Posted by Sonya Armfield on 8/18/05 3:19pm
Msg #59955
Administrative Outsourcing solutions/ Lorin Brigle
Anyone interested in joining me in filing a complaint against this company and individual? I think if the secretary of state receives multiple complaints against this company they will take their license away. Please contact me directly at [e-mail address] even if you just want to share your story and not file a complaint.
Thanks,
Sonya
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Reply by LORIN BRIGLE on 8/18/05 7:29pm
Msg #60050
Sonya:
Please find attached the signing worksheet/confirmation sent to you on WED, 13-JULY-2005. Please review and note the payment terms as highlighted: FEE’s PAID WITHIN 30 BUSINESS DAYS of FUNDING. This loan was a Purchase and should have funded on, MONDAY, 18-JULY-2005 as there was NO rescission, but because the docs were not returned to UPS in a TIMELY manner and NOT received by title company until WED, 20-JULY-2005 this PURCHASE did not fund until THURS, 21-JULY-2005. FUNDING was held up due to the lack of urgency on your part. We are fortunate to have even received payment at all. When you add 30 BUSINESS DAYS (do not include SAT, SUN, or HOLIDAYS.), then you can expect your check on/or before WED, 31-AUG-2005. I understand you have phoned the title company to complain, stating you followed instructions, accused them of being incompetent, and made other threats. Where is the credibility in your statements to the title company? As is clearly stated on my instructions provided to you on the same attached worksheet/confirmation, the documents were to be returned to Title Company by MON, 18-JULY-05. If you so diligently followed instructions, then why did it take you until the TUES, 19-JULY-05 to return documents to UPS for shipping back to Kentucky? I too complete signings, and I have never conducted myself in an unprofessional manner such as not returning documents immediately. I do not hold documents longer than 24 hours. You took 4 days and a trip to Connecticut and we still had to track you down. Your check has already been submitted for payment. You will receive it by the end of August. Much luck with your future endeavors.
Mr. Brigle
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From: Sonya [mailto:[e-mail address]]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:59 PM
To: Sonya; [e-mail address]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: shields
Please advise as to when I can expect payment for this closing.
Sonya
Sonya <[e-mail address]> wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.
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Ms. Smith:
these are the documents that I received and sent back to your company. Need I remind you that the closing was scheduled for 5 pm on the 14 of July and as of 7 pm that night UPS had not delivered the documents. The documents were ultimately delivered though a rush email.
I expect full payment in a timely manner. If not, i will file a complaint with the Attorney Generals of my state and your state as well as the Better Business Bureau and will not hesitate to sue your company in Small Claims court.
Sonya N. Armfield, Esq.
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Reply by Sonya on 8/19/05 11:26am
Msg #60241
Again you called me and begged me to do the signing. I explained that I was going to Connecticut the next day and I needed to have the documents by 5 pm on the 14th of July. You claimed that UPS would send them by 5 pm on the 14 of July. I did not receive the UPS doc's until the 15th of July. Instead I had to work with documents that were sent to me in a rush email and then you and the title company tried to not pay me.
IYour reputation proceeds, people just need to do a search of this board and they will find that others have experienced similar problems from you.
Try messgaes.
42450
45631
42379
42285
42407
47898
42517
23433
23453
just for a start.
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Reply by WALTER J on 8/19/05 3:46pm
Msg #60428
WHO IS SONYA ARMFIELD, ESQ . . . or NOT?
Lorin Brigle et. al:
I am a retired attorney and Title Producer for the state of Maryland. Allow me to respond to this post concerning Sonya Armfield. If Sonya Armfield is a Licensed Attorney as she claims in her profile, then she is not licensed in Maryland, DC, or Virginia. Feel free to contact each of the respective State Bar Associations as they are more than willing to confirm this information. If Sonya Armfield, is conducting Closing in the State of Maryland, then she is NGAGING in the UNAUTORIZED PRACTICE OF LAW. Attorney or not,She must be at the very minimum a Licensed Title Producer for the State of Maryland, and according to the Maryland Insurance Administration she is not. I contacted a Dottie Cordwell with the Maryland Insurance Administration and directed her to Sonya Armfields profile and posts on Notary Rotary, and she intends to investigate. If anyone feels that they may have been harmed in any way by this person, then contact Dottie Cordwell with the Maryland Insurance Commission. Further, I contacted Maryland State Bar Association and discussed what recourse Lorin and any others may have due to Miss Armfield's alleged actions. The Maryland Bar Association states that you may file a grievance against anyone fruadlently misrepresenting themselves as an attorney by contacting Maryland Attorney Grievance Commission. All pertinent numbers follow:
Marlyand Insurance Administration
Contact: Dottie Cordwell
Phone: 410-468-2261
E-mail: [e-mail address]
Maryland State Bar Association
410-260-1950
Maryland Attorney Grievance Commission
http://www.courts.state.md.us
Phone: 410-514-7051
District Of Columbia Bar Association
Phone: 202-737-4700
Virginia State Bar Association
804-775-4700
In closing, I must say that the message boards are nothing more than a chat room full of gossip and much of the items posted are questionable at most. I have never worked for Administrative Outsourcing Solutions or Lorin Brigle, but I do know a Title Producer in Maryland that referred me to this post because he is rather fond and appreciative of the business he receives from Mr. Brigle. Miss Armfield's credentials and opinions on this board are suspect and she needs to conduct herself accordingly.
Walter J.
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Reply by Howard on 8/18/05 7:37pm
Msg #60052
I have worked with Lorin for two years and have always been paid within the time frame of 30 days after funding. I have never had a problem with Lorin or his company and I will continue to do signings with him.
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Reply by Ted_MI on 8/18/05 7:47pm
Msg #60053
Re: Howard - ditto for me n/m
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Reply by Sonya on 8/18/05 11:15pm
Msg #60115
Why are you just posting this now? Are you a real person? Or are you someone that Lorin called up and begged to post this for him? Or are you Lorin? Its amazing no-one has ever posted anything good about Lorin on this board, but now today, all of his legitmate business practices are being testified about. Yeah, right.
Lorin has realized that he has picked the wrong one to try and screw over. There are two sides to every story and like any good attorney I ALWAYS pick my battles. For the clueless, I do not fight unless I know that I will win, so I will not even read Lorin's lies. He knows the truth and so do I.
If Lorin was so innocent, he would not be posting emails to a public listserv. How unprofessional and immature. I printed for my arsenal of documents as proof of his unprofessionalism.
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Reply by Rob Kaiser on 8/19/05 11:07am
Msg #60228
Soya, you can chalk this one up as a loss. Which I have a feeling is not new to you. You really need to quit while you are behind. Lorin will pay you as stated, that has NEVER been an issue. The issue is YOUR lack of work ethics. Oh by the way, I am a real notary in PA, so feel free to e-mail or call me and trust me, you will find out that I’m not Lorin.
Rob Kaiser
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Reply by Sonya on 8/19/05 11:14am
Msg #60231
Again RIFF- reading is fundamental. The issue is not my lack of wack ethics, you only heard Lorin's version. He neglected to post the original tracking slip from UPS where the city was correct, but the state was wrong. So of couse, it took 4 days to get to the right place.
So I guess my work ethics caused UPS to deliver the signing docs to me on the 16th for a sgning that was scheduled on the 15th?
You really need to learn to think independently. SS will ALways call me because they want attornies, not regular notaries!!!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have a lot of other things to do and will not have time t o post. So this discussion is closed as far as I am concerned.
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Reply by Rob Kaiser on 8/19/05 4:19pm
Msg #60436
Have you ever heard of spell check?
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Reply by NorCalDar on 8/21/05 5:09am
Msg #60526
Call it morbid curiosity... I am waiting for my son (who is serving our country) to call so I literally have nothing better to do. I only hope this is not a career mistake!
Sonya posts: ***"Its amazing no-one has ever posted anything good about Lorin on this board, but now today, all of his legitimate business practices are being testified about. Yeah, right."***
Read message 21615. BTW, dated back in February. I'm sure in Sonya's world, they are plants but for those of us living on this planet...
I took the bait and read the messages that Sonya posted that purported to prove what a nasty horrible company AOS, Inc is. Full disclaimer, I have never done a signing for this company. That said I figure that if I ever were to get a call from AOS, Inc., I would like to know whom I am dealing with. Of the 9 messages reference by Sonya,
2 were negative post. Don't know how long they claim to have gone without payment. But from what I gather from reading these posts, the possibility exists that the SA may not have understood the 30 days from funding policy that AOS, Inc apparently has,
1 was a negative post that later admitted that she did not understand the terms of payment,
1 was the admission of lack of understanding of policy in the above post,
The remaining were associated with some sort of phone trouble with AOS, Inc's phone line.
Based on the inconsistent, if not contradictory statements Sonya has made over the last couple of days, I’d be surprised if AOS, Inc didn't itself take legal action to mute her. I just wish they would hurry up so that it free's up space on the board for constructive use.
But then I wouldn't have anything to do while I wait for an overseas call.
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Reply by LORIN BRIGLE on 8/18/05 8:01pm
Msg #60055
To all reading Ms. Armfields complaint! Let me share with you how this closing occured. I contacted Ms. Armfield on WED, 13-JULY-2005 to conduct an EDOCS purchase closing for Mooser And Friebert Land title on THURS, 14-JULY-05. She was contacted because she executed signing as an attorney, and this was required by the Title Company. Ms. Armfield executed the closing on THURS, EVENING 14-JULY-2005. Do keep in mind this was a Purchase so there was no rescission and the loan was to Fund on Monday. She had clear intructions th have documents returned by MON, 18-JULY-05. Ms. Armfield assured myself and Cynthia Chesser at MFLT (502-238-8501), that she had returned the docs on FRI, 15-JULY-05 when in fact she had not. She had to be tracked down and questioned as to the where abouts of the documents on TUES, 19-JULY-05. The title company received complaints that Ms. Armfield was in such a hurry to complete closing that she rushed borrowers so as to get to connecticut which is where she eventually shipped the docs. She resides in MD, executes closings in Maryland, but shipped the docs on TUES, 19-JULY-05 from Connecticut. The documents were not received by the title company until WED, 20-JULY-05. THE UPS tracking number should you all like to review is as follows: 1Z1YR3140193825554. This borrower was extremely dismayed and Ms. Armfield is fortunate that she or I are even getting paid. Ms. Armfields lack of urgency held-up the funding of this PURCHASE by one week and now she is crying about non-payment. Ms. Armfield is going to be paid in accordance with the agreed upon terms. Fee's Paid within 30 BUSINESS days of Funding. She is receiving her agreed upon fee, and was not penalized. As is stated on here confirmation, documents were to be returned to title company on MON, 18-JULY-05. Again, she did not ship until TUES, 19-JULY-05.
Should anyone like to inquire as to the validity of Ms. Armfields claims, I would be glad to post all e-mail correspondance showing timeline of events in PDF format for your review. I am a signing agent in Florida, I brought Ms. Armfield a job, she failed to follow instructions, showed lack of urgency in returning docs, and she conducted herself unprofessionally. Now, she is claiming I am the one at fault for the way she conducts her business.
Lorin Brigle
[e-mail address]
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Reply by JO on 8/18/05 8:23pm
Msg #60058
I'M A PENNSYLVANIA NOTARY AND HAVE DONE NUMEROUS SIGNINGS WITH AOSL. LORIN IS A GREAT GUY AND I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND HIS COMPANY. I HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN PAID ON TIME AND AOSL IS ONE OF THE FEW COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY GET THE DOCS TO ME WHEN THEY SAY THEY WILL ARRIVE.
COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS COMPANY? N-E-V-E-R!!! I JUST WISH THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD ACT IN THE SAME PROFESSIONAL MANNER AS LORIN. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME ABOUT THIS GREAT COMPANY AT [e-mail address].
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Reply by Anonymous on 8/18/05 8:43pm
Msg #60062
Re: Why on the list???
If this company is so great, then why is it on just about every NO NO List floating around?
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Reply by JO on 8/18/05 9:47pm
Msg #60072
Re: Why on the list???
IF YOU PUT ALL THE NO-NO LISTS TOGETHER, ALMOST EVERY COMPANY THAT EXISTS WOULD BE ON AT LEAST ONE LIST.
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Reply by Ilene on 8/18/05 8:50pm
Msg #60066
I've never had a problem getting paid by Lorin i.e. AOS, he is always a pleasure to work with.
When I commit to a closing it is completed expeditiously and under no circumstance would I leave it at the front door for pickup. It is delivered to a Fedex or UPS office or overnight mailbox for safe keeping. Trusting anyone to pick up a package (when anyone could take it) is negligent.
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Reply by John P on 8/18/05 9:42pm
Msg #60071
I have worked for Lorin for almost 8 months and have never had a problem with not getting
paid. His payment policies are clearly stated on his confirmations as well as his expectations
for the Signing Agent, one of which is WHEN the documents must be returned to the Title
Company. If it were me, I would reduce your fee by $30.00 for not getting the documents back to on time.
[e-mail address]
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Reply by Robert Kaiser on 8/18/05 10:25pm
Msg #60082
I am also a Pennsylvania notary that has done over a hundred closings for AOSL (Lorin). I have NEVER had a single problem with getting paid on time. He has ALWAYS been professional, reliable and easy to contact when ever I needed something. I know that no person or company is perfect but Lorin and his company is a great example for all other signing agent companies. I will continue to work for AOSL and highly recommend any other notaries to sign-up with him. Feel free to write me at [e-mail address] for more detail on how it is a pleasure to work for Lorin and his company.
Rob Kaiser
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Reply by Sonya, Esq. on 8/18/05 11:05pm
Msg #60112
I find it amazing that now there are all these postings about how great Lorin is. All anyone has to do is run a search of the previous postings for the last 9 months and they will see that a significant number of people have had problems with Lorin. Those were the postings that I printed for my complaint file. Infact several of those people have contacted me privately so that they can add their complaint to my complaint. I know that I am not the only one because when I called the BBB in Florida and the Attorney Genral's office they questioned why something had not been done about Lorin sooner.
Lets see how many of these postings are real people and not just Lorin signing on numerous times to make himself look good!!! I just want my $ that I worked hard for. And Lorin needs to learn to practice better business ethics. How unprofessional to post a n email to a message board. I must really have him worried.
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Reply by Anonymous on 8/18/05 11:16pm
Msg #60116
Looks like your outnumbered nm
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Reply by Notary on 8/18/05 11:20pm
Msg #60117
Re: Looks like your outnumbered nm
She's not outnumbered when you check out the search button...it appears that Ted really likes them, though, he's always sticking up for him on all of the threads!
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Reply by ANONYMOUS on 8/18/05 11:31pm
Msg #60119
YOU'RE THE ONE THAST SHOULD BE WORRIED. NOW EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR NAME AND HOW UNPROFESSIONAL YOU ARE (NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU CAN'T SPELL OR FORM SENTENCES CORRECTLY). YOU SHOULD READ THE MESSAGE BOARD WITH MORE CARE, MOST OF THE MESSAGES THINK THAT YOU'RE IN THE WRONG AND LORIN IS RIGHT! ALSO YOU SHOULD TAKE A LITTLE MORE CARE WITH WHAT YOU WRITE, YOU'VE CONTRADICTED YOURSELF SAEVERAL TIMES.
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Reply by Sonya on 8/19/05 12:59am
Msg #60127
1. Who is the bad speller?
2. RIFF, reading is fundamental, please reread my posts several times, slooooooooowly, then you might understand them.
3. I do not care what anyone thinks, I make my money and its pbvious by the amount of time that you and others spend on this message Board that you not only have a lot of free time to spend, but are also a coward because you will not post your real name. They have a word for people like you.
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Reply by CaliNotary on 8/19/05 4:22am
Msg #60151
Biggest NotaryRotary cliche
"its pbvious by the amount of time that you and others spend on this message Board that you not only have a lot of free time to spend,"
This is really one of the STUPIDEST arguments that comes up on this board, and it comes up over and over again.
For those of you too brain dead to get it, there are 24 hours in a day. We do not work 24 hours a day. A lot of us do not even work 8 hours in a day on a daily basis. A signing agent can be busy and successful and still have plenty of time to post on this board, even on a daily basis. It can be done while we're home in between signing appointments. It can be done while we're printing out edocs. It can be done before we start work for the day. It can be done after we finish work for the day. It can be done when we have no work scheduled. It can be done while eating Green Eggs and Ham in a house with a mouse.
Anybody who tries to use this as an insult is only showing 1. their complete and utter lack of creative thought and 2. their astounding ignorance of the nature of this job. I see it as an insult on the same level and quality of "I know you are but what am I?".
Try a little harder people. Seriously.
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Reply by Michelle_VA on 8/19/05 10:04am
Msg #60213
I have worked with Lorin for quite some time now and I can say it has been a pleasure. He always conducts himself in a professional manner and has always honored his payment obligations.
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Reply by Sonya on 8/19/05 11:28am
Msg #60244
Do a search of his name and company on this board and other boards. Try #47898 for a start.
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Reply by Rick G. on 8/19/05 10:44am
Msg #60220
Awful lot of time and energy over such a small matter. Don't we have better things to do, re:
generating new business. does Sonja think this is constructive to her business. I know there's alot of companies that wouldn't want to have to worry about a signing agent that's a cronic complainer. Small glitches are the nature of this business. work them out and go on. AOSl has been a large source of my work over the last 2+ years, 2 the tune of 100's of assignments, and i've never been cheated out of a thing. They're easy to do business with, because their out there beating the bushes too, and understand what this is all about.
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Reply by Sonya on 8/19/05 10:56am
Msg #60223
Again, RIFF, there is a big difference between a 'small glitch' and having a history of not paying people. So all of the postings from other people who were not paid by AOSI were just glitches?
Slavery in America ended a long time ago. So I am a complainer because I refuse to work for free? Because a company schedules a signing on the 15th of July, but UPS does not mean the docs until the 16th of July and then the shipping lsbel that they provider is wrong and they try to act like they are not goibng to pay me?
Hell no, I have inconvenienced myself too many times to not be paid for my services. So if when I paid I expect to be compensated than I guess I will have to be considered a complainer and again I ama licensed attorney with a fulltime job, so I doubt if SS will black-list me, they will always call.
Signings are not my bread and buttter, just a way to make alittle extra cash so that my 6 figure salaried physician hubby will not complain so much about the credit card bills.
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Reply by Anonymous on 8/19/05 12:41pm
Msg #60310
Sonya you are an example of why i feel that there sould be no female attorneys. In my 18 plus years in the legal profession, more time than not female attorneys stomped thier feet, made opposing attoneys do overtime (because of thier numerious extra document requests).
Oh! by the way I am a female.
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Reply by Anonymous on 8/19/05 12:44pm
Msg #60311
SPELLING POLICE it should be their(not thier)
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Reply by sonya on 8/19/05 12:48pm
Msg #60315
You are right, I am a horrible spellor. And your point is?
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Reply by sonya on 8/19/05 12:49pm
Msg #60316
You are also obviously a coward. otherwise you would post your real name
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Reply by notarygrl on 8/23/05 10:37pm
Msg #61289
I have also worked for Lorin for over a year and I have always been paid according to the agreed terms. He is a true pleasure to work for and find him to be extremely professional. AOSL will always be my #1 company to work for in this industry. All I have to say about how Sonya has conducted herself is... GROW UP!! If you accept a job "READ THE CONFIRMATION CAREFULLY"!!!! If you feel that you cannot accept the terms don't bash the company if you're the one at fault. Shame on you.
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