Posted by Pamela on 8/27/06 1:00pm
Msg #141253

Public Notarizations!

This is my first year notarizing for the public. So far so good. However, there are two incidents in which I would like the experienced notaries to comment on (new notaries may comment too).

Recently, a woman and her mother both needed to have a document notarized. I quoted my fees and the person stated that she could not pay for the mileage. Because this job was close to home, I decided to waive the mileage fees. Upon arriving, it turns out, to be a personal loan packet with several notarizations required. Fees total $100.00. After notarizations were completed, the women informed me that they were not able to pay the fees. Both women apologized, but stated that they desparately needed to have the package notarized and did not mean to "trick" me.

Another instant, a young man telephoned me to have documents notarized. Over the telephone he stated that it was a document for court. That it was only one page. After arriving at his home, this one page notarization also included the notary having to verify his having completed the driving test packet. He was able to pay for the one signature and mileage, but did not have the funds to pay for my verifying the test.

In California, as "public servants" notaries are not to refuse a notarization request. However, as independent contractors, this is also a business.

I would like to know if anyone else has experienced similar situations?

Thanks,

Pam

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/27/06 1:05pm
Msg #141255

Re: Public Notarizations!- Pam - awful.

**Because this job was close to home, I decided to waive the mileage fees. Upon arriving, it turns out, to be a personal loan packet with several notarizations required. Fees total $100.00. After notarizations were completed, the women informed me that they were not able to pay the fees. Both women apologized, but stated that they desparately needed to have the package notarized and did not mean to "trick" me. **

That's got to be at least a theft by services, or some kind of a misdemeanor.

I know it is more trouble than it is worth to mess with them, but I think I would at least send them a bill.

I guess we all learned a lesson . . . get your money up front

Reply by Signing_Doc on 8/27/06 1:07pm
Msg #141258

definately theft of public services...you are an officer of

your state....proceed with legal recourse.....or at least advise them of that option and give them 48 hours to pay you....Not legal advise, just opinion

"Doc"

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 1:28pm
Msg #141265

Signing Doc,

Hello!

In both cases, I told them that it was "okay".

I am rethinking as to if I should start requesting payment
upfront. I do not want to seem rude with my customers, but
I want to avoid future payment problems.

Thanks,

Pam

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 1:15pm
Msg #141262

Brenda, Re: Public Notarizations!- Pam - awful.

Good Morning Brenda,

I have never asked for money beforehand (did not want to offend anyone).
Is it okay to do so?

Pam

Reply by Michelle/AL on 8/27/06 1:25pm
Msg #141263

Offenses

Pam, I know my name isn't Brenda but I've got to add my 2 cents anyway. Both customers offended you by not paying so....I'd rather offend than to be offended. When I go to the Post Office the clerk usually holds on to the stamps I order until I pass over the cash. And when I grocery shop they dont' wait for me to get to my car before I pay for the groceries. I do think there's a nice and unoffensive way to request payment up front. Perhaps, "Now before I apply the seal and my signature to your document, that will be $25."

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 1:38pm
Msg #141267

Michelle, Re: Offenses

Hi Michelle,

You have me laughing! Very Good! Yes, You are correct!
I will think of a way as to how to ask for the money upfront.
Question though: If the people do not have the money,
and begin to beg and plea, or become angry (remember,
they are strangers, and I am in their home) how do you politely
walk away?

Pam

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 1:43pm
Msg #141268

If they can't pay...

Call you local Legal Aid office and ask them if they have a Notary (of course they do).

Don't ask them if it's free (of course it isn't)

Send folks there and let Legal Aid explain why nobody gets a free stamp... or let them stamp it.

If Legal Aid doesn't have a Notary, offer to go notarize for free between 12-2pm the 2nd and 4th Fridays of the month. You'd probably make some useful contacts.

Reply by Joy223 on 8/27/06 2:57pm
Msg #141286

Re: Michelle, Re: Offenses

Can I reply to this? I hope so. As stated in my other post about my photography business. I get the sitting feee up front. If they "forget" their checkbook I simply say....."I'm osrry but if you want to run home and get it I will hold your spot and we can do the shoot when you get back. If you let them know your feee when they call you and then they aren't prepared tell them to call you when they have the fee and pack up your stuff. This is business. There is no business in my town that gives away free services that I know of.....why should you.
Again...just my 2 cents worth.
Joy

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/06 9:56pm
Msg #141365

Jeez Pam, grow a spine

Why are you so worried about not offending anyone and being super duper polite even though they're trying to screw you over?

You don't politely walk away, you just say "if you can't pay for my services then I can't notarize this for you". What is so tough about that?

I can tell you right now, with your attitude this business is going to eat you up and spit you out. Stop worrying about what other people think of you and start worrying about acting like an adult and taking care of business.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 10:43pm
Msg #141374

CALINOTARY! Re: Jeez Pam, grow a spine

Obviously you did not comprehend the post.
It was AFTER the notarizations were completed that the
people could not (or would not) pay.

Plain and Simple! I am not going to get into an altercation,
verbal or otherwise, in someone's home,
(especially a stranger's) over a notarization fee!

Hell, you can't even list your REAL name on Notary Rotary!

P-L-E-A-S-E!

Pamela

Reply by AngelinaAZ on 8/28/06 1:02am
Msg #141394

Re: CALINOTARY! Re: Jeez Pam, grow a spine

I hate to break it to ya Pam but just because people were 'nicey nicey' all the way up and down this thread doesn't mean that they are actually HELPING you with whatever it is that keeps you from standing up for yourself in the moment.

***I can tell you right now, with your attitude this business is going to eat you up and spit you out. Stop worrying about what other people think of you and start worrying about acting like an adult and taking care of business.***

This is great advice. You would be well advised to forget about being defensive and actually take it for what it's worth because it might end up helping you.

On another note... if you are afraid of people's negative reactions when you are in their home then maybe you should meet them in a public place. This business is no place to be scared of what they will do if something you do or say upsets them. TRUST ME... some are going to be upset and you won't be able to do a dang thing about it.

I read the post... and even though they told you AFTER... I didn't see that you set up a billing situation with them or talked to them about how they would pay when they got their money? How is it that it got all the way to you working for free? Just because they didn't pay you immediately doesn't mean you can't send them a bill.

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 1:32pm
Msg #141266

Who gets offended when asked for payment?

Deadbeats, that's who... offend away.

If they leave in a huff and never talk to you again, they're doing you a favor.

Even if it's your mother-in-law.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 8/27/06 1:49pm
Msg #141270

Re: Pamela I would begin the signing session by

taking out my receipt book, view the documents that need to be notarized, list them one by one with fee, tally up, present total to client, ask will they be paying cash or check. They will need to sign your receipt book.....Nothing rude about the process at all.
However let me first say when you get the call, I would personally state after they of course have asked you about the document signing, that you only accept cash, unless of course you know them.
There is a ATM on most corners.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 2:31pm
Msg #141278

Lk Arrowhd, Re: Pamela I would begin the signing session by

Good Afternoon,

You and Tina both have similar styles/approaches when asking for payment.

Will try it on the next notarization. Up until this thread, I did not know
that notaries asked for payment upfront (although I suspected that a
few might).

At first I used to ask for cash only, but then some people (waiting until
the last minute), only had personal or business checks. Thank Goodness
I have not had a check returned as unpaid (as of yet)!

Pam

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 8/27/06 4:00pm
Msg #141297

Re: Pamela, when I have a repair personcome to my home that

I have never used before and he doesn't know me from Adam, I always when calling ask if he will accept a check from me or does he want cash, it's common courtesy.

Reply by Joy223 on 8/27/06 2:52pm
Msg #141285

Re: Brenda, Re: Public Notarizations!- Pam - awful.

Pam,
I am a professional photographer here in Michigan. I own my own business and I too have been taken advantage of. I learned the hard way also that you have to ask for payment ahead of time. In my case a customer ordered some prints from me....I went ahead and placed the order....that was a year ago. Now they don't want them so I am stuck with pictures I can never use. No matter what business you are in don't worry about offending your customers by asking for payments. After all....does a grocery store let you take the groceries out to the car and put them in before you pay.....nope. It is just good business sence to get your money up front. Just my 2 cents worth.
Joy

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 3:52pm
Msg #141295

Joy, Public Notarizations!- Pam - awful.

Joy,

Very valuable 2 cents!

Thanks for the advice. After receiving so many excellent responses, I will
now request the money BEFORE completing any notarizations.
As stated earlier, I am new in the business and did not want to offend
anyone. However, this"trust" system cannot apply to everyone.

Because I do not have a "brick and mortar" business and often times are
at the customer's home, it can become too casual. When I say something,
I keep my word, because a person's word is their character. When I quote a
fee and the customer agrees, I expect to receive payment. I would not
dare to "trick" someone. But live and learn. . .!

Again I Thank You,

Pam

Reply by Michelle/AL on 8/27/06 1:13pm
Msg #141260

I agree with Doc...

Since you have their names, ID and address I'd send them a bill. I don't buy their excuse that "they didn't mean to trick you". I just placed an ad in the yellow-pages so I expect to start getting calls like the two you mentioned. I will also make sure I obtain payment before using my stamp and ink pen. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 1:26pm
Msg #141264

Refusing Notarization Requests

Government Code 6110

UPON PAYMENT OF THE FEES REQUIRED BY LAW, the officer shall perform the services required. For every failure or refusal to do so, the officer is liab le upon his official bond.

If you weren't allowed to demand payment, why would there be a laundry list (veterans etc) of folks you may not charge.

In the words of Blues singer Maria Muldar...

I'm gonna tell him like the Chinaman, if you don't bring the check
You don't get your laundry you can break your damn neck...

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 1:46pm
Msg #141269

Pamela for Mayor

Okay, I've responded with outrage 3 times in this thread... but here's the big picture.

Pamela made a gift of services to folks who don't deserve it.

That's pretty cool. She's pretty cool.

And on the other side of the coin, most businesses would love to only get stiffed twice for less than $100 in a year.

You're doing great...

It seems to me you oughta tighten up with these freeloaders, but if that's the worst of it, or if --having been honest and up front-- you decide to give away a stamp or two... Kudos!!!!

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 2:07pm
Msg #141272

Gary Re: Pamela for Mayor

Good Morning Gary!

Mayor of Los Angeles? Not for a billion dollers (well maybe a billion!)

I'm learning! When a customer calls me, I asked the type
of notarization and documents, the location etc. . .
state what my fees are and it's either "yea" or "nay".

Twice is the limit for me.

I've received excellent advice from everyone!

Very Much Appreciated!

Pam

By the way, you're pretty cool yourself! ("smile"

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 2:11pm
Msg #141275

Re: Gary Re: Pamela for Mayor

Should be ask, not asked!

Trying to do too many things as once (including cooking. . .)!

Pam

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 2:39pm
Msg #141281

I'm in love...

She thinks I'm cool...

and she cooks

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/06 10:07pm
Msg #141367

You're in love!!!!!

Yeah, but the downside would be having to share her company over dinner.

"Thanks for coming Gary, I HOPE YOU LIKE WHAT I COOKED FOR YOU! PASS THE SALT!!!!!!!!!!! How was your day? MINE WAS GREAT!!!!!!! PUT YOUR DISHES IN THE SINK AND LET'S GO TO THE BEDROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, you have a GREAT BODY!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S A BALL GAG? WHY DO ALL THE GUYS I DATE END UP STICKING SOMETHING IN MY MOUTH DURING WHOOPIE?!!!!!!!!!!!!! mphrrmphrmppph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 10:33pm
Msg #141371

CALINOTARY!

Your jealousy shows! But ENOUGH with the description of YOUR sordid love life!
Telephone Dr. Phil or Oprah. Better yet, let me know the date and
time of your Jerry Springer appearance. I'll tape that day!

Pamela

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/28/06 1:18am
Msg #141397

That's the best you can do?

Jerry Springer? Oy vey.

BTW Pam, you have 17 responses in this thread. It really, truly isn't necessary for you to respond to every single post. I'm sure you're afraid of hurting somebody's feelings if you don't give them a personal response to let them know that you saw what they wrote, but here's your opportunity to start growing that spine and NOT respond to every single post and if they get hurty feelings, oh well.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 2:08pm
Msg #141273

Gary! Spelling Correction: DOLLARS! n/m

Reply by Tina_MA on 8/27/06 1:53pm
Msg #141271

I do quite a few non-loan notarizations. I tell people up front what the travel fee is and then to add $1.25 per notarization. I also tell them that all fees must be in cash, exact change.

When I arrive at the home, before I start with my journal, I flip through the docs, tally up the fee, and request it right there and then.

If they do not have it, I do not notarize. Simple.

By the way, it took me awhile to get to that point. At first I didn't feel comfortable talking to people about the money. But after being shortchanged a few times, I started getting comfortable real quick.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 2:20pm
Msg #141277

Good Afternoon Tina!

You hit the nail right on the point! I too do not feel comfortable asking for
money before a job is completed. However, this is a business and twice
I've been burnt, and I do not want this to happen again.

I like your approach/style and will try it!

Pam

Reply by John_NorCal on 8/27/06 2:10pm
Msg #141274

I've never been burned like that! I would definitely state my fees up front and ask them how they intend to pay, preferably with cash. The nerve of some people!

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/27/06 3:04pm
Msg #141287

**The nerve of some people!**

My daddy was not a wealthy man...we did okay, but he was blue collar.

His lawyer saw him in the grocery store one day. Was in line in front of Daddy. Lawyer, now judge, former state representative had a couple of bananas. The checker said "$.15 please." Judge C. fished around in his pockets and pulled out a couple of $100 bills, turned to my father and said, "Joe, I hate to break this bill for such a little bit, could you loan me a quarter?"

That was in 1969. Wonder what the interest would be at this time on the loan of a quarter over 37 years?

The point of this story is that scamming a few dollars, or a few cents, here and there, is not a game of the poor. It's the game of many dishonest thinking people who are deluded into thinking that if they need (or WANT) a little help, they *deserve* it for free.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 4:12pm
Msg #141303

Brenda, Re: Public Notarizations!

Brenda I agree that there are many scam artists around.

It's a person's upbringing and character which makes
all the difference!

But all monies will now be requested in advance!

Pam

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 3:31pm
Msg #141290

John, Re: Public Notarizations!

John,

I agree those people did have a lot of nerve! Actually it was
quite embarassing (as least for me). It really took me by
surprise. The woman explained that she was getting married,
didn't have the money and was getting the loan for her wedding
dress etc. . .

The young man explained that he owed several traffic tickets
did not know how he was going to pay them and so forth.

Again, these people were strangers, I was
in their home, and the notarizations were completed.
I didn't really know how to approach the situation (s) other than
to inform these folks of what the costs was and that it was okay.

But thanks to everyone who replied to this thread, I now know
what to do!

Pam

Reply by Life Saving Services - Doug on 8/27/06 4:14pm
Msg #141304

Re: John, Re: Public Notarizations!

By the way it is true that we can not refuse a notary, But you can refuse the mobil service. Simply close your book and let then know your office hours and location where they can come for the notaries only for free.

Nothing in the statute that states any extras like gas and additional time we need to give away to any group.

Reply by Gary_CA on 8/27/06 4:28pm
Msg #141308

Bull Pucky!

"By the way it is true that we can not refuse a notary..."

My eye! Quote me the law.

Try to get one of the clerk/notaries in your local county building to notarize a one page affadavit for free...much less a loan. In fact the law specifically states that county employees MUST charge. Private notaries are ALLOWED to do a free notarization.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/27/06 10:01pm
Msg #141366

Bull pucky indeed

We can't refuse to notarize if we don't have a valid reason for it. The person not having the ability to pay us is QUITE a vaild reason for us to refuse.

Reply by LawrenceOK on 8/27/06 5:36pm
Msg #141325

Re: John, Re: Public Notarizations! Doug

There will be times when you have no choice but to refuse the notarization. Especially if the person demands under law that you notarize his/her document and they have no ID.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/27/06 6:45pm
Msg #141344

Re: John, Re: Public Notarizations!

Pamela - I support you in your peaceful
resolution to this situation. You acted on
your instincts, and no one but you can say
how they would have reacted not being
you in that moment.

Had you required they pay you
post-notarization, that too would be a
situation I would support you in, as well.

I appreciate you sharing this because it
is a situation we could all find ourselves
in.

Not being a confrontational type, I totally
agree with you walking away and
being done with the situation. Some things
are good learning experiences. I'll bet
you will never let this happen again.

Reply by BarbaraL_CA on 8/27/06 4:40pm
Msg #141310

Re: Public Notarizations! - My 2-cents worth...

I have been fortunate in 2 1/2 years of notarizing documents that have always been paid, never received a bad check, and have notarized for "free" to elderly friends and my pastor.

I have the ability to take credit card payments thru PayPal. I have invoiced strangers using PayPal Invoice (they don't need a PayPal account) and received payment from them, no problem. If there is any problem here, it is that I am a very trusting (too much so) person, and would expect I'll get burnt someday... but so far, so good.

This has been an interesting thread - I have enjoyed the difference comments. It got me to the point that, as a precaution, I have designed a "Credit / Debit Form" to be filled out and signed by the customer.
It has all the information needed for me to enter the information. That way I don't have to wait for them, and a receipt will be emailed to the customer.

I've never asked for money "upfront", but it's a good idea.

Reply by cassiewi on 8/27/06 4:43pm
Msg #141313

I never thought of it

I'm glad this was brought up because I just did my first non-loan notarization the other day and I didn't ask for the money up front either. The woman paid me after, I guess I will ask up front now as well. Thanks for bringing this to the board.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 11:07pm
Msg #141378

Cassiewi Re: I never thought of it

Good Evening,

You're Welcome!

At first I wasn't sure if I should bring this to the board.
Sometimes the responses are anything but nice. However,
the majority of the replies have been most helpful.

Take Care,

Pam

Reply by Linda Hubbell on 8/27/06 6:24pm
Msg #141335

Excellent thread!! - I too am not comfortable asking people for money - and would probably do the same thing - "Oh, that's okay, don't worry, it's alright" - meanwhile going home broke.

Lots of great advice here -

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 11:16pm
Msg #141380

Linda Re: Public Notarizations!

Hello Linda,

Your words are so very true.
This has been a learning experience for me.
When dealing with the public, most anything
can be expected. However, I was caught "off
guard" by these people. Will not let it happen
again!

And yes, the majority of replies were Great.
Now, I know that it is okay to receive payment
beforehand.

Pam

Reply by Jason on 8/27/06 6:24pm
Msg #141336

Could Pam have voided her notarizations? Other ideas?

Could Pam have voided her notarizations? Any legalese types with an answer?


If this were me, I would consider voiding (if legal) or

Sending invoice to jerks. Payment due immediately with late fee of $25 per week if payment not received by Sept 15. I would mail it cert, ret receipt.

In the invc, I would recount what happened. Purpose: to start a paper trail. If they were getting cash out on loan, I would mention it.

If no pay by Oct 31, I would file w/ small claims court.

Pam: you were lied to from the get go. They lied about # of not's. They lied they would pay you. I wouldn't care how many apologies they made. They are con artists. There are other people, such as the elderly, who deserve charity. Not these two.

I would be mad as heck. I am mad on your behalf.

Any other ideas about collecting? Actions?

Since they live close, I might also consider showing up at the door at random times to collect fees.

Reply by JM_NY on 8/27/06 8:03pm
Msg #141355

Re: Could Pam have voided her notarizations? Other ideas?

As with all the demand letters spoken about on this board you supplied a service. You are also responsible for your notarization. I would definitely send an invoice and then a demand letter before taking them to small claims court. They did sign your journal that you would produce in court. A little time spent will get you your fee. Good luck

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/27/06 9:21pm
Msg #141363

Jason, I appreciate the way you feel but how much is your

time worth? I have a drawer full of small claims cases I have won but how do you collect. there is a whole group of people who are suit-proof. What are you going to do with them. For some people it is a way of life. Others have no assets. How much are you out on a notarization? Small Claims court in my area charges filing fees and then when you prevail all the court will do is assist in examining the defendants assets. Yes if they have assets you can lien them but then I have never been able to get a court to foreclose the lien. I've got one guy who owes me over $20,000 for a liquor license I sold him and the contents of a bar as well as the unpaid remainder of a lease but he is in jail and has no assets: I have nothing to garnish and nothing to lien so I am out the money and the court costs and I doubt I'll ever see that money again. Fortunately he converted some of the assets and that is a crime. I gave the account to a friend who does some outrageous collections and he can't collect, yet! I remember this friend collecting from an exotic dancer by getting a court ordered till tipping: he took the money as she collected it. Any way I find it is a waste of my energy to worry about it and getting angry does things to my body that aren't pretty so after a point I just forget about it. Not being an attorney I can't counsel, suggest, recommend or in any other way tell you how you should act, I am only providing anecdotes about my own experiences for entertainment purposes only.

Reply by John_NorCal on 8/28/06 1:25am
Msg #141399

Re: Jason, I appreciate the way you feel but how much is your

Is this another example of the "Law of Diminishing Returns?" You're right Charles, sometimes it just isn't worth the effort.

Reply by Jason on 8/28/06 10:51am
Msg #141442

Charles & John

I agree. Filing suit is not good $ value for time spent.

But I would be very angry if someone didn't pay me.

I hate being conned. Outing thieves in front of a judge would be satisfying. Even if I couldn't collect.

Reply by Pamela on 8/27/06 11:57pm
Msg #141386

Jason,

Jason,

Thank you for your support!

I detest dishonest people! But, I am glad that I brought
this topic to the board. I've received many excellent replies.
I told these "customers" that it was okay. . . so I am not going to
try to retrieve any money. However, this has been a "paid'
learning experience, so to speak.

This is my first year dealing with public notarizations.
So far, these are the only two incidents (three people in all)
for which I was lied to. On the otherhand, I've received
"tips" from people who like my service.

And remember, I was in these people's homes.
They are strangers and I do not know how
"mental" these people can become when pressed
for money! Of course, I could have requested the
documents back and voided the seals, but then that,
I am sure, would have possibly led to other actions. . .

Especially since these were "desperate" and "dishonest"
characters!

It's better to be "safe" than "sorry".

Have a Blessed Evening,

Pam

Reply by Elizabeth Soliday on 8/28/06 12:16am
Msg #141390

Hi Pam

I have been taken advantage of too. It sounds like you have a real giving heart and unfortunately people can sense that somehow. One time I babysat for a close friend (3 kids) full time for 2 months without getting the $300 a month I asked her for. I guess, moral of the story, you have to speak up or people will walk all over you. You are worth it.

Reply by Pamela on 8/28/06 2:03am
Msg #141402

Elizabeth, Re: Hi Pam

Elizabeth Good Morning!

As a rule, I do speak up for myself (and can be very argumentative).
But, I do not want to confront a stranger or strangers in their homes for a
non payment issue (or any other problem). It's not worth the trouble.

Afterall, I am in THEIR home. I do not want to jeopardize my business
and commission behind people who could care less. Meaning that,
any discussion, especially that of a non-payment issue could easily
escalate into a physical attack!

Because this happened twice, I wanted to get information
from other notaries who may have experienced this type of situation.

These two incidents I write off as a learning experience. However,
these folks know that they can never call upon me again for any other
notarial jobs!

Take Care,

Pam

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/28/06 1:21am
Msg #141398

Are quotey marks the new exclamation points?

Seriously Pam, what do you have against just writing like a normal person? Why do you have to put so much useless punctuation in everything that spews from your fingertips?

Reply by Pamela on 8/28/06 2:42am
Msg #141404

Calinotary Re: Are quotey marks the new exclamation points?

Seriously CaliNotary, what do you have against signing in with your birth name like a regular person? Why do you have to put so much useless time and effort in spewing so much
unwanted criticism from your edgy fingertips and corrupt soul?

I dislike your personal attacks on me. Those ill-mannered remarks you wrote
in Gary's thread, shows what type of vile character you have. He was replying to me, not responding to you. You however, chose to reply like the type of snake that you are. You sit and wait and then pounce!

Everyone thus far, has replied with Excellent advice. You with your deranged,
sadomasochistic mind, decided to add your nasty talents. You may know
how to notarize but you have an awful character!

Ms. Rodriguez

Reply by Charm_AL on 8/28/06 10:53am
Msg #141444

52 replies to this thread

18 of them from the author.

I'm sorry folks but this was about the dumbest/longest threads I've seen in a awhile.

Pam, if you are afraid to collect at the table BEFORE you sign, you're not running an efficient business. Bill both offenders.

Secondly, learn by your mistakes, take out your receipt book and go over what you are signing, write the amount out, hand it to the customer and collect before you start. No money, no service.
I find it hard to believe that these two ladies said 'they tricked you' I would not have said ok, I would have said, "fine, expect my invoice."
Treat this as a business and do not be so intimidated that you can't get your fee before you sign.
It's not necessary to reply to every post, defending, praising, or attacking.
Very simple, you messed up, learn from it and move on in a new mode.

Reply by PA_Notary_II on 8/28/06 1:20pm
Msg #141493

Re: 52 replies to this thread...make it 53...

I would have put their documents in my brief case and left.....let them know where to find you when they're ready to pay and pick up their docs.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/28/06 2:31pm
Msg #141523

Does PA law allow for you to steal their documents?

Because I'm quite sure that there's nothing in CA law that says we're entitled to take possession of the docs if they don't pay us.

Reply by Pamela on 8/28/06 1:36pm
Msg #141502

Charm, Re: 52 replies to this thread

Charm,

No, it is not "dumb" to seek out understanding or assistance in a situation.
Not only have I received fine responses from many on this particular thread,
but it has also helped others.

I did not realize that there was a limit as to the number of responses
an author may reply.

Each of us is different. It is what makes the world go round!

Have a pleasant afternoon,

Pamela