Posted by CMS_NY on 9/13/05 11:37pm
Msg #65048

Second Signer, Different Day...Must Bring Acknowledgments

Anyone ever had one of these?

I have to do a signing tomorrow, but the docs were signed in a different state and by a different individual (on monday).

I was told that I have to bring Acknowledments with me tomorrow (wednesday) for the signing. What am I using the acknowledgments for?

Does this sound correct?

TIA

Reply by CaliNotary on 9/13/05 11:44pm
Msg #65049

Re: Second Signer, Different Day...Must Bring Acknowledgment

How would you notarize the docs if you didn't have separate acknowledgements?

Reply by carlosnyc on 9/13/05 11:49pm
Msg #65051

Re: Second Signer, Different Day...Must Bring Acknowledgment

You are going to need those acknowledgments for the signer that you will be notarizing tomorrow. The notary in that other state already used the acks that are in the package..

Reply by DonR_NYC on 9/13/05 11:50pm
Msg #65052

The acknowledgement that you would be using is for the second signer of the document. Otherwise you cannot notarize the second signer since you CANNOT use the acknowledgement utilized by the previous notary with the first signer.

If the first signer did not have his/her signature notarized you CANNOT notarize that individual. You can only notarize for the signer that appeared before you.

Reply by Barry Silver on 9/14/05 12:26am
Msg #65056

It sounds as though you are notarizing the second signer's signature. The forms involved were probably not prepared for two separate signings/notarizations, so you are being required to provide the proper notarial certificate to properly notarize the signature of the person who has to sign before you.

Reply by CMS_NY on 9/14/05 1:27am
Msg #65059

Thanks Guys!

This type of signing is a first for me. I figured that was what was going to be required.

Of course I will be only taking acknowledgment of the borrower signing on that day (wednesday), dated that day (wednesday), and filling in the venue at which it is being signed.

I appreciate all your help!

Reply by Nd_WA on 9/14/05 3:02am
Msg #65062

Re: Thanks Guys!

This type of signing is called a split signing. Make sure there are extra (blank) copies of RTC for your signer(s) as the date will be different.

Reply by thnotary_NY on 9/14/05 7:55am
Msg #65091

Re: Thanks Guys!

I carry a pad of each in my bag, just in case.

Reply by Art_MD on 9/14/05 7:15am
Msg #65083

Take blank jurats also... N/M

Reply by RickinVA on 9/14/05 2:41pm
Msg #65190

Re: Take blank jurats also... N/M

This brings up a point. In VA, the Notary Handbook is lacking in it's coverage. Generally, how does one use a blank ack or jurat. Is it stapled to the doc it references or what? Do we need to reference the doc it refers to? Any details will be gratefully accepted. I have not had to do anything with one.

Rick

Reply by PAW_Fl on 9/14/05 11:11pm
Msg #65288

Re: Take blank jurats also... N/M

I made my own "blank" certificates, both letter size and legal. The bottom half of each certificate has the following:


------------------------------------------------- Optional -----------------------------------------------------------
Though the information below is not required by law, it may prove valuable to persons relying on the document and could prevent fraudulent removal and reattachment of this form to another document.

Description of Attached Document
Title of Document:_____________________________________________________________
Document Date:___________________________ Number of Pages: ___________
Signer(s) Other Than Named Above:________________________________________________
Capacity(ies) Claimed by Signer
[ ] Individual
[ ] Corporate Officer – Title(s): ____________________________________________________
[ ] Attorney in Fact
[ ] Trustee
[ ] Guardian or Conservator
[ ] Other:_____________________________________________________________________


After completing the certificate and optional section, I usually staple it to the page that has the incorrect certificate on it. I also draw a diagonal line through the incorrect certificate and write "See attached certificate" along the line or on the notary signature line.

Reply by RickinVA on 9/15/05 9:23am
Msg #65334

Re: Take blank jurats also... N/M

Thanks, PAW. Now I only(?) have to figure out how to change my certs to a word doc instead of a pdf so I can edit them! <g>

Rick