Posted by MORITZ - PETER on 1/11/05 12:35am
Msg #16186

NOTARIES NEED TO TEAM UP!

I have come to the conclusion, while reading all these posts, what back stabbing, miserable people you some of you are! We, as Notaries, need to team together! Instead of sticking a knife in your fellow Notary's back, help one another!!! Having been in this business for over 3 years, you should be receiving a minimum of $100-$200 a signing (includes e-docs). Those of you out there being cheap, rude and undercutting... SHAME on you! Remember, "What goes around, comes around." I earn an incredible income and have an outstanding reputation to boot! There is a lot of complaining for simple things like, if you need to fax something’s back, make an extra copy to have it signed. What's it cost? $1? The Loan Company needs it to get funding immediately. You are a great asset to that company and they will PAY YOU MORE! Please grow up and not become like the world's “’Not my job’ attitude!" Who else in this world can make the money we make simply for signing our name? Come on, CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??? Lori P.S. Need help succeeding? Contact me directly! [e-mail address]. God bless!

Reply by Delvena on 1/11/05 1:24am
Msg #16191

I am new to the business I would appreciate all advice you can give. I service the Cuyahoga County area in Ohio My email adress is [e-mail address] Thanks

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/11/05 4:46am
Msg #16197

Wow, what a charming entry to this group. What is with all these brand new posters who think that they're god's gift to the signing agent community?

Care to share with us which signing services pay $100 - $200 per signing? That's where a lot of us get most of our business from, not title companies.

Reply by Lori on 1/11/05 5:54am
Msg #16208

If you read back in the forum, I have been answering personally, not on the board! I get very disgusted and have gotten quite a few seekers for info and heard some horror stories from "seasoned notaries" that have done the damage. Were you insulting me as to God's gift? I hope not but you need to reach beyond the signing agencies. See, signing agencies do a large number of areas and get the trust of the title company. I did the $50-75 closings to begin, but then the loan officers and title companies saw the great job we were doing and started calling us directly. Niceness and consistency are all they want. As I suggested to a recent writer to my email, as to how to increase, send a professional letter and business card to every title company in your phone book. I give this advise, as it worked for us and i.g. one new notary called his first title company and they hired him to do all their closings and even is training him. See, he was new to the forum, found my response, contacted me directly and told me the horror of how he started writing to people, they would want to help, then when they found out where he was, stopped the help, said they would hurt their business and that is nonsense. Building trust is the key! Contact me directly as to where you are and if I can help.
Lori

Reply by Ronald Philbrick on 1/11/05 7:47am
Msg #16212

lori,How do I reach you?

Reply by MORITZ - PETER on 1/12/05 12:52am
Msg #16321

[e-mail address]

Reply by CarolynCO on 1/11/05 8:07pm
Msg #16277

Lori,
If you want to answer posts personally because the "seasoned notaries" have not candy-coated our replies to newbies, that's up to you. However, you are dead wrong in telling newbies to go after title companies, when it is obvious from newbies posts that many don't even know the difference between a jurat and an acknowledgement; many can't follow simple instructions, i.e., all the forum posts a week ago when the originator poster (a new SS) specifially said to e-mail -- although some of the problem was the fault of the SS because she had a spam blocker enabled, after 3-4 posts asking people to stop giving their personal info online, the messages just kept. Newbies are not title company material -- SS's are somewhat forgiving, but if you screw up with a title company, you have pretty much nailed the nail in your coffin.

You tell us how wrong it is to be rude and mean to newbies, but your attitude and words about seasoned notaries are no different. Be careful of throwing stones if you live in a glass house!

Reply by MORITZ - PETER on 1/12/05 1:19am
Msg #16326

Re: NOTARIES NEED TO TEAM UP! Check it out!

I wasn't being rude to seasoned notaries and I am sorry you think that. I don't throw anything, I just try to help someone. I don't know how you began but if you read my posts, never knock the small beginnings. I never said overlook all $50 closings and jump to the Title Cos. We need to learn somewhere. My Goodness, some people make it sound like it's this big, in-depth signing secret! Just to show how kindness pays off... Here's a story of a man who contacted me because everyone on here was so busy calling him a newbie and wouldn’t answer 1 question, (horrible word... how about Entrepreneur), but look at him now…

Lori,
I am in my second week of HUD training. They are paying per day ( $100 ). It isn't much but I am learning more than I ever knew I would need. Next week I start Closer training. It should last one week and then I will start closing on my own at the downtown office. They have 29 closings scheduled for this Friday. This is normal numbers for this office. I will get 4-5 closings a day easily. I have a meeting Thursday at 8am to firm up my per closing fee. It will be at least $200 per closing, from what other closers have told me. If the closings are mobile they will be more. The distance I travel will push up the price. I am getting a laptop and check printer as told before. I emailed the escrow boss at the main office and told her I was looking for one company to be a signing agent. They called me back in about three hours and scheduled an interview for a signing agent. Half way through the interview the lady asked if I would be interested in being a Contract Closing Agent. And here I am now. I know the Title Cos are pushing for "customer friendly" situations. That might be an angle. Thanks for all your help. When I get "in" downtown I will be happy to get the info for your area. Hope this helps! -G
This was the GREATEST Birthday Present!!!!

Nothing more is needed to be said! He never even closed a loan. The funny thing is... he will be contacting the people in this Rotary to do his assigned closings. As stated before, “What goes around, comes around.” Will everyone hit this great a deal? Maybe or may not but a good attitude and positive feedback is worth the minute you wasted being sarcastic or nasty. You could actually learn something too!

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/12/05 2:38am
Msg #16337

Re: NOTARIES NEED TO TEAM UP! Check it out!

"Here's a story of a man who contacted me because everyone on here was so busy calling him a newbie and wouldn’t answer 1 question"

Why don't you give us the full story and tell us what his one question was? I can't recall ever seeing a thread where a legitimate question was asked and the only responses given were calling somebody a newbie but not answering the question.

Conversely, I can recall plenty of threads where a brand new person comes onto the board and asks a variation of "what do I need to do to get started as a signing agent?" and it's obvious they're hoping for a game plan to be laid out for them without doing any of the legwork themselves.

Now if you want to take it upon yourself to provide personal guidance to these types of posters (or any others as well), have at it. But please spare us the holier than thou tone that so many of your posts seem to have. We're not less evolved simply because we choose not to take on that burden. Some of us feel that the information we provide on this board IS extremely valuable to new and seasoned notaries, even if we don't accentuate our posts with smilies. And by keeping that discourse on the board, it's available for anybody who makes the effort to find and read it, now or in the future. Just as helpful as what you're doing. In fact, probably moreso because a greater number of people are benefitting from it.

Reply by mike/ca on 1/11/05 11:22am
Msg #16235

i agree there are a lot of new names on this board all of a sudden is this the new wave of newbies coming forth?

Reply by sue on 1/11/05 8:13am
Msg #16216

As I was reading this I knew it was you Lori and not Peter!! (need one of those smileys in here). We met at the F.A. meeting last fall. Hope all is going well for you. I naturally lost Peter's card that he gave me.
[e-mail address]

Reply by MORITZ - PETER on 1/12/05 1:46am
Msg #16331

Of course, Peter just reads and loves to see how people act. Thinks are fantastic! Was very, very busy and worried about Aut! Wanted to send flowers but Joe can't remember where she lives...LOL. You know Joe...can't remember if she even lives in the same state! I love them all and hope you are doing well too! Keep in touch! [e-mail address]! (((hey, passed along a signing, anyone call you new?))) Keep on signing! :} Lori

Reply by BrendaTX on 1/11/05 5:12pm
Msg #16258

Lori's Post:

>>I have come to the conclusion, while reading all these posts, what back stabbing, miserable people you some of you are! We, as Notaries, need to team together! Instead of sticking a knife in your fellow Notary's back, help one another!!! Having been in this business for over 3 years, you should be receiving a minimum of $100-$200 a signing (includes e-docs). Those of you out there being cheap, rude and undercutting... SHAME on you! Remember, "What goes around, comes around."<<

>>Those of you out there being cheap, rude and undercutting... SHAME on you! <<

Dear Lori,

It seems you have a lot of enthusiasm and positive things to share with others.

I hope that you will consider the subjective words you used (rude, backstabbing, cheap, miserable, undercutting) and the critical tone (i.e., the "shame" word) belies the message you may really wish to convey.

IMHO, an objective approach to the situation -- without the subjective adjectives -- would be more effective.

Brenda Stone

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/11/05 7:15pm
Msg #16267

You go Brenda!

Lori told me in another post: "You seem to pride yourself on negativity. Relax!". Interesting that her critical tone is perfectly fine, but mine implies pride in negativity? You gotta love hypocrites. What goes around, comes around indeed.

Reply by MORITZ - PETER on 1/12/05 1:35am
Msg #16329

Brenda,
IMHO ... don't know what that means...
Belies? I don't know that one either.
I am not sure the message you wished to convey to me. CaliNotary agrees with you though...

I have received 30 emails and I am more than willing to help! They see a great opportunity and they, like us, don't need to be discouraged. The main point is, together, a network of confident, well-informed entrepreneurs will be the result. I was strictly speaking to the unkind! Lori PS. Please let Cali know my husband and I share the name and when you respond to a posting, it automatically comes up on the log-in AUTHOR. I sign my name to reduce the confusion.

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/12/05 2:01am
Msg #16335

" PS. Please let Cali know my husband and I share the name and when you respond to a posting, it automatically comes up on the log-in AUTHOR. I sign my name to reduce the confusion. "

Yes Brenda, please email me and let me know. Then if you could let Lori know that she obviously knows how to change the posting name since she's already done it, that would be swell. Then you can email be back and tell me what she says. Kisses!

Reply by BrendaTX on 1/12/05 11:38am
Msg #16383

Lori:

From Dictionary.com

Belie means:
"To picture falsely; misrepresent: “He spoke roughly in order to belie his air of gentility” (James Joyce).
---- + ---
IMHO = In my humble opinion
---- + ---

MY RESPONSE:
Lori:
The message BrendaTx was trying to convey, and to which you believe CaliNotary agreed to:

You may be the greatest Cowgirl in the world (second only to me, of course ! ) however, had I not been put off by the *devisive verbal spanking* you might have received one more email.

But, *since you asked* here is my *subjective* opinion,

Your "TEAM UP" topic combined with your shaming speech with subjective use of adjectives such as backstabbing, cutthroat, rude etc. took away from your credibility, and reminded me of signing service calls which have two personalities.

(1) Drip with kindness when they contact the SA

(2) BUT who become the total opposite of that when the SA wants the bill paid post signing.

IMHO is another way to say subjective, so IMHO I believe that whether you mean to or not, you message was really a way to be devisive and say:

"New notaries contact me. We'll team up. I'll be nice to you and tell you what all these bad ol' agents who have been signing for a long time here on NotaryRotary.com won't."

By the way, I have only been signing for a year, so I see myself in the former group more so than the latter.

Brenda Stone

NOTE: This is opinion - not statements of fact about Lori or her company.

Reply by James Kobleur on 1/12/05 2:00am
Msg #16334

I started doing "witness only" closings in Georgia, as a notary, when it was not an attorney only state, and continue to handle witness only closings here as an attorney. Having experience in the market, I understand the pressures we all face and I sure want to see everyone in the business earn an excellent income from it. I have seen a lot of discussion on this and other notary boards concerning setting fees. I just want to add a cautionary note that an agreement among competitors regarding setting standard fees would be illegal under the Federal Anti-Trust laws.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/10/jointventureguidelines.htm#3.2

I don't want to discourage good discussions and I'm certainly not implying that anything I have seen is illegal. I just want to be sure everyone knows that there is a line out there which we can't cross.

Best to all.