Posted by Susie/OH on 12/1/04 8:57pm
Msg #12499

I put the SEAL upside down..

I put the Seal upside down on one of the documents. Will it really matter or should I Add another Seal and void the upside down one?

Reply by KC/IN on 12/1/04 10:33pm
Msg #12519

I would put another one, Susie. I'm not sure what's right or wrong, but that's what I do.

Reply by Nd_WA on 12/1/04 10:45pm
Msg #12524

I've done it a few times and there wasn't space to put another one. I wouldn't sweat it since a seal is a seal and I have been paid on those signings.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/1/04 10:47pm
Msg #12526

Nd_WA reveals:

***I've done it a few times and there wasn't space to put another one. I wouldn't sweat it since a seal is a seal and I have been paid on those signings.***

Make that >>three<< other signing agents who've made that same stupid mistake.

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 7:47am
Msg #12544

Four others, please

1st time in 1989
2nd time in 2004

It's like a vaccination - once every 15 years - and that should do you.

Reply by charlotte morris on 12/2/04 9:58am
Msg #12557

Re:Due to not thinking clearly, due to....

NOT being under the influence of STARBUCKS COFFEE. Been there, done that. Solution: drive to STARBUCKS before going to signing.

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 3:21pm
Msg #12593

Re: Re:Due to not thinking clearly, due to....

Aha...another STARBUCKS fan. Charlotte, we must draw a straight line between us, visit each STARBUCKs in between, drinking expresso as we go, WHILE re-inacting the scenes from Beevis & ... (partner) wherein they drank expresso at a poetry reading.

If you never watched Ren & Stimpy, or Beevis, then click now and forget you ever saw this.

Reply by Maureen/nh on 12/2/04 8:33pm
Msg #12620

Re: Four others, please

Ha, Ha, Mine is round so it doesn't matter--looks weird, but hey

Reply by CarolynCO on 12/2/04 8:42am
Msg #12548

For us, an unclear or partial seal will not keep the doc from being good. My embosser was made to be used from the left side of the page -- if used from the right side of the paper, it ends up being upside down.

Reply by CTNotary on 6/18/05 3:08am
Msg #45804

Don't sweat

I have done it more than once too! I used to line through it, initial and restamp. Our Town Clerk said not to bother. Upside down or sideways is legit, as long as it is clear and readable. A smudge is another story

Reply by HisHughness on 12/1/04 10:45pm
Msg #12525

I'm ecstatic to discover that there are at least two other signing agents out there who have made that same stupid mistake. Sure has been lonely, thinking I was the only one.

Reply by Nd_WA on 12/1/04 11:10pm
Msg #12531

Just as I though...HisHughness

Reply by calipat/ca on 12/1/04 11:16pm
Msg #12532

Hmmmm.... I am sure there are alot more that have done that...but shhhh they don't want anyone else to know. Actually you can just make and X through the upside down one and stamp again if you feel more comfortable.

Reply by Lawrence Goodwin on 12/2/04 7:46am
Msg #12543

make me number 4 then, and I can see which way my seal faces in the window.

Reply by Jon on 12/1/04 11:44pm
Msg #12534

I can only speak for Ca, but the SOS said it doesn't matter as long as the seal is photographically reproducible.

Reply by Eatha/PA on 12/2/04 8:07am
Msg #12545

Ditto PA. . .

On motor vehicle forms, which are notorious for no seal room, we even put them sideways in the margin.

Reply by BrendaKhan on 12/2/04 9:23am
Msg #12553

Re: Ditto PA. . .

I think all of us at one point or another have encountered this same situation of stamping upside down! I did this already and simply crossed it out and stamped it correctly. If I did not have space to do that I would have left it that way and attached a completed certificate to the page just in case. Chalk it up to Murphy's Law in effect! BK-FL

Reply by GLENA/NV on 12/2/04 9:45am
Msg #12556

I had it hapened once...I just voided the seal....

and replaced it with the borrower's copy. It never reached the title company and they did not know I made a mistake. I aso had one where there is not enough space to place the seal and I turned it sideways to fit it.

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 2:17pm
Msg #12577

Re: Ditto PA. . .

I wish I had a seal room.

Reply by Eatha/PA on 12/3/04 9:49am
Msg #12653

Ha ha, Brenda!

It's great, I have seals that color coordinate with all my outfits but, darn! are they noisy and they smell like fish.

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/4/04 1:52am
Msg #12704

Re: Ha ha, Brenda!

LOL!

Eatha, recently I have actually seen an add for notary stamps/seals in many colors. I wonder if this is ok anywhere? I'll stick with black, but it would be fun.

Reply by BarbaraL_CA on 12/3/04 12:24am
Msg #12640

Jon - Is that in writing anywhere?

I stamped upside down once, crossed it out, stamped again and it overlapped on printed area, so I crossed that out, and had no more room - attached loose certificate.

If it's true the stamp can be anywhere in any position that would ease my mind.
Is it written somewhere?

Reply by CaliNotary on 12/3/04 12:52am
Msg #12645

Re: Jon - Is that in writing anywhere?

I've put them upside down and sideways a couple of times. I've never had one come back to me for a loose certificate.

Reply by Jon on 12/3/04 11:03am
Msg #12658

Re: Jon - Is that in writing anywhere?

No, it is not specifically written that the stamp can be upside down. However, if you can't find specific reference to a question, then you look at what you can find. Gov Code 8207 says in part:

"A notary public shall provide and keep an official seal, which shall clearly show, when embossed, stamped, impressed or affixed to a document, the name of the notary, the State Seal, the words "Notary Public," and the name of the county wherein the bond and oath of office are filed, and the date the notary public's commission expires. The seal of every notary public commissioned on or after January 1, 1992, shall contain the sequential identification number assigned to the notary...."

It also says:

"The seal of every notary public shall be affixed by a seal press or stamp that will print or emboss a seal which legibly reproduces under photographic methods the required elements of the seal."

As long as the above requirements are met, you are within the scope of the law. Nowhere does it say that the stamp must be right side up or upside down. All we have to do is make sure that all the required elements are clearly shown and that they are photographically reproducible.

Although, it does look better when the stamp is right side up.

Reply by Bob-Chicago on 12/2/04 11:32am
Msg #12562

Tip to avoid problem

Tape one or more paper clips to the far side of your seal.
You will feel the clips with your finger tips when you grip the seal so that you will know that it is pointing the right way
I am assuming that in California it is not a capital offence to "mutilate" your seal in this manner
As I understand it from this board, if a CA notary stamps their seal on a blank piece of paper, to check if it need re-inking, they will lose instantly lose their commission, even if alone in a locked room.
The "stamp police" will know a send a SWAT team.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/2/04 11:50am
Msg #12564

Re: Tip to avoid problem

Bob-Chicago comments:

***As I understand it from this board, if a CA notary stamps their seal on a blank piece of paper, to check if it needs re-inking, they will instantly lose their commission, even if alone in a locked room.***

The next session of the California legislature is to consider lightening the penalty somewhat. The offender will be senteneced to reading all Brenda/TX posts about IP numbers and blanks in affidavits.

There are those, it should be noted, who would not consider that a lighter sentence.

Reply by Jon on 12/2/04 12:05pm
Msg #12566

Aaaarrrgggghhhhh

Hugh enlightened:

"The next session of the California legislature is to consider lightening the penalty somewhat. The offender will be senteneced to reading all Brenda/TX posts about IP numbers and blanks in affidavits."

That's it!!!! I'm resigning my commission!!!!!

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 2:48pm
Msg #12582

Re: Aaaarrrgggghhhhh

Jon,

I have written a book about both IP numbers and the dangers of blanks in notarized documents in Texas. (It's in 7.5 pt print).

Now that you are giving up your commission...well...with all that free time, perhaps you'll be kind enough to proofread and discuss in detail with me (at times most inconvenient to you), this self-absorbed and lengthy text which is 832 manuscript pages.

The context of this book is a scholarly discussion with myself...a debate, a diatribe, a pontification and a lot of personalized "shooting the bull" (crap and lies) regarding every thing I know, or like to pretend I know on said stated subjects.

Plus, I have also included every detail about myself that you never wanted to know. If you have time, I would love to bore you stupid, then call you hate names when you are non-responsive.

Talk to you soon!!!!

And TIA!!!!

Brenda

PS - Perhaps CaliN could join us in a conference call. He's ever so patient with my self-absorbtion and will be there to pick me up when you let me down.

Reply by Jon on 12/2/04 2:57pm
Msg #12587

Re: Aaaarrrgggghhhhh

Uuhhhh, maybe I'll keep the commission and just not stamp anything that's not an official notary act.

Whew!!!!

Reply by Bob-Chicago on 12/2/04 3:04pm
Msg #12589

Brenda/Tx ok in my book

I enjoy her posts
If the Cal legislature passed a law to lighten any notary penalties ,it would be immediately vetoed by the Governator (or Gropernor as you prefer)
If they let notaries get away with stamp abuse they would end up with a bunch of
Girlienotaries and chaos would prevail

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 3:22pm
Msg #12594

Re: Brenda/Tx ok in my book

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 2:27pm
Msg #12580

Re: Tip to avoid problem

Bob Mentions: 'As I understand it from this board, if a CA notary stamps their seal on a blank piece of paper, to check if it need re-inking, they will lose instantly lose their commission, even if alone in a locked room. The "stamp police" will know a send a SWAT team. '

That is correct, Bob, but in Texas, Stamp SWAT Teams
are part of a greater network known as the "International Thought Police. "


LOL - isn't it cocktail time somewhere???

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/2/04 2:49pm
Msg #12584

Re: Tip to avoid problem

I meant "fruit cocktail." Just wanted to clear that up.

Reply by mike/ca on 12/2/04 7:09pm
Msg #12612

Re: Tip to avoid problem

oh no!! my grandson breached my briefcase and stole my stamp and imprinted it on the dining room table. guess i'm out of business lol

Reply by Bob-Chicago on 12/2/04 8:25pm
Msg #12617

Special exception

As I understand it you can keep your commission, but first you must spraypaint (orange) the word "void" on your table
Up until last week, you would have also needed to spray your grandson, but that was amended
If I had known that the grandchildren would be so much fun, I would have had them first.

Reply by BrendaTX on 12/3/04 12:25am
Msg #12641

Re: Special exception

You guys are cracking me up! LOL.

When I back up and take a look at "us" and I see the parsing, examining, analyzing, and soapboxing we do in the heated discussions of our collective selves over the wording of a notary certificate...I find it quite hysterically funny.

Reply by Jon on 12/2/04 11:25pm
Msg #12633

Re: Tip to avoid problem

Not out of business, but your grandson just committed a misdemeanor and you must file a police report. Ain't California wonderful!!!

Reply by thnotary_NY on 12/3/04 1:19pm
Msg #12662

Re: Tip to avoid problem

Does it have to be notorized??

Reply by FM/IN on 6/18/05 1:52am
Msg #45794

Re: LOL-So I'm not the ONLY lame one! - n/m