Posted by Calnotary on 12/21/06 12:48pm
Msg #167159

Update on Message#165900 Fake Id.

I got a call from the SS that hired me to do this signing. The lender is aware of the situation. The borrowers are getting their own notary to notarize the docs. And they are using a green card for notarization. I could see who will notarize this and report it to the SOS. But if lender is aware of the situation hey I can care less of the outcome. I am out of it.

I still got paid my full fee.

Reply by GF_CA on 12/21/06 12:56pm
Msg #167162

Green card can be use for ID right? I bought my first house and I use my green card, because I didn't have yet the driver license. Every think took place at the Title Company.

Reply by CaliNotary on 12/21/06 12:59pm
Msg #167165

No, a green card can't be used as ID.

Why don't you already know the acceptable forms of ID? It's your job as a notary to know these things, there is no excuse for such ignorance.

Reply by GF_CA on 12/21/06 1:01pm
Msg #167167

did you read my message? n/m

Reply by CaliNotary on 12/21/06 1:04pm
Msg #167171

Re: did you read my message?

Yes, you asked if a green card could be used as ID. As a notary you should already know the answer to this question. That somebody else did an illegal notarization for you in the past doesn't relieve you of your obligation to know BASIC notary law.

Reply by Cassandra Andrews on 12/21/06 1:38pm
Msg #167186

green crd only for notarizing immigration docs n/m

Reply by Gary_CA on 12/21/06 2:01pm
Msg #167192

Really? This ain't that tough folks...

Page 8 of your handbook... simple as pie...and no green card anywhere, not even for immigration docs...


A. Paper Identification Documents – Identity of the signer can be established by the
notary public’s reasonable reliance on the presentation of any one of the following documents,
provided that the identification document is current or has been issued within five years
(Civil Code section 1185(c)(3) & (4)):
1. An identification card or driver’s license issued by the California Department of Motor
Vehicles;
2. A United States passport;
3. Other State-approved identification card, consisting of any one of the following, provided
that it also contains a photograph, description of the person, signature of the person, and
an identifying number –
(a) A passport issued by a foreign government, provided that it has been stamped by the
U.S. Immigration or Naturalization Service or the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services;
(b) A driver’s license issued by another state or by a Canadian or Mexican public agency
authorized to issue drivers’ licenses;
(c) An identification card issued by another state;
(d) A military identification card;
(e) An inmate identification card issued by California Department of Corrections, if the
inmate is in custody.
NOTE: The notary public must include in his or her journal the type of identifying
document, the governmental agency issuing the document, the serial or identifying number
of the document, and the date of issue or expiration of the document that was used to
establish the identity of the signer (Government Code section 8206(a)(2)(D)).

Reply by Gary_CA on 12/21/06 2:15pm
Msg #167196

Hey TitleGal did ya notice?

A direct quote from the handbook, and page was given... including references from Civil Code and Government Code, but I didn't look them up and copy them because then I'd have to bill you, which of course would be illegal...

I'm I still an Officious Jerk... or just a plain vanilla jerk ?? ( I don't mind being a jerk or even a jackass, but the whole thought of being pompous, well that got under my skin.)



P.S. Thanks for your experience and your no-nonsense style.

Gary

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/21/06 8:54pm
Msg #167285

Re: Hey TitleGal did ya notice?

LOL Gary...officious is necessary, but the jerk part is voluntary!

You may fit the first part, but no way the last part!!

thanks for the kind words - you and yours have a Merrry Christmas.

Reply by PL on 12/21/06 2:19pm
Msg #167198

Re: Really? This ain't that tough folks...

Quite interesting that a Canadian or Mexican Drivers license is fine, but an official US Issued ID is not. Sometimes I wonder what goes on in California, especially Sacramento.

Reply by Gary_CA on 12/21/06 2:21pm
Msg #167199

You don't want to know what's in your sausage...

or what goes on in Sacramento... really... it's better not to ask.

Reply by Blueink_CA on 12/21/06 3:38pm
Msg #167212

But Gary

I always thought what goes on in Sacramento, stays in Sacramento. No?

Reply by Gary_CA on 12/21/06 3:54pm
Msg #167214

Don't we wish...

No, unfortunately, what goes on in Sacramento definitely does not stay in Sacramento...

On a bad day the odor from the capitol building in Sacramento can waft farther than the odor from the dairies in Turlock.

Reply by BrendaTx on 12/22/06 7:10am
Msg #167345

Re: Don't we wish...Ah yes, Sacremento...

I flew there in late January of '81' I was due to deliver at the end of March and looked like I was due any day. Large, I was. Very huge. When we were getting of the plane, a guy hit on me in a very low voice and, uh hem, little left to the imagination. It was icky in my condition and all. Mighta been nice in a walk on the wild side way three months later, but not so nice on that day.

So....that's my memory of Sacramento.

(=|)

Reply by Gary_CA on 12/22/06 10:05am
Msg #167368

See, what'd I tell ya...

if that had happened in Vegas Brenda would have never told us about it.

Reply by rengel/CA on 12/21/06 2:58pm
Msg #167204

Re: Really? This ain't that tough folks...

<<<<Quite interesting that a Canadian or Mexican Drivers license is fine, but an official US Issued ID is not. Sometimes I wonder what goes on in California, especially Sacramento.>>>>

Perhaps because a Canadian or Mexican DL has the person's photograph on it and a green card doesn't??????? It's very difficult to be sure that the person is who they say they are with just a card with height, weight, eye color and hair color don't you think?

My .02

Reply by Calnotary on 12/21/06 3:55pm
Msg #167215

All green cards have photo on them. n/m

Reply by rengel/CA on 12/21/06 4:17pm
Msg #167233

Re: All green cards have photo on them.

Really? I guess I've never seen one so I didn't know. Thanks for the education

Reply by Cassandra Andrews on 12/21/06 5:34pm
Msg #167248

tell me about it - i just clld SOS and finally . . .

after speaking to a supervisor regarding Govt Code 8230 did they say u can use a green card to notarize immigration docs but ONLY immigration docs folks!

Reply by Cassandra Andrews on 12/21/06 5:19pm
Msg #167246

Govt Code Section 8230 states (notice last par) . . .

8230. If a notary public executes a jurat and the statement sworn
or subscribed to is contained in a document purporting to identify
the affiant, and includes the birthdate or age of the person and a
purported photograph or finger or thumbprint of the person so
swearing or subscribing, the notary public shall require, as a
condition to executing the jurat, that the person verify the
birthdate or age contained in the statement by showing either:
(a) A certified copy of the person's birth certificate, or
(b) An identification card or driver's license issued by the
Department of Motor Vehicles.

For the purposes of preparing for submission of forms required by
the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service, and only
for such purposes, a notary public may also accept for identification
any documents or declarations acceptable to the United States
Immigration and Naturalization Service.

Reply by CaliNotary on 12/21/06 12:57pm
Msg #167163

It is possible they could find a notary who personally knows them, which would be a legal way to notarize. I think pretty much everyone in CA must personally know at least one notary by now.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/21/06 8:55pm
Msg #167286

LOL Cali

What's the latest update on the notaries in your zip code? It's been at least six months. Probably doubled by now.

Last time was oh, 1400 or so? Just curious.

Reply by CaliNotary on 12/22/06 12:44am
Msg #167327

Re: LOL Cali

Harry did his purge so that got rid of almost half of them. I just checked, it's now 876. On 12/8 it was 871 so it looks like I can expect the number to steadily climb again. I'm guessing it'll climb a little slower now than it was climbing last year, where it was increasing about 5% per month.