Posted by Sylvia_FL on 8/29/06 7:22am
Msg #141737
OT: - (sort of) Posting
We are a diverse group of signing agents here, we come from different ethnic backgrounds, different religions and different politics. Before we post we should consider others feelings and make sure our posts will not be offensive to others.
While I don't care too much for the bias in Jahari's posts, he should not be referred to as JJ.
In fact when I see "JJ" I think of someone else who used to frequent message boards a couple or so years ago who we all knew and "Loved" (Loved, said tongue in cheek)
Please, think before posting. Ask yourself if your post could be offensive to others. I was always taught to not discuss religion and politics in mixed company (mixed, not meaning as to sexes, but as to different religious and political persuasions)
(This post is not intended for any particular person, but for all who are reading in here)
| Reply by Pamela on 8/29/06 9:00am
Msg #141762
Sylvia, Re: OT: - (sort of) Posting
Sylvia Good Morning,
As I have said before, you are a very nice person.
Too bad there are others who do not employ your character.
Aside from religious and political issues, there are notaries
on this forum (one in specific who resides in California),
who constantly responds by insulting others;has a very
filthy mouth and attitude.
I do not have a problem discussing politics or religion
with anyone, especially when evangelizing (One of
my undergraduate degrees is in Communications;
love a good debate.).
A healthy discussion, no matter what the topic, can be
a learning experience for all involved. However, if the audience
have said enough and the discussion turns into a "furious battle",
time to end it. Once people have been alienated, they will no
longer hear. The message will become diluted and the
messenger despised.
Again Sylvia, you are one very nice person.
May God Bless,
Pam
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 10:04am
Msg #141775
Sylvia, this is a great post and in defense of myself, my posts yesterday were not political. They were current and world events posts made so because someone cut and pasted two lines from one and commented on them in an attempt to score points.
I've repeatedly asked for people here not to call me "JJ" or "Jihad" and to respect that I was given a name at birth and to use it. Those that stopped, thank you. I know who is responsible for it and I accept their apology. I apologize to those I falsely accused of starting it. People have questioned my patriotism and my allegiance to this country because I feel strongly about it, the state of it and the desire to make it better. For this I am "un-American?" I'm not trying to start a fight out of Sylvia's post but good god, when have I ever done this to any of you? Questioned you patriotism? Questioned your alliegiance to this country? Asked you if you were an American? If anything I've challenged you to find it within yourselves. I've been called a radical by some but I would much rather be radical than be complacent and silent.
Here's something none of you know about me. I have the Declaration of Independance, All 4 pages of the US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights framed. I know them up and down and memorized them when I was in high school. So to answer the question for the final time, yes. I am very much an American, I love my country, would fight for you even though you may not fight for me and I'm not afraid to speak truth to power.
I dont know what created this bitter divisiveness in our country but its gotta stop. We're all Americans and we can all agree we want a better country than the one we fell asleep in the night before and that is my aim. The only way we'll do that is with self-examination. Thats my agenda. There's a lot of hypocracy in our society and its not just political. For instance, have you ever looked at the women's magazines where plastered on the front, you have "Lose 10 lbs in a week" but you have a recipe for some dessert in the corner? I find that incredible! When I pointed that out to coworkers and friends, they laughed because they never paid attention to it. No one had noticed it and were shocked when I point it out to them. And us guys? Take your pick.
The part where I will disagree with Sylvia is where she said that she was taught not to discuss politics and religion in mixed company. I strongly disagree with that because that is what prevents the exchanging of ideas from happening, creates "group think" mentality and prevents growth. The best thing you can do for the betterment of society, the country and the world is to disagree. Because from that disagreement, a dialog can be established and solutions found. In my posts I have repeatedly asked for the positions, ideas, and evidence to support positions in opposition to mine and instead I get slammed for it. Diplomacy is what keeps the peace. Not name calling, slamming, sniping, or flat out disrepect of others and their ideas and positions. The world including this board is in need of a lot of that. I admit my responsibility here and now and apologize for some of the derogatory comments I've posted in the past.
| Reply by Stamper_WI on 8/29/06 10:37am
Msg #141785
I don't know about you folks in bigger populations of notaries but when I do a search for notaries in my area and come upon the Notary Rotary link and click on myself, my most recent posts are there for review. I am concious of what I say in each post because I doubt very much the searcher is going to take the time to view the whole conversation and will view it out of context.
Mindfull consideration in what you say as a professional notary here and at the table.
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 10:50am
Msg #141791
Does Anyone Know...
...if you post in the NotRot forum w/o linking to your profile, do those posts show when someone doing a search views your profile? Or do only those posts in which you link to your profile become a part of what an "outsider" sees?
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 10:54am
Msg #141792
Re: Does Anyone Know...
AmI getting a sense that there is a downside to removing the Anonymous forum ID? Is it really necessary for an outsider to see a notary's posts when searching for a notary?
| Reply by BrendaTx on 8/29/06 11:00am
Msg #141795
Re: Does Anyone Know...
It's not a problem to me if all my posts are viewed by every title company in the world.
I want them to *know* who they are hiring to go into people's homes.
| Reply by John_NorCal on 8/29/06 11:06am
Msg #141798
Re: Does Anyone Know...
**Is it really necessary for an outsider to see a notary's posts when searching for a notary?**
It helps when what is seen is related to signing work, things that might put you a cut above the last person they spoke with.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 8/29/06 11:09am
Msg #141800
Re: Does Anyone Know...
It's my impression that only the linked profiles get their posts linked to them.
This was from a post someone else made.
Brenda
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 11:29am
Msg #141810
If That's the Case...
...it bolsters my contention that one method for dealing with some of the rude, crude & lewd discourse on the NotRot board would be for each poster's messages to be automatically tied to their public profile. It MIGHT serve as a deterrent for some of the more profane posters if they knew their vile words could possibly be reviewed by someone searching for a Notary in their area.
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 3:41pm
Msg #141905
What the hell do you care Dennis?
The ONLY thing you ever contribute to this board is b*tching and whining about the rules , your freakish obsession with having people's profiles being linked to their posts, and occasional holy rolling. You ride in on your high horse, spout your sanctimonious drivel to reinflate your ego, then float out on a cloud of self importance.
So your opinion really doesn't mean jack shit to 99.9% of us as you're basically a non-entity here.
| Reply by Pamela on 8/29/06 7:26pm
Msg #141950
Dennis!
Hello Dennis!
I agree with you 100 percent. A perfect example is Calinotary.
This "person" (and I use the term loosely) insists on name calling etc. . .
Although irritating and obnoxious, he (or she) is permitted to freely use
vile language, and viciously attack those persons whom dare to oppose
him (or her).
There were many complaints about "anons" on the board, yet Calinotary
is still permitted to post messages here, and is welcomed by
those very same people! Unbelievable! This is hypocrisy at its best!
What we are dealing with here is spiritual warfare. Plain and simple.
Those who have adverse souls do not mind the bashing, name calling etc. . .
and will hurriedly come to this person's defense (while quickly attacking
someone else).
While Jahari is unfairly ridiculed and "reported", accolades are
bestowed on the "benevolent" Calinotary because he or she
gives "good advice"? I find this way of thought amusing!
Calinotary's vulgarity of speech and attitude is unacceptable
to decent men and women.
No matter what the title, position, age or knowledge, persons of good
character, do not viciously attack other human beings.
And those individuals who defend this type of behaviour is
just as bad, if not worse!
Dennis, you have told the truth on all your posts, and
those with a "splinter" in their eye, cannot accept it!
Pam
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 9:44pm
Msg #141979
You know you love me baby
why try to hide it?
| Reply by Becca_FL on 8/29/06 10:49pm
Msg #142006
Pam! "What we are dealing with here is spiritual warfare" ??
WTF? Get REAL. Have you forgotten that this IS a Notary message board?
| Reply by Charm_AL on 8/29/06 10:57am
Msg #141793
great post Sylvia...
***The part where I will disagree with Sylvia is where she said that she was taught not to discuss politics and religion in mixed company. I strongly disagree with that because that is what prevents the exchanging of ideas from happening, creates "group think" mentality and prevents growth. The best thing you can do for the betterment of society, the country and the world is to disagree. Because from that disagreement, a dialog can be established and solutions found. In my posts I have repeatedly asked for the positions, ideas, and evidence to support positions in opposition to mine and instead I get slammed for it. ***
***Diplomacy is what keeps the peace. Not name calling, slamming, sniping, or flat out disrepect of others and their ideas and positions. The world including this board is in need of a lot of that. I admit my responsibility here and now and apologize for some of the derogatory comments I've posted in the past.***
Jahari, last I looked this was a forum for discussing notarial business, etc, there's a pretty good hint in the name of the website.
It doesn't say PoliticalRotary or ReligiousRotary or MediaRotary. You need to stop flapping your lips and start hearing. Listening is a skill, one which you need some extreme pratice of.
Again, I'll say what I said a month ago. Make yourself a blog and start your political, religious and other heated media topics there.
This is NOT the place for it and that is why you get slammed, when are you going to actually hear what is said to you?????????? We don't WANT TO HEAR IT.
What your opinions are of what 'the world is in need of' are YOUR opinions, take them to a place where people want to talk about them and stop shoving them down our thoats, too simple, don't you agree?
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 11:20am
Msg #141807
You Might Want to be Careful...
...with your choice of the word "we" in the context you're using it (We don't WANT TO HEAR IT). It seems rather presumptious on your part to assume to speak for every single participant on the board in the manner you've just posted. If you stated your particular "group" or "faction" doesn't want to hear it, then I'd not have a quarrel with your use of the word. The tenor of your comments implies we're (everyone on the board) all in agreement Jahari should be silenced for his political rhetoric. I for one am not of that opinion & there appears to be a few others who don't either. While I'm in complete & total disagreement with Jahari's political ramblings of our society's ills, I'm not in favor of squelching his abililty to post them here either. Just MY humble opinion & it doesn't necessarily represent any other NotRot board participant's view.
| Reply by Charm_AL on 8/29/06 11:30am
Msg #141811
Re: You Might Want to be Careful...
Well Dennis if you want to get technical...this is the sentance that provoked my 'we'
"In my posts I have repeatedly asked for the positions, ideas, and evidence to support positions in opposition to mine and instead I get slammed for it."
Ok, you and a few others want to see these posts here. My aplogies. Maybe I should have worded it as 99.9% of the everyday posters.
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 11:32am
Msg #141812
99.9%?
Not to be technical, but may I ask where you came up with that figure?
| Reply by Charm_AL on 8/29/06 1:29pm
Msg #141857
Re: 99.9%?
I'm not sure that you could be technical Dennis, and in this case, it's not like I was proposing some tertiary derivitive...
It's simply a comparitive relation between two ratios, and some simple algebra.
If you take the entire NotRot population 'is to' 100% and compare that to bestcal, Jahari, and yourself 'is to' X and solve for X. (actually delta X, because there needs to be a fudge factor for bestcal in case it's Erin)
Now lets say 30, 030 as the total NotRot population represents 100%.
(i.e. 30,030 is to 100 as 3 is to X or as frations... 30,030/100 is to 3/X) therefore we have 30,030x = 3 or x=.01. Now subtracting .01 from 100, we get 99.99.
For the sake of brevity, I only stipulated the 'tenths' precision due to the delta.
Now, I'm off to call some Florida family. Have a wonderful day.
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 1:32pm
Msg #141860
I Think Your "Statistics"...
...speak for themselves.
| Reply by Winston_Tn on 8/29/06 2:40pm
Msg #141882
Re: I Think Your "Statistics"...
Although the math was flawless, I believe the statistics may have been dramatized to assist in the declaration of proof as to your last several posts in this thread being obtuse, inane, and totally lack of humor or common sense.
I truely feel your pain, as you have obviously awakened on the wrong side of life. You seem to be equally as defensive and antaganistic as Jahari.
Isn't it easy to parse an argument desperately attempting to discover one small flaw such as 'we' instead of 'I', or question statistics in common statements such as '99.9% of..." . In this way, one can hopefully diminish the entire argument by pointing out a single error in an, oft inobtrusive to the point , argument or opinion.
Although one might argue that Jahari has the right to post, one cannot deny that politics and religion cause animosity among even the tightest families and friends. Therefore, unless one was purposely trying to disrupt a public forum, these topics should be treated as they are among civil societies, and treaded lightly unless the quarum is in agreement to discuss said topics.
BTW...The quarum is 99.9% in disageement with discussing these topics( see above for math )
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 3:41pm
Msg #141904
Your "Quorum"...
...is statistically flawed.
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 3:45pm
Msg #141906
Your "Opinion"...
is as worthless as an NNA certification
| Reply by Pamela on 8/29/06 7:50pm
Msg #141958
Calinotary, Re: Your "Opinion"...
Worthless? Do your homework!
Ask the NNA how much money did they net on those
"worthless" certificates?
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 8:29pm
Msg #141962
Re: Calinotary, Re: Your "Opinion"...
Pam, the NNA is laughing all the way to the bank. They sold all of these notaries, hook, line and sinker. Do you think they are turning out the highest quality notaries? No. They turn out notaries and tell them they are "certified" just because a notary passed their test. They mislead the notary...the notary thinks they are ready to go put their stamps on some docs. WRONG! C'mon Pam...don't you ever read the questions on this board?
Brenda, please enlighten Pam here about Ms. Julia Walden and all of the certifications she held. Thanks, Brenda.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 8/29/06 8:55pm
Msg #141965
Re: Calinotary, Re: Your "Opinion"...
**Brenda, please enlighten Pam here about Ms. Julia Walden and all of the certifications she held. Thanks, Brenda.**
I have *not* read the context of why this has been requested, but here it is again, Kyle...
=======================
Mrs. Julia Walden, a Country Notary
=======================
In 1983 my parents bought a Burgundy 1982 Oldsmobile Cutless Supreme for me. After the initial purchase they decided to put it into my name. We needed a notary to make the title transfer so we dropped in on Mrs. Julia Walden.
As long as I can remember, Mrs. Walden had her little sign out beside her front door which faced Texas State Highway 36. When we went there about the car, next door was the Sonic, and behind her was the new post office sitting right next to the new girls' softball field. Mrs. Walden's little notary sign had stood outside her home long before these modern structures were built replacing the dense brushy foliage, the poison oak, and huge native pecan trees that are so prolific along the Brazos River.
Mrs. Walden was still notarizing documents up until her death at the age of 93. She died three years ago.
If you lived in the the part of Brazoria County known as "West of the Brazos" you went to Mrs. Walden for your notary needs. It did not matter what kind of documents you showed up with, Mrs. Walden was going to notarize your signature on them for you and do it correctly.
If you had a deed and needed the notary's acknowledgment completed, everybody would direct you to go see Mrs. Julia Walden, Notary Public, in and for the State of Texas.
Need your signature on the Power of Attorney notarized?
Transferring a car title?
Selling a manufactured home?
Adoption papers?
Affidavits?
Even if you had a will to get signed, no problem, go by and see Mrs. Walden. Mrs. Walden knew her notary "stuff."
If you would have taken her a pile of loan documents, she might have not fooled around with pointing to the signature line on the Truth in Lending statement, or the Notice of Right to Cancel and getting it dated it properly because these are not notarized documents, but I assure you that she would have notarized every single signature in that stack of documents perfectly where required.
Mrs. Walden did not care what you brought to her for notarization, she knew how to identify you properly by the laws in place on the date of your visit, how to complete a jurat or an acknowledgment, administer an oath where appropriate, and she kept a notary journal.
She made her living as a notary and as a tax preparation service.
Mrs. Walden did not ever hear the term "Notary Signing Agent" yet she could have performed her notarial duties on a stack of loan documents with the greatest of ease.
What? She could do that without having had one certification class?
Yes. Absolutely. Notarizations of signatures are notarizations of signatures. At age 93, and never having heard the phrase "notary signing agent," Mrs. Walden could have thumbed through the documents and found the proper place for the signatures and completed each notarization perfectly.
I read the notary forums regularly, as you know. What I am finding very disturbing about the questions there is the fact that "notary signing agents" do not "get it" that they are public notaries who do not need to review the contents of documents to know how to notarize the signatures on them properly.
Recently posted items on NotaryRotary.com include questions such as:
------In reference to a set of legal documents related to securing a patent, "Anyone know what is the proper way to notarize it? Thanks."------
and
-------In reference to a set of legal documents related to adoptions, "Is there anything unique about these docs?"------
I assure you that Mrs. Walden would not have had to ask this question. That's because she understood that a notary does the same thing each and every time depending on the type of notarial certficate attached to the document.
Notaries who heard of the loan signing opportunity to make extra income as a notary signing agent need to recognize this:
If you are a loan signer who became a notary to do primarily loan document work, that's great, but you are still a notary public.
If you are going to do general notarizations, divorce your handling method of general notarizations from your knowledge gained as a notary signing agent. You do not need to have some part in understanding the documents, interpreting them, or introducing these documents to the signer who presents them to you unless you are instructed by a hiring company to do so.
And, if this is required of you, you need specific instructions from the hiring company as to what you should say if they are of legal importance because you are not a psuedo-lawyer. You are not there to be important. You are only there as a courtesy to notarize signatures.
As a notary public, unless you are hired and trained by a personal of legal authority in matters such as adoption, for instance, you do not need to get into the business of the adoption, or what the papers say. You need to notarize signatures on the documents. Nothing more.
The notary explains nothing. The notary can only witness and notarize the signature. The notary must function according to the rules of the notary's state.
In Texas, a notary public's function is described like this:
The primary duty of a Notary Public is to show that a disinterested party (the Notary Public) has duly notified the signer of an instrument as to the importance of such document, and the signer of such document has declared that the signer's identity, signature, and reasons for signing such instrument are genuine. The signature and seal of a Notary Public do not prove these facts conclusively, but provide prima facie proof of them, and allow persons in trade and commerce to rely upon the truth and veracity of the Notary Public as a third party who has no personal interest in the transaction.
I feel relatively sure, without seeking proof of the same, that other states have a similar general description of the notary's function.
It's quite possible you have been trained in a class to do signing agent work. More than likely seems to be the case in recent years. You may have taken classes to learn to market yourself and to properly point to the blanks where the borrower should be signing. You have been trained to print and courier loan documents and to introduce each one properly, but you are not to act as a legal authority.
Put boundaries on your notary signing agent function. Do not let the concepts of "knowing" about the documents bleed over into your general notarization work.
Since you have not been trained to do so with all types of legal documents, upon presentation of legal documents to you for notarization of signatures remember that it is not your job on regular notary work to understand the documents presented to you.
Learn your handbook well because your notarial commission is based in law, not in a concept such as the function of a notary signing agent. In the eyes of the Texas Secretary of State, loan signers basically do not exist. Notaries do.
Mrs. Walden's Untimely Death at age 93
In over 18 years the little town of Brazoria, Texas has not had a murder happen within its city limits.
The local newspaper articles shocked all of southern Brazoria County with a grisly tale of her son, Tommy, finding her dead in one late spring morning in 2003 obviously murdered by suffocation after a struggle which left lacerations on her forearms.
Her notary commission would not expire for another two years. She was 93 when she died.
The Houston Chronicle reported it like this:
The brothers, adopted when they were children, always struck outsiders as opposites.
"One was bad, and one was good. It's just like Cain and Abel," said Albert Weaver, 60, a family friend.
Brazoria, a town of 3,000 on the west bank of the Brazos River, hasn't had a homicide in at least 18 years. The only detective on the six-officer police force had known Johnny Walden since junior high.
After Julia Walden's funeral Saturday, the detective, Gary Epps, said Johnny approached him at the back of the church, saying he needed to talk.
On Monday morning, Epps picked him up at his small house behind Walden's brick home and took him to the police station.
Johnny, who had taken a polygraph on Friday that had shown some inconsistencies, was clearly troubled.
"He asked a lot of different questions about what would happen to someone for doing something like this, and could they get help," Epps said. "I told him personally, if it was me, I'd probably sleep a lot better at night knowing I had gotten it off my conscience."
Johnny then tearfully described how he killed his mother, Epps said.
On the night of May 20, Johnny told Epps, he and his mother argued over whether he had been molested by a baby sitter as a child.
Walden insisted he had not been, then went to bed. Early the next morning, police said, he smothered her with a pillow.
Her friends became concerned when the drapes remained closed and the porch light stayed on through the next day. Tommy found her body when he came home from work.
The town was shocked. Walden had been a part of their lives for years, working as a notary out of her home, even preparing taxes and wills in years past.
"Her mind was good, to be in her 90s," said Loyce Hutson, the owner of a local real estate brokerage. "The town feels a great loss because she's been here forever."
Even at 93, Walden, a devout Jehovah's Witness, continued to go door-to-door bearing witness to her faith. Though still energetic, she had quit driving a few years ago at the urging of her 16-year-old grandson, Johnny's son.
Her husband, Bill, had left her many years earlier and married another woman, friends said, and she raised the boys by herself.
"It just isn't fair for her to be 93 - to fight so long for life - and then have it taken away," said Doris Weaver, 52, who said she considered Julia her spiritual guide.
Tommy Walden, an electrician who is 18 months younger than his brother, declined to be interviewed, saying his mother wouldn't want her picture in the newspaper or a story written about her.
Tommy, who had shared the house with his mother after Johnny joined the Army, had urged his mother not to let his brother return home, said Sheryl Anderson, Johnny's ex-wife. Anderson said she and her 16-year-old son did the same.
"But she did, and he was here one month and now she's gone. I guess she felt sorry for him. When we heard she was dead, we all knew exactly who it was. We just all pointed at him 'cause he had a mean streak in him," said Anderson, 38, adding that Johnny had beaten her during their eight-year marriage.
Her son, Jonathon, she said, is devastated by his grandmother's death, but feels nothing for his father.
"Tommy was more of a father figure than his daddy ever was," said Anderson, who delivers pizzas for a living. "My son has practically been raised by her. She made sure he had lunch money. Made sure he had gas. If she didn't have it, Tommy made sure he had it."
In her will, Walden left everything she had to Tommy, with instructions to take care of her grandson, said Agnes White, 76, a close friend. "We're all just devastated."
Mrs. Walden was a fixture in the little community where my mother still lives and where I chose to raise my son.
As a notary myself, I needed the occasional item notarized and I went to Mrs. Walden's little house to get the job done when I did not want one of the other legal secretaries in on whatever business of mine the notarization pertained to.
She was a true professional,so very different from those of us who now make our livings as notaries. The reason for this story is to make her more human, to make her more real in your mind and to deliver a lasting message to you that this little elderly lady in Brazoria, Texas could have done the notarizations we do with no problem because she knew her notary rules.
No stack of documents would have daunted her and she never took a single notary class. I had occasion to observe her and have no doubt that she did, in fact, know her notary rules well.
| Reply by Kyle Ledgard on 8/29/06 9:05pm
Msg #141969
Thank Brenda....Now Pam...
Having read this, how important are these "certifications" in reality if you know your notary law inside and out?
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 9:21pm
Msg #141971
Re: Thank Brenda....Now Pam...
Proof of your knowledge of Notary Laws and a great marketing tool. The same can be said for Bachelors, Masters or PH.D degrees. They are proof of knowledge and a marketing tool to get you the job.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 9:25pm
Msg #141973
Re: Thank Brenda....Now Pam...
And how many people with college degrees are either not using them in the field they got them? Certifications are nice and well but it doesn't guarentee (sp?) that you will be hired to notarize a document. Here, the NNA is telling someone they can make 6 figures. The test is taken once. Does it prove you've kept up on your notary laws? No. You don't necessarily need to be certified to be able to notarize a document.
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 9:39pm
Msg #141977
Be fair Kyle
It seems to me that Pam was saying that they're huge moneymakers for the NNA so not worthless from that perspective. I didn't at all get the impression that she was defending them.
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 9:37pm
Msg #141976
Re: Calinotary, Re: Your "Opinion"...
Heh, well you've got me there, they are definitely very valuable for the NNA. Just completely worthless to anyone who possesses one.
| Reply by Becca_FL on 8/29/06 10:53pm
Msg #142011
They ARE worthless. Just read some of the...
dumb-ass questions asked by newly "certified" Notaries. I find it hilarious that they were suckered in on a HUGE scam....Feeble minds...easily influenced.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 8:36pm
Msg #141964
Shout out to Harry! Read this thread for Calinotary's posts
Harry, take note of CaliNotary's posts to Dennis in this thread. Then take a look at Calinotary's posts in past threads. I will again site Section II Paragraph 4 regarding Netiquitte which reads:
****Do not personally attack, insult or degrade other users or companies. If you are going to bash a company's reputation, be prepared to provide concrete and substantial proof of your allegation. If you are going to confront another user or dispute a post, do so on a rational and constructive basis with the facts in hand. Debate is always healthy.****
In this particular incident, Calinotary has bashed, slammed, name called, and demeaned Dennis. Dennis is pointing out the rules and asking for proof of an opposing viewpoint on the rules of this forum. Calinotary is kicking and screaming and is in violation of them because he does not care about the rules as they are laid out for ths forum. Dennis's opinions are just as valid as Calinotary's venomous posted comments and opinions as they are not constructive, and are instead meanspirited, hurtful to others in this forum and derogatory.
Please help with this as the board becomes less civil once Calinotary posts to it.
Thank you.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 9:34pm
Msg #141975
I beg to differ...
I see Cali calling a spade a spade. I also think the board becomes less civil once YOU post. So chill, Jahari. If you want people to respect you and the name you were given, then give some respect first. Its a 2 way street!
Cali wasn't talking to you was he? Did you bother addressing this in the "Feedback Forum"? This forum "...is only lightly moderated..."
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 9:41pm
Msg #141978
Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
Not that I'm actually calling anyone in particular a big fat crybaby (or a whiny girly man for that matter), just asking a strictly rhetorical question.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 9:44pm
Msg #141980
Re: Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
Well, Cali, the rule #4 says..."Do not personally attack, insult or degrade other users or companies. If you are going to bash...be prepared to provide concrete and substantial proof of your allegation."
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/06 9:50pm
Msg #141983
Re: Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
Ahhhh. Now another question. If somebody has made repeated comments on this board about what his name is and isn't (we'll just call him Bob), then if we refer to bob as, oh, I don't know, off the top of my head I'll say KK, can Bob really take that as a personal attack when he's already thrown several hissy fits saying that he isn't KK?
So if I were to say (hypotheically of course) KK is a big fat crybaby and a big girly man, Bob couldn't POSSIBLY think I was referring to him, could he?
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 10:01pm
Msg #141989
Re: Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
I don't see how he could, especially if Bob is as dense as a 2x4. (hypothetically speaking, of course)
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/30/06 12:10am
Msg #142026
Note to self
Message 140195
Just in case I need to borrow some of the wording.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/30/06 7:32am
Msg #142048
Re: Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
Dont be flippant Cali. We all know who you are referring to and talking about. So just stop.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/30/06 8:25am
Msg #142063
Re: Is calling someone a big fat crybaby a violation?
The way I read it...he was just trying to understand the rules better and his questions were purely hypothetical. How could you tell who he was talking about? Your name is Jahari, right? That was the name you were given. Your not KK or Bob, correct?
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/30/06 11:43am
Msg #142136
I knew that note to self would come in handy
But I'm feeling too lazy to alter it so I'll just copy and paste as is, the general idea is the same:
You used the word "gay" Cali. I didnt. Do a word search of all my posts and you will find I've NEVER used the word "gay" until this post in response to yours. I joke and I kidd about how much he thinks of me in his posts but I've never come out directly and said "Dude you're gay."
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 8/29/06 11:21pm
Msg #142023
Re: Shout out to Harry! Oh believe me..WE have (emphasis we)
As Calinotary has been here, and offering very sound, PRACTICAL information about signings, without all the pretty bows, empty promises, and OT nonsense for what...three or four years now? He is immensely valuable for practical advice on doing loan signings full time. His personal style is about as distinctive as yours, Mr. Jello.
See, Jello can't take a stand. Jello has no definite standards or boundaries. Jello moves every which way in order to stay upright as IT HAS NO SUBSTANCE.
Cali, on the other hand is like a 100 yr old Oak Tree to your forty-nice cent Jello. He has opinions and we all know them. You on the other hand have no identity except to mess with people and their beliefs.
Cali POSTS ABOUT LOAN SIGNINGS AND HELPS OTHERS WITH LOAN SIGNINGS...unlike you and your blatherings about social injustice.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/30/06 8:23am
Msg #142062
Wow, more rules violations!
TG, Cali, Kyle, please just stop complaining now that the rules have been posted in the forum for all to read and see. Your comments repeatedly violate the rules and this thread is no different. You dont want to like me. Thats fine. I'm not asking you to. But keep it off the board. To use your own words, this is a Notary forum. Now if this were a community, that would be different. You can no longer quote rules that do not exist or violate the ones that do exist. You can no longer slam, snipe, or attack those with viewpoints opposite yours. I've apologized for many of the comments and negative posts I've left in response to many of yours and others. I encourage you to do the same and move on beyond that.
And BTW Sue and CaliNotary, I have posted many answers to many questions others especially new notaries have had regarding new notary issues when they are starting out. I have also been a strong advocate for notary bargaining power as it relates to fees and railing against lowballing signing services on this very forum. More so than yourself, CaliNotary, Kyle and MichiganAl, who have many years of experience on me as an SA.
So why not direct whatever energy you were aiming at me through negative posts at a progressive movement for fair and equitable notary fees from Title Companies and Signing Services. Teach new notaries how not to be in the race to the bottom. Be the wind on someone's back, and not a wind in their face pushing them backward or holding them in place.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/30/06 8:33am
Msg #142067
Re: Wow, more rules violations!
"So why not direct whatever energy you were aiming at me through negative posts at a progressive movement for fair and equitable notary fees from Title Companies and Signing Services. Teach new notaries how not to be in the race to the bottom. Be the wind on someone's back, and not a wind in their face pushing them backward or holding them in place."
I've been doing this. You may not always see it because of your OT posts. I do network with about 10 other notaries here in San Diego and work together discussing marketing options, fees we each charge and have created a referral network so don't suggest I do something...I am already doing it. As for "You don't want to like me", have you bothered to read msg #141966? Doesn't seem like it.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/30/06 8:42am
Msg #142069
Great Kyle, keep doing that. n/m
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/30/06 8:46am
Msg #142070
Just read 141966, sorry I missed it. All good by me Kyle n/m
| Reply by CaliNotary on 8/30/06 12:08am
Msg #142025
Harry might also want to read message 139566
Seems like I'm not the only one violating Section II Paragraph 4.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/30/06 5:57am
Msg #142041
Cali, what about #138858? n/m
| Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 8/30/06 9:10am
Msg #142076
Re: Cali, what about #138858?
I remember when that was originally posted. I have never seen a more blantant attempt at threatening a member in any message board I have ever been on. Thank you for bringing this up again Kyle. Has anyone brought this to Harry's attention?
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/30/06 3:06pm
Msg #142242
For this to be taken as a threat is laughable. Here's why...
People, to call this a threat is a huge reach.
1.) I never once threatened Al with physical, mental, emotional, or verbal violence.
2.) If you notice, I suggested very public places for meeting venues and offered to buy him coffee.
3.) I suggested he bring a friend.
All security elements were to his favor. Not mine. I left myself open more than he would have been at either venue. The harshed element wished upon Al was that I watch him choke on the coffee as he hims and haws while looking me in the face trying to justify his public statement that I was a liar. So unless Al is allergic to caffeine, can force drinks to go down the wrong windpipe or has a bad diabetic reaction via his nasal airways to sweet smells of donuts and cinnamon rolls you have no presence of a threat and no case. Stop trying to fabricate one.
| Reply by Winston_Tn on 8/29/06 4:34pm
Msg #141918
Re: Your "Quorum"...
I rest my case Mr Stick-up-your-No-substance-posts
A quorum is simply a minimum number required for a valid meeting.
The percentage didn't mean a thing. The statistical flaw is in your perception.
I feel your pain....
| Reply by Winston_Tn on 8/29/06 4:43pm
Msg #141922
Re: Your "Quorum"...
I believe what is really under your skin is the fact that you have previously
been personally slapped for your religious diatribes in this forum, and
you now look for any opportunity to substantiate your own mistakes, even at the risk
of making another. I feel your pain.....
| Reply by BrendaTx on 8/29/06 5:20pm
Msg #141926
Re: I Think Your "Statistics"...
This is my personal take on it. You said it very nicely, Winston. We all have the right to post whatever agrees with the light moderation of the forum.
If I take a swipe at something dear to another, I can expect a consequence. (This was the gist of my Action vs. Consequence post earlier.)
To put it bluntly, I am sick of being of being *repeatedly* enlightened about politics and my spiritual beliefs on a notary forum. (Where is the NotaryRotary.com vomitorium?) If you want to enlighten me repeatedly about something *here*, enlighten me on my notary signing agent business. ("Repeatedly" is the operative word here.)
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Responding to Winston's post: "Although one might argue that Jahari has the right to post, one cannot deny that politics and religion cause animosity among even the tightest families and friends. Therefore, unless one was purposely trying to disrupt a public forum, these topics should be treated as they are among civil societies, and treaded lightly unless the quarum is in agreement to discuss said topics."
| Reply by Pamela on 8/29/06 7:46pm
Msg #141956
Dennis,
You are an Excellent Orator and fine person!
Pam
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 11:36am
Msg #141814
Community or strictly notary forum?
So I'm guessing that includes JonBenet Ramsey posts, Andre Agassi posts, sex jokes, movie reviews, recipes, fundraising for friends with sick pets, choosing nicknames for me, etc.? Charm, a lot of people say "this is a notary forum, that has no place here" yet there are posts about things unrelated to the notary business all over this very board. If people are going to give me a tougue lashing because of my posts be they about politics, the weather, or George Bush eating corn flakes for breakfast, then everyone else should get the same lashing because of their non-notary related posts. If this is a community which I have heard and read some refer to this forum as, then let it be a community. Lets be fair here. One or the other.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 11:48am
Msg #141818
Re: Community or strictly notary forum?
***So I'm guessing that includes JonBenet Ramsey posts, Andre Agassi posts, sex jokes, movie reviews, recipes, fundraising for friends with sick pets, choosing nicknames for me, etc.? ***
I think I should make it clear that I am not opposed to these kinds of posts, with the exception of choosing derogatory or disrespectful nicknames for people. This board really rallied around Sylvia when she needed it and thats the beauty of this online community. People are still saying prayers for Brenda's young one (sorry Brenda the name escapes me at the moment). We can either be friends, civil non-friends, or bitter divided tribes of people here on this board. The choice is up to each and every one of us.
| Reply by AngelinaAZ on 8/29/06 12:54pm
Msg #141836
It's about responsibility and respect.
You do not respect the rules laid out by the forum owner. You want us to 'use your name' out of respect, yet you don't want to be respectful of the rules laid out.
In regards to OT posts, sometimes there seems to be more than a few on the board... but if you look at them on an individual basis you can see that there are no 'out-of-control' offenders. For instance, I will sometimes post an OT... but not all the time and certainly not every day. However, I may post an OT on the same day a few others do and the culmination of them can make the board seem like an OT festival.
You, however, have been the single repeat offender of the political posting rule. Your protestations of innocence are belied by your actions.
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 1:23pm
Msg #141852
I Respectfully Ask You to Show Me...
...the "rules laid out" on the NotRot web site which validates your contention Harry has established a "political posting rule" for participants to abide by on the message board.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 1:26pm
Msg #141854
Re: It's about responsibility and respect.
Seeing as how everyone is always quoting the rules and how I am flagrantly violating them, I've decided to post them here in response to Angelina's post. I want everyone to read very carefully, cut and paste and do a word search for the word "politics, religion or political" in these rules. When you find a match, tell me I've been breaking the rules, but not before. Now, I would like to bring attention to Section II, fourth paragraph regarding netiquette. Then I want everyone that has called me JJ or Jihad Jahari or slammed a new notary or ripped someone a new navel for sending praise to someone or a company that person worked with to consider how they have violated time and again the rules laid out for this forum.
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| Reply by AngelinaAZ on 8/29/06 2:52pm
Msg #141886
Hmmm...
Well I don't know when they changed... but they did change. I specifically remember references to political/religious postings as do many veteran posters here.
Oh well... I guess you can post as much of your rhetoric and cause as much discord as you want to and feel really good about it!
All I know is this... if I were on the same bus as you... I'd get off!
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 3:36pm
Msg #141901
Angelina...
...I've been participating on NotRot for more years than I care to remember & Harry's NEVER had a specific rule about political or religious postings. It's disingenuous on your part to insinuate the rules have been changed when you can't come up with the proof to back your statements. You'd have been much better off simply admitting you were in error rather than come up with this excuse.
Along these same lines (but NOT necessarily directed at you, Angelina) I've always considered it an amazing contradiction that Harry has found it necessary to devote a full line of his Netiquette section in his "Rules & Guidelines" to posters who use ALL CAPS, but allows some of the most profane language to go unfettered. But then Harry IS the owner of this board, isn't he.
| Reply by AngelinaAZ on 8/29/06 4:03pm
Msg #141912
I hate to break it to ya Dennis...
... but I am a strong person who is not afraid to be wrong. I've been wrong before (and even admitted it, go figure?) and I'm sure I'll be wrong again. I do remember it... and I have written Harry a quick email because I am curious to know where it is that I saw it. I have also seen others make reference to it as well so I'm sure I'm not the only one "imagining things".
So seeing as how you've appointed yourself my conscience... buckle up... it's going to be a wild ride!!!
| Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 8/29/06 4:13pm
Msg #141915
I Wish You the Best in Your "Imaginary" Search...
...and look forward to the results being posted for all to see.
| Reply by Charm_AL on 8/29/06 4:17pm
Msg #141916
Re: I hate to break it to ya Dennis...
I think I remember that too Ang, it may even have been in a post, I looked over at Feedback and couldn't find it. I'm curious to see what he responds with.
| Reply by Brenda/CA on 8/29/06 5:31pm
Msg #141927
Re: Dennis this would fall under Netiquette
The following was from www.learnthenet.com listed under Master the Basics under topic Netiquette:
When posting a message to a public bulletin board, forum, or newsgroup, stick to the topic. Don't indiscriminately post unrelated comments, or worse--advertisements--to every newsgroup you can think of. This practice, known as spamming, will quickly lead to another unpleasant Internet practice, flaming. What is flaming? Sometimes you might offend someone unintentionally. Be prepared to receive some angry e-mail or be treated rudely in a public discussion. This is called being flamed. If you attack back, you will spark a flame war. To contain the heat, the best response usually is no response at all.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 7:33pm
Msg #141952
Re: Community or strictly notary forum?
Jahari, the difference is that these notaries who post "OT" also contribute to this "NOTARY" forum regularly. Can you honestly say you contribute to our industry by posting industry related topics regularly? I can honestly say I don't contribute as much as they but then again, I don't typically start OT threads.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 8:22pm
Msg #141961
Re: Community or strictly notary forum?
Actually yes, I do Kyle. Search mine out, you will find them as well as my responses to other notary related posts.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 8/29/06 8:56pm
Msg #141966
Re: Community or strictly notary forum?
Been there, done that. As I said last night, my memory is excellent. Aside from your post tonight which, I have to admit, was quite logical, the only other notary posts you had were back in April when you started posting and maybe a handful in the last month. In between, your posts went political/controversial. People like Charm, TG, Brenda (sorry for those I left out)...for every OT they post, they would have 5 posts that contribute to the betterment of our industry (IMO).
Jahari, with all due respect, I get enough news on the net, in the paper, on tv, radio...I personally don't need to see it here. I'm not here to rip on you. However, many people that you offend and disregard have helped me in some way. IMO, there is no need to discuss politics, religion or the sort in a notary forum. I just wish you would respect the majorities opinion regarding these posts. Lets focus our energies on notary related issues and other less controversial OT posts. After working all day, I would prefer to come home and relax and laugh a bit, not point out flaws in a point of view. What do you say, Jahari?
| Reply by Charm_AL on 8/29/06 1:39pm
Msg #141865
Re: Community or strictly notary forum?
Oh Jahari, how I wish you'd post an occasional ot joke or a funny story in connection with a signing, it's apparent that you refuse to reflect on your agendas here, only defend yourself. You are so stuck on yourself you can't even begin to comprehend what all this means.
I am positively bored with your analogies.
I know people like you. You can tell them "don't walk out in front of that truck! Someone like you says "what's wrong with the way I walk, you can walk, so I can walk too, let's be fair."
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 8/29/06 1:44pm
Msg #141869
Things that make you go, hmmm...? n/m
| Reply by John_NorCal on 8/29/06 10:43am
Msg #141788
Hi Jahari,
While I agree with much of your post, I still don't feel that this forum is the place for the political viewpoints that have been espoused here. I believe that a good number of people who come to Notary Rotary or any other notary board, are looking for information that helps them in their occupation. While I have viewpoints that may or may not be parallel to yours, I don't feel the need to shout it out on this forum at the expense of the quiet enjoyment that is sought by the serious signing agent.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 8/29/06 11:03am
Msg #141796
Re: OT: - (sort of) Posting, Dearest Dog-loving John:
**quiet enjoyment that is sought by the serious signing agent.**
Your wife is a very, very lucky woman. I commend her on her choice of partner.
I am going to email you a link where you can see pictures of my black lab grandson. I love him sooooo much.
| Reply by John_NorCal on 8/29/06 11:11am
Msg #141802
Re: OT: - (sort of) Posting, Dearest Dog-loving John:
**Your wife is a very, very lucky woman. I commend her on her choice of partner. **
Well after 34 yrs, I hope we have done something right! Thanks!
Looking forward to the pics, and don't forget to pick up your lab results.. LOL!
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