Posted by Anonymous on 8/27/05 12:41am
Msg #62135

Certificate of Naturalization acceptable ID in CA?

Hi. Does anyone know if a Certificate of Naturalization is acceptable ID in CA?

Reply by Blueink_CA on 8/27/05 1:00am
Msg #62137

If I remember correctly, I.D. in CA must have a picture, signature, identifiable number and an issue or expiration date. Hope this helps!

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:18am
Msg #62152

"If I remember correctly, I.D. in CA must have a picture, signature, identifiable number and an issue or expiration date."

No, it doesn't help at all since you've just given a 100% incorrect answer. Where on earth did you come up with that criteria? It's not even on the same planet as to what is acceptable ID.

You're a California notary and you're saying "if I remember correctly" on how to properly ID somebody??? This isn't something that should be *if* you remember it. IT'S YOUR GODDAMN JOB TO *KNOW* IT. Shameful.

Reply by NorCalDar on 8/27/05 1:26am
Msg #62140

Reference CA Civil Code 1185 (c) (4) (A-F). That should clear it up for you.

1185 (c)...
(4) Reasonable reliance on the presentation of any one of the following, provided that a
document specified in subparagraphs (A) to (E), inclusive, shall either be current or have been
issued within five years and shall contain a photograph and description of the person named
on it, shall be signed by the person, shall bear a serial or other identifying number, and, in the
event that the document is a passport, shall have been stamped by the United States
Immigration and Naturalization Service:
(A) A passport issued by a foreign government.
(B) A driver’s license issued by a state other than California or by a Canadian or Mexican
public agency authorized to issue drivers’ licenses.
(C) An identification card issued by a state other than California.
(D) An identification card issued by any branch of the armed forces of the United States.
(E) An inmate identification card issued on or after January 1, 1988, by the Department of
Corrections, if the inmate is in custody.
(F) An inmate identification card issued prior to January 1, 1988, by the Department of
Corrections, if the inmate is in custody.

Reply by Anonymous on 8/27/05 1:58am
Msg #62145

The Certificate does not have an expiration date.

Reply by Jenny_CA on 8/27/05 2:05am
Msg #62146

Once a person becomes Naturalized the certificate does not expire. It's not like a training that one has to renew. It can get revoked if you commit a crime.

Reply by Giselle_CA on 8/27/05 2:11am
Msg #62148

Thank you everyone for your information.

Reply by Giselle_CA on 8/27/05 2:13am
Msg #62150

Do you know if the Certificate shows a description of the person and is it signed by which authority? INS or Department of Justice...etc? Any info is much appreciated.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:20am
Msg #62155

What difference does it make whether it includes a description and who signed it?

Reply by Jenny_CA on 8/27/05 2:57am
Msg #62166

Re: www.uscis.gov Hope you get some answers. n/m

Reply by Jenny_CA on 8/27/05 2:42am
Msg #62162

Re: Correction......

Made a mistake, one can not lose citizenship if they commit a crime unless they lied to get it or was ineligilbe for it at the time they became naturalized.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:11am
Msg #62149

Please tell me....

that you're not actually doing loan signings. Please tell me that you just got your notary stamp last week and that you're just notarizing an affadavit for your Aunt Gertrude because the taxidermist who is stuffing her late poodle Fifi requires it.

Because it's really depressing to think that a fellow notary, a position that pretty much exists solely for the purpose of postively and properly identifying people, hasn't even bothered to commit to memory the acceptable ways of identifying people, nor does he have the wherewithal to find the answer to this most basic of questions on his own, in the CA notary manual.

These are the types of questions that really should be ignored on this board. If these people aren't going to take this job seriously enough to learn this kind of stuff on their own, why on earth should we encourage them to go out and represent themselves as our peers when they're obviously clueless?

Reply by Giselle_CA on 8/27/05 2:20am
Msg #62154

Re: Please tell me....CaliNotary where on the CA notary

notary manual states how does a Certificate of Naturalization looks like? I was asking if acceptable since I don't know what type of information it contains.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:26am
Msg #62157

Re: Please tell me....CaliNotary where on the CA notary

Did you not read the response by NorCalDar earlier in the thread? The answer is there in black and white. If you don't already know the answer, and can't comprehend the answer when a list of acceptable ID's is placed right in front of you, you really have no business being a notary. Seriously. If you don't understand notary laws when you read them, how do you expect to uphold them properly?

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/27/05 6:41am
Msg #62174

Re: Please tell me....CaliNotary where on the CA notary -

Giselle:

If you want to e-mail me your fax number I will be happy to fax you over my Certificate of Naturalization so you will know what one looks like

(Click on my link for my information)

Reply by Giselle_CA on 8/27/05 9:22pm
Msg #62271

Thanks, Sylvia for the fax! :) n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/27/05 11:11pm
Msg #62278

Re: Thanks, Sylvia for the fax! :) n/m

You are welcome. I am just glad the fax went through OK. Am having problems sending faxes with the HP 3015 I just bought.

Reply by NorCalDar on 8/28/05 1:34am
Msg #62289

Re: Thanks, Sylvia for the fax! :) n/m

If you are releying on what a Certification of Naturalization looks like, then I haver to agree wi CaliNotary... what are you doing in this business.

Cal Stauture clearly lists acceptable forms of ID. When I read it, I did not see "Certificate of Naturalization" in the list of acceptable forms of ID. As such, EVEN IF I HAVE NOT DOUBT OF THE VALIITY OF THE CERTIFICATE OF NATURALIZATION, it is not listed as a viable form of ID so I would not use it as such. While I could be way off base, as I do not see it listed as an acceptilble form of ID, if someone gave me a genuine "Certificate of naturalization" that did not include the provisions laid out in CA Civil Code 1185, I would not notarize the Doc. END OF STORY!!!

Reply by NorCalDar on 8/27/05 2:21am
Msg #62156

Call me a sucker but...

I think in theory you are right. I take my career seriously enough to spend my time trying to learn and retain all the info I can. I do wish others would do the same. The CA notary Handbook is only a few pages shy of 50 so with minimal effort, my 9 year old could memorize it.

That said, I have a soft spot in my heart for the new notary that takes initiative to at least ask the questions rather than just guess. Yes I am probably contributing to their laziness but everyone has their vices.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:29am
Msg #62158

You're a sucker

Surely you saw that coming.

Reply by NorCalDar on 8/27/05 2:31am
Msg #62159

Re: You're a sucker

yeah but from you...I'll take it as a complement. LOL

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/05 2:39am
Msg #62161

Sigh

You disappoint me. The correct response was "don't call me Shirley". It took me a minute or two to think of a response to you that included the word "surely"!

Reply by NorCalDar on 8/27/05 2:48am
Msg #62163

I'm not as dumb as I look...

nobody's that stupid...Surely you must undersatnd that it's a bit late so surely you must forgive my oversight.