Posted by Ray Lewis on 12/5/03 8:03pm
Msg #362

Victory Notary

To Whom It May Concern,

This is a public notice to all notaries’ owed money by Victory Notary.
Effective December 1, 2003, Victory R&R Enterprises, Inc. has been dissolved. All DBA's will no longer be attached to said Corporation. The DBA's are as follows: Victory Notary Association and Victory Tan. The Board of Victory R&R Enterprises, Inc, has severed any and all ties with any DBA.

All debts owed any individual by either DBA will be charged off as a bad debt in the bankruptcy proceedings.

At no time, now or in the future, will any Victory R&R Enterprises, Inc. DBA resurface under another name. Any and all business dealing with Notaries or Tanning will not be conducted by any board member of said corporation.

The rumor Victory Notary will resurface, as OMNI Signings is false. The building has been subleased to OMNI Mortgage and in no way has any ties to any board member of Victory R&R Enterprises, Inc.

Victory Notary was a business and failed for various reasons. At no time did any member of the board misrepresent or try in any way to deceive notaries out of any monies do to them. Rumors and half-truths have been told about board members on various notary boards.
One of the board members, Ray Lewis has been "trashed" on these sites.

Let it be known to all who will listen!
Mr. Lewis bought his home using the same financing as anyone else who buys a home, "with his credit, not cash".
He also traded in his current family vehicle for a mini van. He did not pay cash!

At no time in Victory R&R Enterprises, Inc. or either DBA history has any employee been refused their earned compensation. The main reason a lot of Notaries have went without being compensated was to make sure we paid our employees before we had to close the doors.

The ex-employee who told such lies did so because she was fired and was refused unemployment by the state.

We all at Victory were sorry to have caused any Notary heartache. Most Title Companies are being kind enough to reimburse the Notaries for payment. We also appreciate their cooperation.

We hope you all have a blessed day.

Reply by Tina_MA on 12/5/03 10:44pm
Msg #365

I'm curious (not trying to be sarcastic) why it was important to pay your employees but not the notaries?

I've seen posts where notaries are owed in excess of $500.00. That's quite a lot of time, gas, wear and tear on the car, etc. etc. That also means that the notaries turned down paying signings from other companies.

99% of notaries do not have any benefits (health, dental, vacation, sick time, retirement, etc.) but you felt that it was more important to pay your employees.

Is it because you actually see your employees everyday -- one never sees a notary, so therefore we're just faceless people that you need not worry about?

While I am not owed money by your company, I am owed money by some other companies. I need my money to pay my bills, to make certain that my family has a roof over our heads, that we have food, heat, electricity, and that all my office machines are kept in good running order so that I can continue to take signings.

I find it deplorable that your post so easily dismisses the fact that notaries were not paid in lieu of paying the faces you see everyday, even though many have been owed money from your company for months.

And how do you explain the fact that your company continued to give signings to notaries knowing that you would not be able to pay them?

Reply by Integra_Sign on 12/6/03 1:21am
Msg #368

Sir, it would have been better, perhaps, if you had not responded. The laborers are always worthy of their hire. To cheapen that concept the way you have, does not speak well of the business ethics that you would have others to believe you employed. In fact, it simply says that you didn't give a hoot about no one but those whom you could see, as another writer has indicated.

Whomever from your company, though now defunct, entered into contractural agreement for services to be rendered. Your company became obligated to pay! In fact, your company is still obligated to pay! Seeking protection behind bankruptcy laws does rid you of the obligation. It simply means that the law recognizes that you are unable to pay, for whatever reason, and they have shielded you to preclude other possible action.

However, you know that you owe. And you know that, those persons or entities that you owe are deserving of their money. They performed services for your company, and they performed them in advance of being paid. You can't cheapen that! Even though you will never pay them. Ethically and morally, you still owe, because it's a just debt. And as for taking care of your employees first, well, it's a sure thing that their attitudes would have perhaps convinced you to pay, given the physical proximity. But it is a good thing that the companies who used your referral service was willing to preserve their "good name!" However, your ethics leave much to be desired.

However, I do wish you much success in your future endeavors, and I hope that your recent experience has allowed you and your affiliates to grow from them. But "be it known" also, that lightening will not strike in the same place twice!

May His peace rest upon you continually.

Reply by Howy on 12/6/03 10:47am
Msg #373

With all due respect, are you kidding?

Do you think Lewis or his minions give a, pardon my french, fece, about what we think or write?

You are blowing smoke into the wind, and this 'May his peace..' thing you sign off with almost makes me regurgitate. I am sure you mean well, but you should think about using your literate rhetoric on something more worthwhile.

Reply by Integra_Sign on 12/6/03 11:04am
Msg #374

No Sir, I don't believe that my rhetoric means a hoot, but there is hope. The chances of this person or entity caring about these posts in the least, are remote, far removed, if not at all. But everyone makes mistakes. Whether we admit it or not, we "all" make mistakes. Now, I do believe in the law of "reciprocity" as well as "cause and affect." The point is this; he may have gotten by, but, by no means will he get away! Somewhere down life's highway, he will be recompensed, and that's a given. However, in the interim, there is no point of us attempting to speed it up, in advance of its appointed time. And when that time comes, he'll need someone to lean on, and that person may not be there physically. Because if he would depend on you or I to be there, he would be in a seriously sad state of affairs. You feel me?

Reply by Howy on 12/6/03 11:26am
Msg #375

Its 'Cause and EFFECT' not 'Cause and AFFECT' - but nice try.

Reply by Howy on 12/6/03 11:28am
Msg #376

OK OK - you way is right too.

Reply by Integra_Sign on 12/6/03 8:05pm
Msg #381

Yeahhh, that's the one! ;)

Reply by Anonymous on 12/8/03 2:54pm
Msg #391

what is the case # for the bankruptcy, because i called and they said they had nothing for that company

Reply by jason kidd on 12/8/03 3:25pm
Msg #393

Omni Mortgage is a Mortgage broker located in Anderson Indiana We were incorporated in 2/2001. We are a mortgage broker only, we are not associated nor have ever been associated with Victory Notary or Omni Signings. I became aware of this possible connection from a phone call from a notary looking for Ray Lewis in connection with the name of Omni Signings. Unfortunatley it looks like these people took alot of honest people on a bad ride. I just wanted to set the record straight Omni Mortgage takes it's reputation within the lending community very strongly.
Jon Lamey
President

Reply by Tina Marie on 12/12/03 10:21pm
Msg #420

Thought I would share this with you. This is the response I got from the Indiana Attorney Generals office. I also sent a complaint to the Indiana Secretary of State, who has jurisdiction of Notaries, but haven't gotten a response yet. It saddens and angers me that we as a group have no support whatsoever from the National Notary Association, States Attorneys, etc.. They have to be aware of what is happening out here! Yet, I haven't heard or read anything. We need to get what has been happening, out there. We need a spokesperson who can represent us as group and send letters, e-mails to newspapers, local tv stations, politicians. We need to go from this discussion forum and make the lenders, title/companies, ss's know that we are not going to take it anymore. We need to STRIKE!!! We need to come up with our own standard signing contract that we all use. Can you imagine where they would be if they didn't have qualified notaries at their beck and call to do signings? Up the proverbial creek.

I'm sorry, didn't mean to go on a tangent. But, as you can tell, this whole thing has made my Irish temper come out.

Tina Marie

Dear Ms. Grimes,
Your email was forwarded to the Consumer Protection Division and while
it
appears you may have a legitimate complaint, it is clearly not within
the
jurisdiction of our division. Our Division does not have authority as
defined by the Indiana Codes IC4-6-9-4 and 24-5-0.5-2 over disputes
between
businesses. Therefore, our office will not be able to pursue any claim
on
your behalf. We strongly encourage you to contact a private attorney
for
possible remedies that are not within the jurisdiction of this office.
Sincerely,
Eileen Palmer
Consumer Mediation Supervisor
Division of Consumer Protection
Indiana Attorney General's Office
E-mail: [e-mail address]
Phone: (317) 233-3992
Fax: (317) 233-4393