Posted by PB_CA on 12/8/06 9:49pm
Msg #164921

Official Plat

Has anyone notarized an Official Plat? How would you do did because it is a special type of surface and you can't use your stamp on it. I know I have read about it but I just can't remember where.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 9:57pm
Msg #164925

PB, an official plat is an actual tract/parcel map that newly subdivides a property. Because the original mylar product that it is drawn on doesn't support a 'stamp' and the SOS understands that, a separate paragraph is written for your commission number and expiration date.

Your title company should be educating you about this. If not, please email me, I'll respond right away.

Or? You could take a walk on the wild side and email Notary Doc. He/She seems to know everything and thinks I don't 'educate'. Don't draw the short stick, my friend!

Reply by PB_CA on 12/8/06 10:04pm
Msg #164927

What if it just wants your signature? Should you put your commission information on it anyway?

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:07pm
Msg #164930

Yes, honey, it will require your signature, in indelible ink. It will also require your commission in indelible ink.

It it were me...I'd call the title company subdivision officer in advance and have him fax you the language.

You dont want to arrive with all those pentel pens to find out all the language is wrong.

Plus, if he knows you are "expert" in map signings???? PB...you just opened a new and sadly overlooked market in signings. CHARGE APPROPRIATLY!!!!

I promise you'll get referred in the future. Best regards....but do it right!

Reply by Helen Tasheuras on 12/8/06 10:06pm
Msg #164929

Don't know for sure, but think this is something you shouldn't do. It sounds like something the surveyor does, they have their seals...sometimes I just know enough to be dangerous Seriously, I think this is something maybe you should speak with your local govt Land Records and / or a member of the American Land Title Association and get their opinion, BEFORE you notarize it If it was not a weekend, I could probably get you an answer by tomorrow, but you know it is almost impossible to find out anything from officials on weekends.
Good Luck, and rather be safe than sorry.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:10pm
Msg #164933

No the surveyor doesn't do it (how do these things happen?)

Only a notary can.

And a GOOD notary will do her homework and make sure it's perfect.

(Actually any notary can do this........if they take a nano-second to read their darn book).

Reply by John_NorCal on 12/8/06 10:14pm
Msg #164935

Just takes knowing the book. Right TG? n/m

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:15pm
Msg #164936

As always, John, you need no help. (BTW...happy holidays!!! n/m

Reply by Becca_FL on 12/8/06 10:24pm
Msg #164939

Correction TG. Any CA notary can do this.

I can't do it in FL and can't for the life of me figure out why a MD Notary would be telling a CA notary what they can and can not do. (If it were PAW or Bob or Sylvia, then I could understand)

I know for a fact that I've seen Joe post about doing this. The search function is a great tool, as is your state manual.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:39pm
Msg #164945

B you're right about Florida

and you're also right that NO MD notary should be advising. There a big fat statement in the CA hand book:

Go to page 7...scroll thru the list of 7 items, then find the second paragraph. It is clear that no stamp belongs on a mylar marp. (wasn't this a test question for the SOS? Jeepers.)

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:14pm
Msg #164934

Boys and Girls

out of a lack of understanding in this entire thread you are all overlooking a MARKET! Understand the (easy) requirements of mylar map notarizations and you can net $1200 a year but simply putting your thinking caps on!

Remember:
1. ID Skills first
2. Education
3. Applying that education to special situations.

There's no excuse for a notary not working if they KNOW evreything they can do. (Unless it's Notary Doc, of course).

Reply by Gerry_VT on 12/8/06 10:22pm
Msg #164938

If you expect to do this often, you can have a stamp made that uses a type of ink that works on mylar. Engineers and surveyors often buy these stamps. Of course if you're in California, you'll have to find a stamp maker that is both familiar with the special ink, and approved to do notary stamps.

Reply by PL on 12/8/06 10:24pm
Msg #164940

In Oregon no stamp needed only archival ink. Fairly easy n/m

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:26pm
Msg #164941

No Gerry

With all due respect, that 'stamp' (althought it is a good idea) doesn't exist.

When a notary notarized sigs on a mylar map to be recorded (in eternity) with a county recorder, subdividing property? It's all about the hand written acknowledgement.

Maybe, after we deal with illegal aliens, healthcare and education? We as a state might get around to "stamps" on a mylar map.

Many county recorders WILL reject. Do it right and learn a lesson and create a market. Do it wrong, get annoyed, and walk away - you just gave a little niche in the business.

Reply by Gerry_VT on 12/8/06 10:38pm
Msg #164944

Re: No Gerry -- why not?

I don't quite follow TitleGalCA's posting. Since I had never heard of a state that would disallow a seal and insist on handwriting the seal information, I checked the CA notary handbook and found this: "Because subdivision maps are usually drawn on a
material that will not accept standard stamp pad ink and other acceptable inks are not as readily available, acknowledgments for California subdivision map certificates may be notarized without the official seal. The notary public’s name, the county of the notary public’s principal place of business, and the commission expiration date must be typed or printed below or immediately adjacent to the notary public’s signature on the acknowledgment. (Government Code section 66436(c))"

It says the infornation that ordinarily on the seal MAY be typed or printed instead, but it doesn't say it MUST be. So I wonder if TitleGalCA is telling us that while a seal combined with ink that works on mylar would be legal to use, nobody manufactures such a stamp? Or perhaps she is telling us that since county recorders are not used to seeing notary stamps on plats, they will reject them without bothering to check if the ink smears or not?

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:45pm
Msg #164947

Gerry, you're tiring me go to post 161495

and follow the instruction about the CA handbook.

do you think I've had 4 commissions and don't know sh*t about what I'm doing...especially when I'm a subdivision expert?

You wanted proof. It's there. Page 7. 4th paragraph down. WTF are you making me work so hard? If it's for the sake of argument...I'll ignore you form now on.

Reply by Pamela on 12/8/06 10:56pm
Msg #164950

Title Gal,

I found the section regarding sub-division maps, to be on page 9
of the Notary 2006 Handbook.

Http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/notary/notary_contacts.htm

Also, although I've never "notarized" one (yet), shouldn't
an embosser also be used? (This was taught in my first notary class.)

Pam

And, unless I'm mistaken, message 161495 didn't show anything about maps. . .

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 11:10pm
Msg #164956

Re: Title Gal, Pam...in a word? NO! n/m

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 11:14pm
Msg #164959

and frankly I'm tired of trying to convince a bunch of

argumentative notaries. It's one thing to offer up a potential opportunity in these down times to help you. But to be shot down by a bunch of officious "let me show you how your wrong" notaries is just to keep you where you are....looking for work.

I'm done, not another word on the subject - you're on your own. Good freaking night.

Reply by Pamela on 12/8/06 11:22pm
Msg #164962

Titlegal. . . I'm tired of trying to convince a bunch of

Pardon me, but I did not think that I was being argumentative.
Just asked a question. . .

Goodnite "Gracie"!

Pam

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 11:33pm
Msg #164968

Re: Titlegal. ..(sigh) the cumulative total, I suppose. n/m

Reply by Pamela on 12/8/06 11:18pm
Msg #164961

Re: Title Gal, Pam...

Well Thanks for clearing that up!

Really!

I do have an embosser though (specifically
for that purpose). Purchased it when I first
became a notary. Haven't used it yet
(and will not be using it on any sub-division map).


The things we learned in notary school. . .("smile"


Pam

Reply by Pamela on 12/9/06 12:38am
Msg #165001

Title Gal, Major

Mistake! Just checked notes.
The instructor was referring to (some) foreign
countries, NOT sub-division maps!

Pam

Reply by Gerry_VT on 12/8/06 10:58pm
Msg #164951

Re: Gerry, you're tiring me go to post 161495

TitleGalCA, I read the same paragraph in the CA notary handbook that you directed me to. It says a notary MAY print or type the seal information instead of using a seal on subdivision map. It does not prohibit the notary from using a seal, so long as the seal creates a legible, photographically reproducible image.

I'm not trying to argue, it's just that I've always been curious about different forms of creating written documents, and as an electronics engineer I often used to handle lots of mylar. So far, I have not done the kind of engineering that requires sealing anything, but you never know what might come along. It would be nice to know about pitfalls of various kinds of seals.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 11:05pm
Msg #164954

Oh for gods sake you all want to shoot holes in an accepted

practice, in subdivision mylar maps and in subdivision.

Ya'll go for it. Don't come whining to me when your title company WON'T use you again for map signings; or use you for know knowing WTF you should know in this niche market. And it is a NICHE MARKET (entrepretuers get this).

I'll be willing to bet there's a really smart notary out there....reading this thread....taking notes...and will be making friends with civil engineers and title companies....all the while you want to shoot holes in the facts I'm telling you.

You go...silent, smart notary!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 10:51pm
Msg #164948

Re: No Gerry -- why not?

***It says the infornation that ordinarily on the seal MAY be typed or printed instead, but it doesn't say it MUST be***


It's a PRACTICAL reason because the notepads/inks AREN'T writtin in indelible ink and they have to on a subdivision mylar) last for 100 years!

Dude - do you're own freaken research from now on if you're ignoring the experts. You just lost a market, and a resource by stupid arguing.

Good luck.

Reply by PB_CA on 12/8/06 10:54pm
Msg #164949

TitleGal

Thank you for the information but this plat is from Nevada. Do they have any special standards?

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/8/06 11:00pm
Msg #164952

Re: TitleGal

You said: ***How would you do did because it is a special type of surface and you can't use your stamp on it***

Didn't I answer the question?

There's only one situation (read: ONE) where stamps don't apply: Mylar Maps that subdivide property. They must last for many years and almost all goverment codes allow for the fact that ordinary notaries don't have anything but standard stamps/standard ink. They must write in their commission expiration date in PERMANENT INK.

Honestly, guys - I love to help where I can but when you argue me to death about the obvious, it's a bit frustrating!

Does your stamp not smear PB? Does it contain 'special ink'? Will it stand the test of 100 years on a very pourous substance such as mylar?

If you can answer yes, and your recorder accepts it...prove me wrong.

Otherwise, Gerry has irritated me right off the board tonight.

Hey Gerry? Why don't YOU advice PB. After all...you've done lots of these, right?

Reply by PB_CA on 12/8/06 11:12pm
Msg #164958

Re: TitleGal

I understand about the ink and the stamping but I was referring to the wording, California vs's Nevada. I do understand what you were talking about. It is hard to get the information when there are people arguing during the conversation between two people. Thank you for your help TitleGal.

Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/8/06 11:33pm
Msg #164967

This is notary class 101 and always a test question. You missed that one didn't you.

The notary seal is affixed to every document notarized with one exception, The Official Plat.

The notary completes the notarization with a "sharpee" and in lieu of the seal the notary writes his name, county of principal place of business and commission experation date.

Reply by Pamela on 12/8/06 11:39pm
Msg #164971

Joe, Re: Official Plat

In my notary class, we were also told to always use an embosser
on sub-division maps. The teacher even gave an illustration.
But as I read these posts, I see that this is not the case.


Pam

Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/8/06 11:46pm
Msg #164974

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat

EMBOSSER! LOL... who told you that?

Reply by Pamela on 12/8/06 11:52pm
Msg #164977

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat

A Notary Public Seminars' instructor.

Pam

Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/8/06 11:56pm
Msg #164980

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat

NNA?

Reply by Pamela on 12/9/06 12:00am
Msg #164981

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat

No, that's the name,

Notary Public Seminars!


Pam

Reply by Charles_Ca on 12/9/06 12:02am
Msg #164982

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat. I've never understood why people

tend to argue on thins they have little knowledge about. TitleGal works with many developers and is very well versed in the needs and proclivities of this specific area. To argue when some like TitleGal with her experience tries to help out only demonstrates the ignorance of the person arguing. Evidently Joe also knows his stuff but I don't know Joe. However I have always found Joe's posts well considered. Embossing on mylar does not meet the requirements of the phtographically reproducible notary information, causes tears in mylar if you can effectively distort the document so as to leave an embossed mark that is readable and if you emboss over information you may destroy the information in the embossed area rendering the map useless. Unfortunately there are many self-professed experts who really don't know what they are talking about. With the experience TitleGal has her expertise is well founded and I have never found her information to be incorrect.

Reply by LawrenceOK on 12/9/06 10:17am
Msg #165030

Re: Joe, Re: Official Plat. I've never understood why people

This is something that the typical Loan Signing Agent would not know Charles. However, a Professional Notary would. In Oklahoma, we can notarize the owners or developers cert, the engineers cert and the surveyors cert. depending upon the type of plat. Sometimes the language is typed in and sometimes it isn't, so it's a good idea to know it. I agree with you and titlegal and these type notarizations are best left to the pros. jmo

Reply by Pamela on 12/9/06 12:36am
Msg #164999

Joe,

Major mistake (just checked notes)!

The instructor was refering to (some) foreign countries, NOT
sub-division maps.

Pam

Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/9/06 12:40am
Msg #165002

Re: Joe,

I have Gold Seals just for that purpose.

Reply by Pamela on 12/9/06 12:42am
Msg #165005

Re: Joe,

I am sooooo embarrassed!

Pam

Reply by Ndwa on 12/9/06 2:01am
Msg #165010

For practice

Try writing, stamping, and crimping your embosser on wax paper to see which shows better result.

Reply by Ndwa on 12/9/06 2:04am
Msg #165011

Oops...For practice

Don't forget to roll the paper up since most maps are kept in roll.