Posted by TitleGalCA on 12/28/06 6:44pm
Msg #168079
OT: of interest
It looks like the US and Iraq have worked together to rid the earth of the truly "despicible" (and I'm not talking about Calinotary) - Saddam Hussein.
He is to be hung within 48 hours.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384738/?GT1=8816
Guilty as charged.
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Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/28/06 7:01pm
Msg #168084
Too bad the Kurds won't get their day in court...but at least they'll know the *astard's dead.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/28/06 7:03pm
Msg #168085
You and me both, Susan. Poor people...no mercy for even small babies and the elderly.
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Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/28/06 7:12pm
Msg #168090
Don't get me started, I just came in for a beer.
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/28/06 7:15pm
Msg #168091
I think he should have been tried at The Hague. Not in Iraq by a court we set up so he wouldnt look like he was railroaded by the US. By the way, isnt this political?
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Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/28/06 7:28pm
Msg #168093
Well, I could get it there real quick, but I think I'll just stick with the sentiment - so don't get me started, I just came in for a beer.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/28/06 7:46pm
Msg #168096
Mmmmm, let me think a minute......
No.
The title was "of interest". It is of interest. For the past 5 years Saddam Hussein (and even longer to the poor Kurds) has been of interest.
Jahari - you need to go to the dictionary and look up the meaning of the word. Never mind, I'll help you:
"Of or relating to government, or a government, or the conduct of government. Of or relating to and involvement in party politics".
This post was about current events. Think back to the fifth grade or so and if you recall essays about current events, you'll understand better.
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/28/06 11:49pm
Msg #168153
Then I dont want to hear a Godda-n thing else from you...
about my posts. Every item I posted was about current events and you demonize them and myself as being overly political...because you oppose my viewpoint. You are nothing but a hypocritical joke.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 8:26pm
Msg #168102
Jahari, Re: OT: of interest
Hi Jahari!
I would like to start a debate on this subject as I think that
Saddam Hussein's treatment was unjust. However, I know that
this forum isn't the place for it (yes I know, it all depends on who
you are. . .).
There are many cruel dictators in this world (Africa is a prime example),
yet he is the only one the U.S. took an active interest in (of course
"oil" wasn't the true motive,"wink" . His country was aggressively invaded
for alleged "mass weapons of destruction" (In the meantime, China has free
play with its war building system). And upon finding zero evidence, the U.S.
decided to try him for war crimes?
As a result, of this "mind-boggling" policy, The Middle East has become an
extremely violent area of the world.
Truly Amazing!
Anyway Jahari, just wanted to say Hello!
Pam
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Reply by Lisa Prestegard on 12/28/06 8:30pm
Msg #168103
Pam
Ahem.
If you want to start political debate with Jahari or anyone else, please click on their name (his IS linked) and send him a private email.
To fuel such fires on this board is irresponsible, at the very least.
Thank you.
*This has been a not-for-profit public service announcement*
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Reply by PL on 12/28/06 9:51pm
Msg #168113
Quite an interesting take on the subject
Using your thought all those Marsh people and Kurds walked outside one day and caught an incredible cold and died on the spot. Too bad for them. As for becoming an "extremely violent area in the world" it has been that at least since the Crusades and probably before that.
Yes it is truly amazing.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:11pm
Msg #168134
PL
My reasoning is this, if one nation is going to invade another
nation over its riches (as in this case oil), then honestly say so. Do not
start a war on the pretense of freedom and democracy. Very dishonest
to do so. On the otherhand, there are many gullible people who
believe the lie.
There are other many, many oppressed people as we speak. China is
notorious for abusing its own. Yet I do not see the U.S. invading
it (even though it boldly brags about its nuclear weaponry).
And although the Middle East has had it share of turbulence,
this is the worst in recent history. For goodness sake, there is
a Civil War in Iraq!
There are many human beings crying out for help, such as in Africa.
Yet, I do not see a U.S. call to action to help these people gain
their democracy.
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Africa/Intro.asp#AfricaHardlyAttractsMediaAttentionDespitePressingConcerns
Talk about hypocrisy!
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Reply by Becca_FL on 12/28/06 11:23pm
Msg #168139
Pam, you obviously do not pay attention to current events.
Have you been under a rock? Have you not seen all the PSAs re: Darfur and what we as Americans can do to help? Where the heck have you been?....up JJ's butt? What have you done? I've done what I was asked to do about the genocide in Darfur. What have you done? Whining and complaining on a Notary board will do NOTHING to further your position or the fate of the people in Darfur.
You too are an ID10T.
>>> There are many human beings crying out for help, such as in Africa.
Yet, I do not see a U.S. call to action to help these people gain
their democracy.<<<
Bull$hit!
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:36pm
Msg #168143
Becca,
So when do the U.S. invade Darfur?
And, I can debate WITHOUT the name calling.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/29/06 9:41am
Msg #168215
Re: Becca, Correction
Should be:
. . .when will. . .
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/28/06 11:45pm
Msg #168152
Re: Pam, you obviously do not pay attention to current events.
But Becca, you can call your congressman and senator and demand action there. Hell threaten them with your vote in the next elections. Iraq is unjust and plain wrong. We should be in Darfur. And a PSA is nothing compared to the actions of a competant President and government.
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Reply by Becca_FL on 12/29/06 12:05am
Msg #168155
For you, JJ. Please get help.
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/content.aspx?aID=3744
http://lansing.citysearch.com/search?gcats=220&cats=410
http://www.007b.com/bra-men.php
You're a MoMo and I can't stand your BS anymore. Please, for the sake of the rest of us, get help.
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/29/06 1:03am
Msg #168165
Becca...read a book and turn off Bill Orally
Exactly what was BS about my statement to you about Darfur? You dismiss me because you have nothing to bring to the discussion but insults and slander. A symbol of one truly uninformed and misled because they failed to think for themselves.
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Reply by CaliNotary on 12/28/06 10:56pm
Msg #168129
Don't be an idiot Pam
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39045
The heated charge that prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib by U.S. service personnel was somehow equivalent to that perpetrated by Saddam Hussein – a notion pervasive in the Muslim world and epitomized in the West by Sen. Edward Kennedy's remark that "we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management'' – has had ice-cold water dumped on it by a horrific new video.
Screened for reporters last week by Washington's American Enterprise Institute, the 4-plus-minute video clip, reportedly obtained from the Pentagon, captures the routine beating, torture, dismemberment and decapitation that occurred daily at the hands of Saddam's henchmen.
However, only a handful of reporters showed up to see the new video, and even fewer reported on it.
One journalist present was New York Post's Washington bureau chief Deborah Orin, who wrote of "savage scenes of decapitation, fingers chopped off one by one, tongues hacked out with a razor blade – all while victims shriek in pain and the thugs chant Saddam's praises."
Iraqi prisoner beaten by Saddam's torturers (AEI video)
Noting that "Saddam's henchmen took the videos as newsreels to document their deeds in honor of their leader," Orin added, "but these awful images didn't show up on American TV news."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92618,00.html
Qusay also oversaw Iraq's notorious detention centers and is believed to have initiated "prison cleansing" — a means of relieving severe overcrowding in jails with arbitrary killings.
Citing testimony from former Iraqi intelligence officers and other state employees, New York-based Human Rights Watch said several thousand inmates were executed at Iraq's prisons over the past several years.
Prisoners were often eliminated with a bullet to the head, but one witness told the London-based human rights group Indict that inmates were sometimes murdered by being dropped into shredding machines. Some prisoners went in head first and died quickly, while others were put in feet first and died screaming. The witness said that on at least one occasion, Qusay supervised shredding-machine murders.
On another occasion, a witness said, an inmate's foot was cut off in a prison torture room while Qusay was present.
"The amputation had been carried out with a power saw during his torture under the direct supervision of Qusay ," the witness told Indict.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackstraw1.html
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Reply by BrendaTx on 12/28/06 11:11pm
Msg #168135
Cali -
Citing thesmokinggun.com was appropriate for the purpose. For some, it has a lot more weight than the others.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:33pm
Msg #168142
CaliNotary
I am not saying that Saddam Hussein is innocent.
What I am saying, is that, it is wrong to invade a country over a lie,
and then to condemn its leader for war crimes, while turning a "blind eye"
to other evil leaders.
Why aren't other nations being "rescued" by the U.S., if freedom and
democracy is the true intent? Why aren't other evil dictators being brought
to justice, if "crimes against humanity" is a major issue?
After World War II, many Germans and Japanese leaders were caught, tried
and executed (or imprisoned). At the same time, others were allowed to come
into the U.S. as professors, doctors, engineers etc. . .Why? Because the U.S.
needed their expertise. Was this fair? No. Was it moral? No. Did it happen? Yes.
So yes, I find it very disturbing that Saddam Hussein is to be executed, while
others are being left alone, to go about their daily rituals of horror. Is this fair? No.
Is it going to happen? Most likely Yes.
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Reply by Pat/IL on 12/29/06 12:19am
Msg #168157
Re: Pam, your facts are crooked and your logic flawed.
First, the "pretense" for this war was not freedom and democracy, but weapons of mass destruction.
Furthermore, the U.S. did not try Sadam Hussein. He was tried by the Iraqis. You may think it's a puppet government, and I would expect a reply as such from someone, such as yourself, who has gotten caught up in this Bush/Republican-hating frenzy. My question to you would be, then, why did we not install a government that would serve our interests?
Finally, you state that our invasion of Iraq is just wrong (I agree with you there) but you appear to implore that we repeat the error wherever dictators mistreat their own.
Well, I guess we can take comfort in that you want to be fair to the despots and not just single out one.
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Reply by Brenda/CA on 12/29/06 12:28am
Msg #168159
Re: Pam, your facts are crooked and your logic flawed.
Pam,
You need to go cry for the rights of Saddam Hussein somewhere else. This is America my tears are not for the terrorists:
http://www.packrat-pro.com/911letters.htm#one
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Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 12/29/06 1:53am
Msg #168169
Re: Pam, your facts are crooked and your logic flawed.
"...your logic flawed" - Brenda, you are assuming she used it before...I doubt she knows what the word means.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/29/06 3:53am
Msg #168171
Pat
"who has gotten caught up in this Bush/Republican-hating frenzy"
To set the record straight, I am a moderate. I do not vote by party lines, but
on who I feel can do the best job in any election. Did I vote for Bush? Yes (twice).
Was it a mistake? Yes. Plain and Simple. I do not hate Bush, he has some
qualities which I like. However, he also has major flaws such as
his refusal to pull our soldiers, out of this this neverending, ill-fated war.
This fiasco has turned into another Vietnam.
Pam
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Reply by Becca_FL on 12/28/06 11:14pm
Msg #168137
Pam, how can you smell the truth through the
stench of JJ's $hit on your nose?
You take the term "brown noser" to a new level. Paa-leeeeeease!
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/28/06 11:42pm
Msg #168146
Re: Jahari, Re: OT: of interest
I could go further with what you wrote but I wont. As I said before, he should have been tried at the Hague, not in Iraq by a court we set up. You think stuff is bad now? What till he hangs.
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:45pm
Msg #168151
Jahari
My sentiments exactly!
You are one smart fellow. Would have enjoyed debating with
you when I was in college.
Pam
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Reply by Poppy on 12/29/06 12:20pm
Msg #168246
Do you also enjoy debating with people you don't agree with?
For me a good debate involves a discussion with two sides both parties who are passionate about their take on the issue... Both parties able to articulate their point of view in a respectful manner hoping to sway an opinion or two in their direction (not demanding it sway)
If you ever have the pleasure of participating or listening to a good debate you'll know it. Because you'll walk away with a better understanding of the issue and respect for both sides because you will have seen the passion behind their cause. The goal in a debate is to fully discuss the issue so that others can form their own opinion....
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Reply by Becca_FL on 12/28/06 10:37pm
Msg #168124
Jeez JJ give it up.
Shut your pie-hole here on NotRot and go back to blogging. What happened to the better built version? I've NOT seen it. Have you EVER contributed anything Notary related on this site?
You're a BIG joke.
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Reply by Jahari Davis on 12/28/06 11:55pm
Msg #168154
Actually yes I have...
but they are largely overshadowed and ignored. I've helped people with docs, computer issues, fee questions and have been a very strong voice against lowball fees from SS's. However, those arent the sexy ones everyone reads and posts about. Its always the posts that one of the Go Along Gang dislikes that are demonized as political that get all the attention. I've tried posting about movie reviews, news items, even some jokes but they are savaged by people wanting nothing but a fight on a forum board.
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Reply by Pat/IL on 12/29/06 12:26am
Msg #168158
Re: Actually yes I have...
I will admit, I have never read an entire thread about where to save a quarter on toner cartridges on this board.
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Reply by Poppy on 12/29/06 10:46am
Msg #168229
Jahari, can you honestly say that your Joke about Ford
wasn't meant to stir something up... The thread started as someone paying respect for a President who passed away....
Your joke was in no way respectful and really didn't belong in that thread...
Most people (even those with a "sense of humor" know when it's appropriate to post a joke and when it's not...
I believe you took the opportunity to stir something up, and I think it reflects poorly on you. All your post trying to justify your comment just add to the nonsense. I think you made a poor choice it's that simple. Now you're trying to blame others for being offended by your poor choice... You know I've made many poor choices in my life, sometimes I'm not even quite sure what went wrong, but when I offend someone for what ever reason I don't argue with them and call them names for being offended. I may try to explain myself but I always apologize for the offense... UNLESS OF COURSE, I WAS TRYING TO OFFEND THEM!
Not sure what you mean by the "Go Along Gang" is that anyone who doesn't go along with you?
Seems to me that you're acting exactly like what you claim to dislike... Many of the names you've been throwing out at others seem more and more to apply to you.
Being the history buff that you say you are you should have been able to come up with something respectful and relevant to the whole mortgage business to say about Ford...
Keeping inflation in check is very important to our profession. The federal reserve board as it stands today is largely Fords doing... (I'm sure this point could be argued but you get my point. Hopefully)
While he may have become our President by happenstance he did serve our country.... We all owe him a debt of gratitude for that alone.
As we will owe Carter and Clinton and the like... Most decent people see past whatever their political views are and pay respect to those who have passed.
The thread didn't need to turn into political BS....
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Reply by AngelinaAZ on 12/30/06 12:53pm
Msg #168378
He won't respond to a rational argument Poppy...
Haven't you noticed? You are wasting your time.
I happen to agree with you. If he wanted to honor President Ford and his sense of humor he could have said...
"Have a sense of humor day" or "Be able to Laugh at yourself day" or "Life doesn't have to be so serious Day"....
his comments were "Fall On Your Ass Day" and "Pardon a Felon Day". It wasn't about the positive way he dealt with the fall... it was meant to be derrrogative.
Jahari is just one of those people that cannot take responsibility for what they say or acknowledge anything. This is what makes him such a laughingstock.
I've never claimed to know everything. I like to learn things and have rational discussions and arguments... people that argue like Jahari are a waste of everyone's time. They are close-minded to everything but the illusions of greatness floating around in their own heads.
Ick.
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Reply by bestcal on 12/28/06 10:11pm
Msg #168117
Re: OT: of interest-Susan
Why don't you post your political bullsh*t elsewhere!!
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Reply by bestcal on 12/28/06 10:12pm
Msg #168118
Re: OT: of interest-Susan-That is Susan Shipman n/m
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Reply by CaliNotary on 12/28/06 10:16pm
Msg #168119
If I may steal this
Mmmmm, let me think a minute......
No.
The title was "of interest". It is of interest. For the past 5 years Saddam Hussein (and even longer to the poor Kurds) has been of interest.
Jahari - you need to go to the dictionary and look up the meaning of the word. Never mind, I'll help you:
"Of or relating to government, or a government, or the conduct of government. Of or relating to and involvement in party politics".
This post was about current events. Think back to the fifth grade or so and if you recall essays about current events, you'll understand better.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/28/06 10:43pm
Msg #168126
Silly Louise
You seem post my name alot, as though "outing me", which is just plain silly.
Anyone on this board can find out my true identity, anyone. Even SS and title companies. Which is nice, actually, because then they know I know what the hell I'm doing when I do signings.
I appreciate the advertisement - muchas gracias.
BTW-I'm going for my real estate license very soon now. Any tips about the test?
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Reply by Becca_FL on 12/28/06 10:50pm
Msg #168128
Re: Silly Louise
The Real Estate business must be slow in the East Bay...Louise has flipped her wig again.
I wonder how her broker feels about her posts? Hmmmmm.
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Reply by Joan Bergstrom on 12/28/06 11:26pm
Msg #168140
Real Estate Test
My Real Estate friends in Riverside CA say the most important thing they did to pass the CA State Exam was doing a "Cram Weekend" before they took the test!
Best Wishes on the exam!
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/29/06 12:54pm
Msg #168250
Thx Joan, I've heard the same. n/m
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:38pm
Msg #168144
TitleGal
I took the Real Estate exam and passed it on the first try.
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Reply by bestcal on 12/28/06 11:39pm
Msg #168145
Re: Silly Louise-Susan
The real estate business did not work for you in the 80's.Good luck this time around!
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Reply by Pamela on 12/28/06 11:42pm
Msg #168147
Bestcal!
Love your sense of humor (i.e truth)! ("smile"
Glad to see that all is well with you!
Pam
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Reply by bestcal on 12/28/06 11:43pm
Msg #168149
Re: Bestcal!Pam!
Good to see you post also!Compliments of the season!Keep it up-You know your stuff!
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Reply by bestcal on 12/29/06 12:57am
Msg #168163
Re: Silly Louise-Susan
You took that exam long before I ever had any sense
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Reply by christiSocal on 12/29/06 1:33am
Msg #168167
Trying so hard to keep fingers off keyboard...
resistance is futile, I give up.... SENSE you had sense at one point????? Where'd ya lose it? Vegas? Gosh, so many questions. How long did you have it? 1 week, 1 month? Couldn't have been long. Do you miss it? (or can you tell the difference?) Dang, I was trying sooo hard to stay out of this.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/29/06 12:53pm
Msg #168249
Is that right?
Hm. And here I thought I was raising two small babies in the eighties. I must have a twin somewhere who was busy working on a career.
Hate to burst your bubble, but I expect there's more than one person with my name in the state of CA.
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Reply by David Kral on 12/28/06 10:29pm
Msg #168121
More likely.....
"More guilty than charged."
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Reply by PA_Notary_II on 12/29/06 9:43am
Msg #168217
And finally, as 'Doc' would say....Yoi to the World !
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Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/29/06 3:05am
Msg #168170
Re: OT: Organized Crime
Well my 2 cents. I agree with Jari that the invasion of Iraq was politically motivated and I agree with Pam that it was about Oil. But both of you are absolute idiots not to see that Oil equals money and that money was being openly used by the Bath party (non religious Iraq Mafia) to finance terrorist inflicted death to Jews, buying off Officers in the UN as well as whole Nations such as France and Russia. Remember we had to use an Army to crush a mobster in Panama to protect the canal. Now Iraq is just a disorganized religious fight
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Reply by Pamela on 12/29/06 4:11am
Msg #168172
Joe
". . . you are absolute idiots. . ."
Why must someone be called an "idiot" (on this board) because they disagree with your interpretation of events?
". . .not to see that Oil equals money and that money was being openly used by the Bath party (non religious Iraq Mafia) to finance terrorist inflicted death to Jews, buying off Officers in the UN as well as whole Nations such as France and Russia. Remember we had to use an Army to crush a mobster in Panama to protect the canal. . ."
This statement is highly debatable. Your attitude is that the U.S. has "clean" hands.
For which it does not. The U.S. has funded many a war for financial gain and power.
And as far as the Jews being "terrorist inflicted", you need to thoroughly
research and read both sides of this turbulent issue, before making such blatant
accusations. The Jews are not "innocent" by any means. Many have called them
terrorists too.
I am a great admire of President Jimmy Carter. I have not had the chance to read
his new book, but from what I gather, he is 100 percent on the mark.
Pamela
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Reply by Pamela on 12/29/06 4:18am
Msg #168173
Joe, Spelling Correction
should be: admirer. . .
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Reply by SueW/Tn on 12/29/06 11:52am
Msg #168241
Pamela
Is it just me or is it a fact that you instantly come to the defense of those that have a bit of a slant on the discussion? You came rushing to Fran's defense, to Louise's and now to Mr. Davis. Fran and Louise were...well, wrong. And Mr. Davis? He dances to a different tune but you always seem to zoom in with high 5's...what's the deal?
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