Posted by mike/ca on 12/22/04 7:07pm
Msg #14361

off/subject-always be aware

setting here waiting for e-docs, I live in one of the nicer parts of the high desert and i just had a fireman come to the door and hands me a flyer that a convicted sex offender has just moved into the neighbor. this really Pi---s me off this area is full of good decent kids.(sorry i had to vent)

Reply by CarolynCO on 12/22/04 8:00pm
Msg #14367

Mike,
I know it's probably not what you want to hear, but from my experience working with lawyers who either have the sex offenders as clients or working the other side of the table for the clients dealing with the sex offenders, they really do keep a pretty tight rein on the sex offender. Th sex offenders limits and boundaries are spelled out in no unquestionable terms when it comes to children.

I know it's a bummer, but just make sure everyone in the neighborhood uses caution, and most importantly, make sure the kids don't begin tormenting tactics. Good luck.

Reply by mike/ca on 12/22/04 9:14pm
Msg #14375

hi carolyn, yes i am aware i am also a certified paralegal here in calif. and know they have to live somewhere but just not wild about it being here.

Reply by Kat_CA on 12/22/04 9:24pm
Msg #14377

Mike,

You can look up this info at the County Sheriff's website as well:
http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/Sheriff/Public/MegansLaw/ResidentVerify.asp

We've got one on the next street up from us (I'm in the high desert as well) but we check the listings every so often. With two kids of our own, and a cul-de-sac FULL of rugrats, we like knowing who to watch out for.

Kat

Reply by Alex on 12/22/04 9:35pm
Msg #14381

Maybe some day our overpaid, underworked, ignorant, worthless, no account lawmakers will decide it's time to casterate everyone convicted of a sex offense. When the ACLU starts screaming, they could suffer the same fate.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/22/04 10:07pm
Msg #14382

Or, on the other hand, we could castrate the parents of neolithic idiots who make statements like "Maybe some day our overpaid, underworked, ignorant, worthless, no account lawmakers will decide it's time to casterate everyone convicted of a sex offense. When the ACLU starts screaming, they could suffer the same fate." Granted, castrating and tubaligating the parents won't solve the immediate problem of the offspring who've already afflicted us, but at least we will prevent further pollution of the gene pool.

Oh, and while we're at it, how about cutting out the tongues of women who falsely cry "rape"?

Somewhere in the Middle Ages, a village is missing its idiot.

Reply by mike/calif on 12/22/04 10:17pm
Msg #14383

Hugh my legal background does agree with you but think about our joyous conversation about our grand children. the thought of someone hurting my grand child makes me wish i was in your home state. do they still let you drive with a pint of whiskey and a 38 on your front seat. (just kidding).

Reply by HisHughness on 12/22/04 11:04pm
Msg #14388

Google "Hugh Nations" and "rape." You will find an article written for a journal called "Transitions" that will give you some insight into how prevalent false accusations of sex crimes against men are. Malebashing and the insistence that women are always victims, usually of men, is now so endemic that a sex crime is about the easiest conviction to obtain.

We don't post lists of shplifters to warn merchants. We don't posts lists of car thieves. We don't post lists of armed robbers or even ax murderers. But not so with those who have been convicted of sex crimes. Those we brand for life, which virtually of itself assures that they will always be outside the pale.

For those who want to post outraged outbursts that anybody -- anybody! -- would challenge the prevailing cant that men are beasts and women are always their victims, please be aware that in 30 years of advocacy work for men, I have heard it all. Spend some time in a good library exploring the literature produced by someone other than women's advocates, then come back and we'll talk. I guarantee the talk we will have at that point will be far more productive and far more inclined to examine more reasonable approaches to the problem of sex crimes than the usual "Man bad, woman poor innocent victim."

Reply by Lee/AR on 12/22/04 11:36pm
Msg #14390

This is kids we're talking about, Hugh...

Reply by HisHughness on 12/22/04 11:53pm
Msg #14391

No, it isn't just kids, Lee. In states that have such registries, all sex offenders are required to register.

And with respect to children, the phenomenon of false accusations of molestation has a name among the cognoscente. It is called "the nuclear bomb" of child custody litigation. The incidence of allegations skyrockets when men have the termerity to actually seek custody of their children. Imagine, a man who thinks he should be able to parent.

So you have a populace inclined to believe the worst of all men because of a steady diet of malebashing propaganda, you have the tendency of mothers to do anything to maintain custody of children, you have children who are so malleable that if properly coached they will come to believe anything, and -- bingo! -- you have a child molester.

My initial reaction was not to whether child molesters should be punished or kept away from children. My reaction was to the suggestion that we should enhance the penalties levied against all sex criminals. I might be willing to consider that provided we begin amputating the tongues of women who are unsuccessful in seeking the convictions of men they claim have molested them or their children. We could start with the woman who accused a Kennedy family heir of rape.

If you thought religion was a hot-button topic, Lee, you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

Reply by Happy in Fl on 12/23/04 2:26am
Msg #14398

Hugh-- How I agree with you...!! You are right on!!

I personally know a case where a Youth Minister- married with several children was tried/convicted of sex offences- when two boys-10 to 13 were tearing up the Bathroom at church- He went in ordered the boys to leave- they were verbally abusive to the Youth Minister- said they will tell their parents he tried to touch them--they did- one of these kids dad was a police officer- and went to court and testified what kids reported-- and Bingo- Youth Minister is in Jail- doing time-- a Labeled Sex Offender---his wife and Kids now without a live in Dad..

Boy are you right Hugh----makes me sick of all the wrong being done along this line...!

This is one Sermon "You Preached" and your on the money..!!

Reply by JanetK/CA on 12/23/04 3:05am
Msg #14400

I think this topic another example of the trouble we can get ourselves into whenever we say or think "All _____ are..." One can fill in the blank with many different things. This can apply to men or women or religion or race or ??? Take your pick.

Clearly, some men ARE horrendous sex offenders. Some women HAVE heartlessly falsely accused some men. And yes, children can be very mean-spirited and lie, not understanding the repercussions of their accusations. Certainly, though, they are not all the same! I wish we could judge each person on their own merits - or lack thereof. This would be a much nicer world to live in... And I also don't think more violence is a solution to preventing violence - or dealing with violent offenders. (Don't worry.... I won't be quoted Rodney King!)

Reply by Lee/AR on 12/23/04 8:14pm
Msg #14461

What I was responding to was the original poster...who was worried about kids. But, I'll go along with you on cutting tongues off of women who falsely accuse someone---if you'll go along with cutting off other offending body parts of people who molest children. Then we probably wouldn't need firemen going door to door with flyers about sex offenders. And, yes, I do realize that far too many people fall into the sex-offender category that probably aren't a threat to anyone. But, where, exactly, do you draw the line?? Somewhere (can't remember my source) I read that 'once a pedophile, always a pedophile'. They don't 'cure'. Does sex-offender registry make their lives miserable? Sure. Should it? Sure. 'They' may think it's OK, but society says it's not--and they KNOW that and, therefore, are held accountable.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/23/04 9:08pm
Msg #14462

I'm sorry, Lee, but you're way off base on any number of counts, none of which i'm going to go into here.

The biggest problem men face is not malebashing women's activists, but men who have bought into the stereotypes bandied about so readily by so many knee-jerkers. Over the years I have had the privilege of exchanging views with many people involved in gender issues, ranging from John Wayne Bobbitt's lawyer to Christina Hoff Sommers, author of "Who Stole Feminism? How Women Have Betrayed Women." One consistent thread has run through all those conversations: The greatest harm done to men is by well-meaning but misguided other men.

I can't imagine a much more unlikely forum than this to be discussing these issues, so I'm folding my soapbox and stealing quietly into the night.

Reply by Paul-PA on 12/24/04 8:52am
Msg #14479

But before you go....don't you wish the court would consider giving a false accuser the same sentence the accused would have gotten should he be acquitted? Now THAT'S justice!!