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Posted by Lauren on 9/30/04 1:49pm
Msg #9097

MUST BE PRESENT?

In the state of Florida - does a person need to be present when signing something that needs to be notarized? Can a thrid party verify the signature with a picture id?

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 9/30/04 2:44pm
Msg #9100

The person whose signature is being notarized MUST be in the presence of the notary at the time of notarization. A third party cannot veryify the signature.


Why do you ask?

Reply by PAW Notary Services on 9/30/04 3:48pm
Msg #9103

The following is an excerpt from the Florida Governor's Reference Manual for Notaries:

Q. May I notarize a signature without the person being
present if another person swears that the person
signed the document?

A. No! The Notary Section receives frequent inquiries about
“notarizing a person’s signature by subscribing witness.”
Evidently, some notaries believe that it is permissible to
notarize a signature when the person is not present — if
someone who witnessed the signing of the document appears
before the notary and swears that the person actually signed
the document. Some states, like California, do, in fact, allow
such notarizations, but Florida does not. Misunderstanding
may also stem from a section in Florida law that provides a
method by which instruments concerning real property may
be entitled to recording in Florida when the document signer
cannot appear before a notary to acknowledge his or her
signature. You may hear this procedure referred to as “proof of
execution by subscribing witness.”

We recently asked the leading experts in Florida about this issue. The Attorneys’ Title Insurance
Fund, Inc. is considered the state’s foremost authority on matters related to the real estate industry. The
following information should clarify any confusion which may exist on the subject.

First, this method is used only for acknowledgments on real estate transactions. Second, this is not an
alternative method of notarization. The person whose signature is being notarized must personally
appear before the notary at the time of the notarization — without exception. Rather, this provision is a
method by which a document can be recorded in Florida. For example, say a person signed a document
related to a real estate transaction but did not acknowledge his signature before a notary public. Later,
the document cannot be recorded by the county clerk because it lacks notarization. The problem is
further complicated when the document signer cannot be located or is deceased. Florida law provides
that one of the subscribing witnesses on the document may “prove” the execution of the document by
swearing that the person did actually sign the document. With that sworn statement, the document may
then be recorded.

The proof method is not commonly used. In fact, one experienced lawyer at Attorneys’ Title Fund
said that she had never seen a real property instrument recorded using this method and that, for
insuring purposes, her company would investigate thoroughly before issuing title insurance. As a
notary public, you will probably never encounter this situation. Generally, when there is a problem
with the recording of a document, an attorney handles the matter and takes other legal steps to remedy
the situation.

Some private companies produce form “certificates of proof.” We prefer the affidavit format instead.
By using an affidavit with a standard jurat, the notary will not be certifying more information than is
required of the notary. It is up to the affiant to state the facts and swear to the truthfulness of his or her
statement.

Remember then, if a co-worker, family member, or anyone else asks you to notarize another person’s
signature based on a sworn statement that he or she saw the person sign the document, JUST SAY NO!!


 
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