - Grammy824/NC on 6/8/05 9:11pm
 After an entire day... -  CAtitlegal on 6/8/05 10:02pm



 
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