Posted by Mdene_AZ on 8/2/06 12:26pm
Msg #136725

Accusigning owes me....

Accusigning has owed me since May for 2 signings. Anyone else having a problem???

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 8/2/06 12:30pm
Msg #136727

Use the orange search button and you will find oodles of posts on Accusigning. Also when you recieve a job from a company that is new to you use that orange search button. If they have a reputation for non payment give the signing back to them.

Reply by Ernest__CT on 8/3/06 6:45am
Msg #136765

Oh, oh. Maybe not the best advice.

"If they have a reputation for non payment give the signing back to them."

Once we have accepted an assignment we should carry through with it, unless there are extenuating circumstances, such as the company misrepresenting itself during the course of the booking call (think SOX using a different name). Or if our car breaks down.

Keeping a No No List handy is the best insurance against taking an assignment that we later regret that we could have avoided

IMHO, we're honor-bound to do our best if we accept an assignment.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 8:06am
Msg #136776

Re: Oh, oh. Maybe not the best advice.

**IMHO, we're honor-bound to do our best if we accept an assignment. **

Ernest, You are really a good man. A better man than I am, for sure. I am honor-bound to be loyal the company that provides my bread and butter--that's my company. My company pays MY bills, it keeps me from being problem to my kids and family, it keeps me from being a financial burden to the masses. My priorities are set with these things in mind.

I am not going to let my company get into a non-paying situtation with one of these yayhoos once I know the problem exists because I feel this is a lie and scam from our social engineering. The SA's "social engineering" has been perverse at best.

We have been taught to believe that our protection of self is somehow "wrong."

We have had it verbally beat into us that we are greedy (we want to be paid more than $50), that we are lazy (don't want to fax back for free), that running a true business is somehow not our right. Just take every signing appointment and do it, no matter what.

We have been led to believe that people lose their rate locks because of us. (Oh really? The loan tkes 30 - 60 days to get accomplish and at the last minute they select a signing service who runs a notary auction and all of a sudden that's the RIGHT notary for the job? The one who is paid the LEAST out of this chain has all that power? NO. I don't buy that.)

We have been taught we have to wait on edocs for a diva lender who is more special than anyone and we should push back all signings to suit them?

We have been mocked for writing a business plan that builds enough profit into signing appointments so that we either make money (real business, not a charity) or say to heck with this job, I am working a lot for nothing so...I ain't taking it no more!

The only honor-binding I hold true is that I do not change my schedule to put a better paying client in it's place if I have been dumb enough to accept a $65 appointment and a $225 appointment materializes to beg for the spot. No. I keep the $65 appointment...my bad for underbidding myself.

This is my humble opinion, only, Ernest...I will not *knowingly* continue into a situation which is bad for my company.

Reply by Ernest__CT on 8/3/06 8:27am
Msg #136783

(sigh) Brenda's right (duh!), but I'm not wrong.

Of course we have to look out for ourselves (and families)! We should not knowingly take less than we are worth.

My point was that we should keep our word. We all slip up once in a while, and accept a signing that we regret. My belief is that we should negotiate in good faith, then keep the bargain. That may mean refusing a $XXX signing because we've already accepted a $xx signing for the time slot. It should mean refusing all $40 signings.

Once we have accepted in good faith, the only reasons to cancel are 1) Doing the signing is physically impossible; B) The person offering the appointment has lied to us.

In the second category is the caller who offers us $100 and the confirmation arrives saying $80. That's bait and switch. Of course we should make a call and request written confirmation of the original $100 fee.

A man from SOX called fairly recently and gave me a false company name. When the email confirmation came it was from a SOX email address and had the SOX name in the message body. I cancelled immediately, and told the sender exactly why I was cancelling and to remove all my info from their database. The caller lied to me. That trumps my need to honor a verbal commitment.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 8:57am
Msg #136789

Re: (sigh) Brenda's right (duh!), but I'm not wrong.

No you are definitely NOT wrong!

My view was just another side of the coin.

Reply by Ernest__CT on 8/3/06 8:58am
Msg #136791

Should we open a new thread for discussion w/ all? n/m

Reply by Lee/AR on 8/3/06 10:18am
Msg #136817

My 2 cents... Brenda is right.

Have never had it happen, but I would not hesitate to cancel immediately upon discovering that they have a really bad rep for never paying. My first loyalty is to ME & my business. Simply put: why be a stupid business owner? Additionally, I'm sure we've all had the experience of them pulling a signing out from under you because they found a cheaper notary. What's good for the goose....

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 10:37am
Msg #136823

Re: Should we open a new thread for discussion Sure...

Ernest, this is interesting and debate worthy.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 8/3/06 2:00pm
Msg #136834

I agree with keeping my word until

I find out that the company has a history of not keeping their word on their contract when it comes to payment.

Reply by JLCa on 8/2/06 1:45pm
Msg #136742

They owe me for three, all from 2005. I have sent many e-mails, and several invoices.
Every time I call them I am informed they will investigate, and call me back.
It has now been over a year.

Reply by Terri Johnson on 8/3/06 9:02am
Msg #136793

Nationwide Notaries went out of business and owes me for my services from 6/14/06. I contacted the escrow company and was told their is nothing they can do because they paid them for the case I worked on. Any suggestions!

Reply by Life Saving Services - Doug on 8/3/06 4:33pm
Msg #136869

Business is Business

Used to sell computer and networking services to business mainly in the medical field. We purchased the equipment and had to pay cash on delivery, back when a pc was $2,000 stripped. When a customer lied and was not qualified to pay for the equipment we where stuck with what we purchased as it was usually custom configured.

If we found something wrong with there credit worthiness it was always accceptable to cancel the service. This was the same in other business's as well.

You do not owe any flake company anything, cancel the signing if they are a flake. Why add insult to injury once you know you may not get paid your business decision should be to cancel the order. Call them they can place a deposit in your account, wire it, or make other arrangements prior to the signing. This is done in business normally when it is proven or suspect the client has the inability to pay.

This is not greed so do not let them bully you. We all know they will just call another sucker.

My two cents.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/06 5:06pm
Msg #136881

Re: Business is Business - HUGS from Texas, Doug!!!!

***You do not owe any flake company anything, cancel the signing if they are a flake. Why add insult to injury once you know you may not get paid your business decision should be to cancel the order. Call them they can place a deposit in your account, wire it, or make other arrangements prior to the signing. This is done in business normally when it is proven or suspect the client has the inability to pay.

This is not greed so do not let them bully you. We all know they will just call another sucker.**

Absolutely! Deposit it via Paypal.com and I am there, baby! You choose not to deposit, no signing from me. It's THEIR choice. They do have a choice.

This garbage of the social engineering the notary to be the fall guy for everything has GOT to come to a screaching halt. If we were all that important, we would be paid $500 per signing without question.

Reply by MelissaCT on 8/3/06 9:57pm
Msg #136968

Re: Business is Business - TRUE

You've received a call & provided a quote. They have accepted your quote. If you find they are non-paying, such as SOX (are they related to Signings Plus???), you are not under any obligation to accept their offer. You may withdraw your quote. That's not to say that you should wait until docs arrive or until minutes before the signing to back out. But, business is business.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/4/06 12:25am
Msg #137014

Re: Business is Business - TRUE

There are a lot of people in this industry who have absolutely no business sense. And that's exactly why companies like Accusinging and SOX stay in business, because of morons who think they're honor bound to carry though on a signing even though they know it's not likely that they'll be paid.

The things that make you a good person in life don't necessarily make you a good businessman. There's a HUGE difference between being honorable and being a chump. Honorable people can run successful businesses. Chumps can't.