Posted by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:12pm
Msg #30527

Another updated useful link ...

with signing services companies:

http://www.50statenotary.com/directory/company_listing01.html

I personally would highly recommend 50statenotary.com and Victoria Ring's literature ...

Reply by HisHughness on 4/8/05 6:16pm
Msg #30529

Stella/CA, taking her entire future in her hands, posts:

***I personally would highly recommend 50statenotary.com and Victoria Ring's literature ...***

I'm taking bets. My guess is that PAW will respond to that post within 12 minutes. Anybody wanna give me odds?

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:25pm
Msg #30533

Who/what is PAW?

Thanks

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/8/05 6:48pm
Msg #30540

Stella
You mustn't have been around this message board long
PAW is Paul/FL. Posts under PAW Notary Services.

He is "my popsie" LOL

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:55pm
Msg #30543

Hi Sylvia -

I haven't been around for a long time, probably 2 weeks:-(

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/8/05 7:19pm
Msg #30553

Only two weeks! And still alive!

(Just kidding)

Just don't be afraid to ask questions - after doing a search to make sure it hasn't been covered already

And if you click on my link, you can always e-mail me any time

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:46pm
Msg #30539

Hugh, it is annoying how you humiliate people in this chat. This is the second time I am posting something and you already started mocking my statement

Reply by Ernest_CT on 4/8/05 6:50pm
Msg #30541

HisHughness wasn't mocking you.

He was expressing the view that somebody would disagree with one of your opinions. He was betting that one specific person would be the first person to disagree. HisHughness lost. Two other people expressed their opinions that Ms Ring's advice/opinion is not to be trusted.

Add my name to the list of people suggesting that Victoria Ring is often wrong and misleads notaries.

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:54pm
Msg #30542

Re: HisHughness wasn't mocking you.

Hi Ernest - I meant the first part of his reply:

"Stella/CA, taking her entire future in her hands, posts"

Nevermind ... I know now that I shouldn't buy Victoria's books

Reply by Ernest_CT on 4/8/05 7:00pm
Msg #30545

HisHughness, like me, reserves the right ...

... to be a smart-aleck. Our verbal tone doesn't come through the keyboard.

On the serious side, welcome to the Forum!

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 7:02pm
Msg #30546

Re: HisHughness, like me, reserves the right ...

Thanks ... a bit of a tough beginning:-))

Reply by Ernest_CT on 4/8/05 7:08pm
Msg #30549

People here are a little touchy lately. Newbies please note.

Recently there has been a spate of flaming. Virtually each page of postings has new notaries asking one or more of the questions that are frequently asked. That's why people who are new to this Forum are advised (sometimes not gently) to read through ALL the older posts, use the "Search" button, and lurk for a while before asking the oft-asked "What kind of printer should I get?", et cetera, question.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/8/05 7:46pm
Msg #30555

Re: People here are a little touchy lately. Newbies please note.

And the energy used to post the not so gentle responses could have been used to give an answer.
It is nice when newbies do the research themselves, but it doesn't hurt anything to be cordial to them when they do ask.

Reply by HisHughness on 4/8/05 7:05pm
Msg #30547

Stella complains:

***Hugh, it is annoying how you humiliate people in this chat. This is the second time I am posting something and you already started mocking my statement ***

1) First point: Guilty, though I would plead justification. Well...sometimes, maybe a little dyspepsia and just general cantankerousness, but mostly justification.

2) Second point: Stella, ye know not whereof you speak. I quake to think of your reaction had I actually chosen to mock you. If you took offense at that, which was not in any way directed at you, you no doubt would be reduced to an incoherent, millennial rage at the real thing.

Reply by Stella on 4/8/05 7:11pm
Msg #30550

Oh ! I see :-)

Reply by ssnotary on 4/8/05 7:19pm
Msg #30552

Lordy I'm peeing in my pants, this all too funny, in a cruel sense....

Reply by BrendaTX on 4/8/05 8:44pm
Msg #30563

Hugh, what the heck is a

"millennial rage" in this context??

Reply by HisHughness on 4/8/05 11:45pm
Msg #30609

Re: Hugh, what the heck is a

BrenBren asks what a millennial rage is?

Just as there are 25, 50, 100 and 500 year flood plains, there are rages of varying degrees. A millennial rage is one you're likely to see only once every millennium.

Despite their rarity, millennial rages seem to be quite commonplace among my ex-wives, for some reason that thus far has escaped me.

Reply by Melody on 4/9/05 12:31am
Msg #30621

Ex-wives?

Just how many do you have!?!

No wonder you know about Millennial Rages!

I bet there is a strong correlation between Millennial Rages and Menopause.

Reply by PAW_Fl on 4/9/05 12:13am
Msg #30617

I think I may have an answer to Hugh's incredulous posting behavior. He wasn't allowed to play a prosecuting attorney in moot court. (And he always wanted to play one on TV, and live on a bass boat.)

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/8/05 6:25pm
Msg #30532

Not Paul but I have to disagree with you on Victoria Ring. There is a lot of misinformation in her literature and her newsletters as many have found out.

Her business is up for sale.

Reply by Stella/CA on 4/8/05 6:28pm
Msg #30536

Thanks Sylvia ... I guess I haven't read as much specialized (signing agent) literature as many of you in order to be able to objectively compare, I appreciate the info.

Reply by BrendaTX on 4/8/05 8:09pm
Msg #30561

What if I disagree with Hugh, Sylvia, Paul and Ernest et al?

Because I am going to say I think that Victoria Ring has someone worthwhile to contribute to notaries aspiring to be signing agents--if they are willing to use her book as an outline...and flesh out the rest of it for themselves. I still say her book gives a good overview. After stumbling upon the concept of the NSA online, I got the picture of how to conduct a signing from her book. However, I took it upon *myself* to find out the truth of every critical part of my job as it pertained to an SA in Texas.

(If you care what our usual responses and cross-responses are about this kind of thing, there's lots of them in the archives. I say this...they say that...and blah, blah, blah. And, every time...we'll still respect each other in the morning...I'll still think just as highly of the rest of them...they'll just continue to put up with me and shake their heads at my misguided way of seeing things on VR.)

Life goes on until this comes up again.

Hugh might even send me a picture of monkeys giving sign language to indicate his disdain. Cali might zing me, Carolyn may tell me "You are wrong. n/m." Jon will probably offhandedly indicate my unbelievable ignorance...or not...he'll just let sue have at me. Roger will post something to indicate "that's crap." And, I will respond, or not...one way or another it'll drop and we'll all bring our toys and come right back and play in a few days.

Differing opinions do not mean that we get angry at one another, or think less of one another.

I'll tell you what Stella...Hugh might seem like a %$%!##, but if you ever need help on an SA issue, pick up the phone and call him. That's what I did, and on the phone he was a real !#$!@#$!...but he grows on you. Pretty soon, you realize he's one of those people you really, really like, or you really, really hate. Me, the former.

Now, about me, Melody, Ernest and Paul ... well, that's another story...and one we should leave well in the distant 70's when everything was in a haze and people loved to put flowers on their "Love Bugs."

(BTW, the first time I called Hugh, he was very nice and helpful...I was just kidding.)

Reply by Anonymous on 4/8/05 8:48pm
Msg #30565

Re: What if I disagree with Hugh, Sylvia, Paul and Ernest et al?

Oh my Lord!!! k Harry,owner of the site(?) Should really set the tone for this site with "DON'T EVEN THINK TO POST ANYTHING UNTIL YOU READ 2 TO 3 YEARS OF POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Then everyone can take the tone with newbies as they do everyday. It is as annoying as the damn newbie question. Just ignore it!!!! This shit is wasting my time. I can't get good info in a good format b/c of the "educated" egos on the board.

I wish I could seperated it like I do with junk mail on the web. I wouldn't add to this uneducating crap, but to educate & remind others (u know who u r) this should be a helpful place to go for support. Take your personal daily info & complaints to their personal email address -------- a reminder to the non-newbies.

As a rule of thumb ask yourself before you respond: Could a newbie read all the posts in a timley manor to get answers? Wouldn't it be benificial if someone asks a question & no one responds, a newbie mignt find the answer faster? To not read 20 egos responding with personal likes & dislikes ON 1 FREAK'N' POST about others? Don't post it PLEASE IGNORE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from a non-newbie in the life of signing/newbie to this site starting to wonder why noone turned me on to this 3 years ago? hmmmmmmmmm

Reply by Jeanie.Fl on 4/9/05 12:43am
Msg #30629

Re: What if I disagree with Hugh, Sylvia, Paul and Ernest et al?

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply by Jon on 4/8/05 9:10pm
Msg #30568

Re: What if I disagree with Hugh, Sylvia, Paul and Ernest et

Brenda speculates,

"Jon will probably offhandedly indicate my unbelievable ignorance..."

Based on your post, I don't have to. ;)

Reply by Ernest_CT on 4/8/05 9:55pm
Msg #30584

Bingo!

Brenda has elucidated what is, IMHO, the best spirit of this Forum! Every day I thank Bobbi, Hugh, Paul, Silvia, CaliNotary (sorry, sir, I don't know your "real" name), Brenda, sue, and a couple of others who have slipped my feeble. No, I don't agree with each of them on every issue.

One of the best things about the regulars here is that we get differing opinions, and usually hear the reasoning / law behind them. I am NOT an expert! Every day I check something in the CT Notary Manual. Some weeks I haunt the Town Hall asking for opinions. I've been to the SoS's Office asking questions.

Brenda and the others mentioned above make me THINK. Sometimes they gave black and white answers, and sometimes I do the research to find out WHY they're right. (And yes, usually, they're right. Sometimes for their state but not for CT.) If I had a serious doubt about the ethics of doing as they said, even if they were legally correct, would I do it? Would you?

We don't have to agree. We should, however, be able to be as civil as Brenda was in her post.

Reply by donnapa on 4/8/05 10:32pm
Msg #30594

agree w/anonymous writer

short & sweet .......... didn't anyone get that point & everyone still cont. writing long messages about personal defenses on others or personal dislikes. How can people take the advice to read all the posts? I know I don't have the time!!! I relate to that piece b/c all this other stuff not only is usless but leaves people lost in personal relationships with each other. It's like I picked up a diary. The voice through out the posts tonight & all responses have been to this topic in some way. this was the only useful non-related to personal relationships. (on the topic) the real questions had low responses how dissappointing in pa

Reply by CarolynCO on 4/8/05 11:20pm
Msg #30603

Re: donnapa

*this was the only useful non-related to personal relationships.*

It's really too bad that you don't want to get to know the *posters* personalities. We encourage each other, but we also kick each other in the rear when it is needed -- and still, we support one another whether agreeing or disagreeing.

Reply by BrendaTx on 4/9/05 1:24am
Msg #30644

Re: agree w/anonymous writer

#29012

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/8/05 10:33pm
Msg #30596

Re: Bingo!

But Ernest
You do know when Brenda is being civil, it is actually Notary Dog posting for her...


(just kidding Brenda - oh and you need to change my county in the notary listing on your site, it is still showing as "Florida" instead of "Brevard" - just have Notary Dog change it)

Reply by christi/socal on 4/9/05 12:52am
Msg #30636

Re: the personalitys on this site(wink)

I love the banter and the "personalitys" on this site. We are all people ( i think). Would it be better if all answers were more robotic? Yes, some times answers are ruder than need be, just ignore those and go on with your life- cause it's too hard and too short to get so upset over somthing that really dosen't matter. In the meantime laugh and enjoy (and get lots of good info) this site. I can remember my cranky old (smart) uncle or my sweet aunt who tried to get everyone to "just get along". My grandmother who was a teacher and knew everything. and of course the bratty kid down the street, even my granddaddy who was a pastor. No this is not all strictly "notary stuff but we were people first! Now anon and friend go eat a spoonful of sugar and have fun!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I'll let ya'll figure out whos who

Reply by Jon on 4/9/05 12:19pm
Msg #30687

Re: the personalitys on this site(wink)

Let's see, sometimes I'm cranky, I usually think I know everthing, and have been accused of being bratty. I can't figure out who I am, the uncle, granny or the kid down the street??? I'm so confused!!!

Reply by christi/socal on 4/9/05 2:10pm
Msg #30697

Thats ok Jon, I'm always confused ;)

Reply by Reggie on 4/9/05 9:44am
Msg #30657

Now after reading all the posts on this subject. what is wrong with Victoria Ring and please give details not just she is giving bad advice be specific please I have her book and so far everything I've read is correct as far as I can determine. So, please give some examples of her errors.

Reggie
Kansas

Reply by PAW_Fl on 4/9/05 10:01am
Msg #30659

Well, you asked ...

I usually do not air other peoples dirty laundry except when that laundry flies into the face of the unsuspecting. But, since you're rather new to the fray, I will fill you in on some history. With Victoria's newsletter, I have personally sent her emails about the content in 10 different issues. And have discussed some of these issues on many boards, including, the Yahoo group, GoMobileNotary, NotaryRotary, The Notary Depot, and the Signing Registry. Even posted a couple of time on the American Notary Network, the Florida Signing Agent and national Signing Agent boards. Here are some examples:

She has given very bad advice on the purchase of a printer for printing edocs. Some unsuspecting notaries purchased that printer and have found that it cannot be used in all situations. The notary is out ~$300 due to the bad information.

She published a directive email from Chase Manhattan that was address to a specific group of notaries, not the general notary community.

She publicly announced the Brother, Canon, and HP all used the same engine. "It’s the same thing as comparing a Ford and a Lincoln automobile. The company names are different but they all use the same parts inside the engine. This knowledge in itself should save you a few bucks when deciding between the name brands."

In issue 44 she gave incorrect information about attachment sizes and Eudora (email client) limitations.

She (or someone) created a "Notary Guard Dog" that is suppose to protect your computer. First she stated that it is "a desktop utility that does not install anything in your Windows file and only resides on your desktop." Well, anything that resides on your desktop is a file. Further, the "Guard Dog" is merely an application that runs in full screen mode. ALT+TAB will take you anywhere you want to go.

Ohio SA's can comment on this (from issue 66):
Dear Subscribers: Perhaps we have uncovered another variance in state
law. Here in the state of Ohio it is required by the Clerk at the
Recorder's Office that any multi-page court document must be initialed at
the bottom of every page (including the back pages if wording is printed on
them). This is done because it would be easy for someone to have a person
sign the last page of a multi-page document, then change the front pages
before filing it with the court; thus causing the document to be fraudulent
and possibly detrimental for the signer. By initialing the bottom of all
pages in a multi-page document, this indicates those pages were part of the
original set when presented to the signer(s) and they agree to all the terms
stated therein.


Those are just some of my recent samples.


Since the information that she publishes on a weekly basis is suspect, and all too often incorrect or misleading, I can only extrapolate the same to her other "technical" works. Victoria knows marketing and salesmanship. No question there. But her expertise in the notary and signing agent field is very limited. And her knowledge of the technical aspects of the computer and related systems, even from a user's perspective, leaves a lot to be desired. She is better to leave those aspects to the real experts.

Reply by PAW_Fl on 4/9/05 10:08am
Msg #30661

Re: Well, you asked ... further ...

I do not have a copy of her book as I think it would not be worth my money to purchase it. However, I did suggest to Victoria that she send her book to well established and widely acknowledged leaders in the industry to review her book. This certainly would add credibility to her standing if everything she publishes as gospel, is in fact validated and verified. However, she has chosen to ignore my suggestion and the suggestions of others in this aspect as well as publishing corrections to errors.

She has yet to admit that she has made any errors in any of her statements. She has not publicly even admitted that anyone has found faults with her information, but has chosen to ignore them altogether. In my opinion, this has reduced her overall credibility substantially.

Reply by HisHughness on 4/9/05 10:25am
Msg #30664

Re: Well, you asked ... further ...

PAW says of Victoria Ring:

***She has not publicly even admitted that anyone has found faults with her information, but has chosen to ignore them altogether.***

Not exactly true, Paul. Long before I ever logged on to NotRot for the first time, I stumbled across Victoria's web site. I e-mailed her my evaluation that her site was useful but most unprofessional because of the many spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors, which undermined her credibility. She did not, as you noted, ever acknowledge the criticism -- but she made the changes.

Reply by PAW_Fl on 4/9/05 11:01am
Msg #30674

Re: Well, you asked ... further ...

Making typo fixes is not what I was talking about. Re-read what I said. Her **information** is flawed. Of course, you're right in that her presentation sometimes is wrong as well.

Reply by christi/socal on 4/9/05 1:48pm
Msg #30693

A question for paw

I am computer-challaged, in part of your above message you state " ALT &TAB will take you were you want to go" What does that mean? Sorry but I am somewhat clueless on this. I'd guess it won't magically pop us over to Hawaii TIA

Reply by PAW_Fl on 4/9/05 8:12pm
Msg #30744

Re: A question for paw

In the standard installation of Microsoft Windows, pressing the ALT key and the TAB key at the same time allows you to navigate from one window to another. In reference to the "Notary Watchdog", it is nothing more than an application that presents a full screen graphic. Pressing the ALT key and TAB key simultaneously, will allow you to select another active window (assuming there is more that one window active on the system).

Try it now. Press and hold the ALT key then press the TAB key. Depending on which version of Windows you are running, you may get a little window which will allow you to select what other window you want (by continuing to hold the ALT key down and pressing the TAB key until the window you want is selected), or it will simply bring up the next active window.

There are a slew of "keyboard shortcut keystrokes" you can use to navigate around Windows and perform some functions like Copy (ALT+C) or Cut (ALT+X) and Paste (ALT+V).

Reply by christi/socal on 4/10/05 12:56am
Msg #30793

Thanks PAW n/m