Posted by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/15/10 9:12pm
Msg #349056

Problem with another Notary

So I went out to do a closing the a few months ago at a Bank, when I got their with the Docs a lady said I will take them, have a great day. I said NO, I am the notary hired to do this closing, I am not giving you "my" documents. She said, oh no I have a contract with the bank to do all closings, I called the company who said "No you are to do the closing". I told the bank manager that this lady was not authorized, she said "Oh she came in a few weeks ago with a letter from XXX company that said she is the ONLY one authorized, now give me those damn papers and called security". I secured the paperwork and called 911 as they were trying to take them off my person. When the police got their they called XXX company who said no this lady did a closing for us last week but Mr. Cartwright is to do this one, the bank refused and their customer walked out. The branch manager wanted me arrested for tresspassing, and stealing the loan documents from the title company. The police refused and that was the end of it.

So I go out to a private residence to do a closing, and found this same notary sitting at the table, she said before you come in give me the documents, you have been released from this closing, I called the lender who said, oh she called us and said that you could not make it, and that she was taking on all your work, that you would print the docs and give them to her and she would pay you a printing fee, we reassigned it to her. They said to "work it out with her" I again secured the documents on my person and explained to the client what was going on, this time they called the police to have her arrested for fraud, as they were told I was their closing agent.

Has anyone else had this issue? I have been contacted by a number of my regular providers who said that they were contacted by this Notary to say that I was arrested for "holding up the bank" and that I was not able to be a notary, nor did I do good work and threaten the clients. They wanted to know what was going on and a few have said that they will not send work to either of us now.

Any suggestions?

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 8/15/10 9:19pm
Msg #349057

OMG. She needs to be stopped! n/m

Reply by Teresa/FL on 8/15/10 9:20pm
Msg #349058

This sounds like harassment to me. Has she done this to anyone else or are you the only one?

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:04pm
Msg #349182

I only know of me.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/15/10 9:29pm
Msg #349061

Wow! Before the bank incident have you ever met this woman before?
First, I'd be contacting the SOS's office to file a complaint on this person then I would be contacting an attorney to file a libel and defamation of character suit.

Reply by Stamper_WI on 8/15/10 9:54pm
Msg #349063

Might want to contact the DA on the attempted fraud as well. If the hiring entity has website you access for doc's, you may want to change your password.
Keep us up to date on this.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/15/10 10:05pm
Msg #349065

Didn't think about that right off, but I'd sure be going after civil damages and her commission.

Reply by Notarylady on 8/17/10 8:54pm
Msg #349411

Shes messing with your lively hood and your ruptation and ability to operate your business. I'd sue seek any and all actions I could against her. What kind of person would even attempt to do such a thing and not expect problems.

Reply by Stamper_WI on 8/15/10 10:01pm
Msg #349064

Re slander and libel suit. You can show she has hurt your business.

Reply by MikeC/NY on 8/15/10 10:12pm
Msg #349068

First thing I'd like to know from the hiring party is WTH is going on - how is this person finding out about the assignments, and who authorized her to jump in and take over? If she's doing this with the full knowledge and consent of the hiring party, there's not a lot you can do other than not accept any more assignments from them (and refuse to turn over the documents you printed - she has no right to them). If they haven't authorized it, they need to get the situation sorted out; "work it out between you" is not a solution.

Either way, it's not fraud. Overly aggressive business practices on her part maybe, but not fraud...

Just a technical point:

"then I would be contacting an attorney to file a libel and defamation of character suit. "

It's slander, not libel. Libel is written, slander is verbal....

Reply by desktopfull on 8/15/10 10:54pm
Msg #349077

First of all after re-reading the OP, I'm wondering how would this person know who Patrick's clients are and when he is receiving closings from them in order to be at the appointment before him? Second, why would any company accept an explanation from a third party about one of their closings without contacting the person that they hired and reassign the closing to the third party? Sounds like we need to know the rest of the story, is this possibly a business partnership that went south. I hope Patrick responds to some of the questions raised and clarifies the situation more. Truly a shame that the borrower's are the ones that are subjected to this unprofessional childish behavior that prevented them getting their loan documents signed in a timely manner.


Okay it's slander, but it's also defamation of character when the woman did this: "...I have been contacted by a number of my regular providers who said that they were contacted by this Notary to say that I was arrested for "holding up the bank" and that I was not able to be a notary, nor did I do good work and threaten the clients." But doubtful that the companies would testify to the comments in court.

I wouldn't call this just an overly aggressive business practice: "I called the lender who said, oh she called us and said that you could not make it, and that she was taking on all your work, that you would print the docs and give them to her and she would pay you a printing fee, we reassigned it to her. They said to "work it out with her" I again secured the documents on my person and explained to the client what was going on, this time they called the police to have her arrested for fraud, as they were told I was their closing agent."

Reply by Mary Ellen Elmore on 8/16/10 6:21am
Msg #349094

How does she know what companies you work?

How did she know you would be at the bank for a closing or that particular residence?

Reply by James Dawson on 8/15/10 9:51pm
Msg #349062

Wow...hoe does she know when you have a signing request? That would be my question.

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/15/10 10:21pm
Msg #349070

Mine too, James

How does this woman know when Patrick has a signing request ? AND, without a confirmation (that has borrower's address & phone #), how is it that she shows up at the signing location? AND, how would she know who Patrick's clients are to even call them to say he robbed banks?

They say "the truth can be stranger than fiction"....but this story is just too bizarre.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 8/15/10 10:29pm
Msg #349072

First thing that pops into my mind is a Cease & Desist Order

Any "Notary Public" who would stoop to this level is not morally or ethically equipped to be Commissioned by any State.

Reply by Yoli/CA on 8/15/10 10:42pm
Msg #349075

Totally bizarre situation.

As others have asked, "how does she know about your calls?" Does she have access to your phone calls and/or your client base?

She must be reported for unethical practices, if nothing else.

Please do keep us posted.

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/15/10 11:08pm
Msg #349078

Story too farfetched...sounds made up

<<<So I went out to do a closing the a few months ago at a Bank, when I got their with the Docs a lady said I will take them, have a great day. I said NO, I am the notary hired to do this closing, I am not giving you "my" documents. She said, oh no I have a contract with the bank to do all closings,....>>>

If she's contracted to do all the closings and got there before you, Patrick, why didn't she have printed docs? Why was she waiting to take *your* docs?

<<<The branch manager wanted me arrested for tresspassing, and stealing the loan documents from the title company.>>>

You spoke to the hiring party, and supposedly the police spoke to them. Why then if the police spoke to them to verify your story, the bank manager now wants YOU arrested and not this woman?

<<<So I go out to a private residence to do a closing, and found this same notary sitting at the table, she said before you come in give me the documents, you have been released from this closing,....>>>

How did she know you had this closing, plus the time and place ? What Notary shows up to an EDOC signing with no docs in hand?

<<<I called the lender who said, oh she called us and said that you could not make it, and that she was taking on all your work, that you would print the docs and give them to her and she would pay you a printing fee, we reassigned it to her.>>>

What Notary takes on someone else's work, expecting the other person to print docs and show up to the appt just to hand over docs to her? Why isn't she using her own equipment to print and charging the hiring party a print fee? What hiring party would "re-assign" work without FIRST speaking directly to the Notary they initially hired to verify that the Notary, in fact, cannot do the job?

<<<I have been contacted by a number of my regular providers who said that they were contacted by this Notary to say that I was arrested for "holding up the bank" and that I was not able to be a notary, nor did I do good work and threaten the clients.>>>

No other Notary on this planet knows who my "regular providers" are.....How on earth would she know who your regular providers are?

<<<They wanted to know what was going on and a few have said that they will not send work to either of us now.>>>

If you have a stellar record with your "providers", your work speaks for itself and is its own defense against this woman's lies. Your post is too bizarre and farfetched to seem real........Another Notary showing up before you at your signings, demanding the docs you printed, then knowing "a number" of your regular providers to call them and slander you?

Fiction.......JMHO

Reply by Ali/IL on 8/15/10 11:12pm
Msg #349079

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

Sounds like an ex business partner or ex girlfriend? And, it happened a couple of months ago. If that had happened to me I would have come on here sooner to talk about it.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 3:58pm
Msg #349176

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

Never worked with anyone before, and not an ex girlfriend, been married for 10 years. See other post for more info.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/15/10 11:28pm
Msg #349080

I agree, pure fiction

Any one of these situations would be questionable enough, but all of them together? Give me a break.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:00pm
Msg #349177

Re: I agree, pure fiction

Sorry that you think it is fiction, you are not the victim here. 100% true and correct

Reply by Hugh Nations Signing Agents of Austin on 8/15/10 11:40pm
Msg #349084

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

This story has more holes in it than a hippie's jeans.

I have no idea why this guy is intent upon trying to pull the wool over the eyes of notaries all over the country, but that's what he's trying to do.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/15/10 11:46pm
Msg #349085

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned..??

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 8/16/10 12:01am
Msg #349087

Profile question

Do NY and PA have reciprocity agreements.... as in: can one person hold commissions in both states similtaneously?

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:01pm
Msg #349179

Re: Profile question

NO, I live in New York State, commissioned here, I rent an office in Pennsylvania due to how close I am to the NY/PA line, and am commissioned there as well.

Reply by Frank/NC on 8/16/10 9:25am
Msg #349116

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

Would you be willing to take a lie detector test?

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:00pm
Msg #349178

Re: Story too farfetched...sounds made up

Not pulling the wool over anyones eyes just trying to get some input and help!

Reply by Cari on 8/16/10 6:21pm
Msg #349222

sorry dude, wrong place for that it seems....good luck... n/m

Reply by Mary Ellen Elmore on 8/16/10 6:19am
Msg #349093

I would speaking to my attorney about this person, get copies of all the police reports, have my attorney take all legal actions possible & write letters to all the companies you work for even the ones she has caused you to loose work for, and I'd be reporting her to the SOS and County Clerk.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:02pm
Msg #349180

Thanks, I never thought of filing a report with SOS will do that.

Reply by MW/VA on 8/16/10 7:29am
Msg #349101

From what your story says, she's stealing your business. How she's getting the info is a big question--hacker???? I'd contact all the companies you're doing business with & alert them. I'd also report her to the SOS, and her commission should be pulled for misconduct. If you can document these events, there's a possibility of a civil suit.
Also, you might want to read over your profile & check it for spelling issues.
Keep us posted on the outcome.

Reply by Cari on 8/16/10 8:07am
Msg #349107

HOLY HELL! I'd report her to your state's SOS......

first and foremost as she is defrauding the public and abusing her commission among other things.

Then, I'd get a restraining order out on her.

But one question, do you know her personally? Or, have you worked with her before?

I'm just trying to figure out how would she even know about your closings?

Reply by HARRY_PA on 8/16/10 8:09am
Msg #349108

A great story, nonetheless. n/m

Reply by LindaP/OH on 8/16/10 8:19am
Msg #349111

Sooooo many holes in this posting!!! It almost sounds like the OP. and maybe a friend or two, were doing a little sipping and concocted whole this story. I would venture to guess there was a whole lot of laughter as they thought of each of these scenarios! Sorry if I have offended OP and this is all true, but you have to admit, ITS HARD TO BELIEVE!!!

Reply by Smitty/MI on 8/16/10 9:24am
Msg #349115

As other's have already stated, your story is evident of a prior business partner or girlfriend, bent on destroying your business and reputation. It is apparent that she has your email account information and password, therefore able to read your confirmations. I am sure that if this was something you were REALLY concerned about, you would not need to ask others for there opinion on how to handle this, you would have filed a police report asap.

Reply by Linda Juenger on 8/16/10 9:53am
Msg #349122

Notice how sometimes posters like this never come back

and answer any questions that are presented to them. They just disappear and we are left wondering what really did happen.

Reply by Frank/NC on 8/16/10 10:19am
Msg #349125

Re: Notice how sometimes posters like this never come back

Makes you wonder about the original question, especially this one.

Reply by James Dawson on 8/16/10 10:31am
Msg #349126

Re: Notice how sometimes posters like this never come back

I notice that too Linda.......fishin.....everyone bites but nobody get caught.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 3:57pm
Msg #349175

Re: Notice how sometimes posters like this never come back

I didnt go anyplace other than to other jobs. This only happens a few times, it is when the companies say "Our normal notary canclled on us can you do it" she must be their "normal" notary. I did talk to the police who said there was nothing that could be done. I never thought of contacting the SOS, I will do that!

Let me read the other posts and reply to them.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:08pm
Msg #349185

Re: Notice how sometimes posters like this never come back

Not that I dont come back, I have been working, besides being a Notary Signing Agent I also drive oversize load escort / pilot car and have been on the road.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:06pm
Msg #349184

I have no former business partners, and no ex's I have been married for 10 years, see other posts for info on how she must be getting info.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:03pm
Msg #349181

I could not belive it the first time it happened, either, but like I said these are two companies and both times they said that their "normal" notary backed out.... She must have been their "normal" notary.

Reply by MW/VA on 8/16/10 4:13pm
Msg #349186

Another possibility is that you have a company that is playing notaries against one another.
I might suggest the next time you get a call, ask them if they have assigned this to another notary. Also, I wouldn't hesitate to let them know there have been some signing conflicts between you & the other person (and I'd name them). She's obviously getting the names & documents from somewhere.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 4:51pm
Msg #349195

Thank you everyone for all the help. I have faxed a letter in regards to this to the SOS, and county clerk.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/16/10 4:36pm
Msg #349193

It appears to me that Patrick is a real NSA and was

not trolling.
Funny how everyone jumps to conclusions with a new, or infrequent poster,
who posts an unusual story or question, and then is not available to reply for a few hours .
I think that just about anyone here who has done this for a while could relate situtations ,
just as (or even wierder) wierd.
Seems clear that there was a error of omission and/or comission by the TC/SS.
Would suggest that Patrick send a detailed email to any of you regualr providers who were apparently contacted by this individual with derrogitory accusations regarding him.
Curious if the other NSA involved is a notroter.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/16/10 5:02pm
Msg #349201

He might be a real NSA, but I still think it's all made up

I'm having a hard time picture the police not tearing him a new one after he called 911 to report that the bank employee was trying to take paperwork from him. I'm having an even harder time picturing them sending officers rushing to the scene. I'm having an even harder time figuring out why anyone would have gone that route instead of simply packing up and walking out the door.

And c'mon, do you REALLY think there is a company out there who is going to take the word of a random phone caller who says she is taking over the signings, and not even check with the original notary, let alone call him to chew him out for farming out signings without their approval?

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/16/10 5:25pm
Msg #349213

Don't know about everyone else, but every time I

think that I have heard it all, something even wierder happens.
What would be his motivation to make something like this up?
Dox are finished printing,
I'm ottahere

Reply by jnew on 8/16/10 6:48pm
Msg #349226

Good story. We need more of these.

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/16/10 9:06pm
Msg #349251

I am a real NSA, I have no motive in making something like this up. As for the other notary being on NR I have not found her on here, and after talking to my lawyer tonight (finally called me back) he is going to take it from here.

Thanks everyone for your support, sorry I dont have time to sit on here any reply instantly.

Patrick

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/17/10 12:09pm
Msg #349309

I sent the SOS a letter via fax last night. When I look up licenses of NY notaries with the SOS I find there are three with that name. Two down by the city one about 45 minutes - 1 hour from me. I have also spoke again to the lenders, who stated that she use to do all the closings for them upstate, but they let her go, after she would take assignment, then not show up or call afterwords and say I printed but I cant go out now. As for the reason for calling police, is they were trying to open my case and remove paperwork, I needed to protect myself and the documents for privacy reasons.

Reply by Tish/CA on 8/17/10 12:42pm
Msg #349323

Patrick - this story is just so enormously crazy.I have no reason to doubt that it all happend just as you say but why didn't you just leave when the bank employees attempted to muscle the docs out of your briefcase? If I were met by some some crazed, indignant notary
who was demanding my documents I think I would have turned on my heels to the nearest exit and made some phone calls when I was out the door to find out what the heck was going on.
...and those poor clients. What they must have been thinking....and then the police getting involved...oh lordy!!

Reply by Patrick Cartwright Jr on 8/17/10 2:01pm
Msg #349347

Because their security told me that I could not leave without giving up the documents. As a former NYS Peace Officer, I knew this was being "detained" on illegal grounds. If it is to ever go this way again my attorney has advised leave, lock my doors of car, and make an immediate report to SOS.