Posted by Janine Trublood on 12/18/06 4:33pm
Msg #166535
owner's acknowledgement
I am going to notarize a "condominium plan". Although it is not a mylar map, it looks exactly like one but on regular paper (also a lot smaller - legal size). Should I attach an acknolwedgement? The paperwork does not request this.
| Reply by Janine Trublood on 12/18/06 4:42pm
Msg #166538
Re: owner's acknowledgement - part 2 question
Also, the county under the acknowledgment is not the one I am in. What do I do regarding that?
| Reply by Larry/Ca on 12/18/06 4:49pm
Msg #166540
Is the notarial wording on the document?....
The county is always where your feet are when you notarize. If no wording they need to tell you which notarial act you are to perform.
Larry
| Reply by Janine Trublood on 12/18/06 4:57pm
Msg #166543
Re: Is the notarial wording on the document?....
the document was signed in Alameda County. the document was drawn up in San Francisco County where the property is. Can I cross out SF County and write in Alameda or just leave it be?
| Reply by Larry/Ca on 12/18/06 5:10pm
Msg #166544
The county that the notarization.....
takes place in is always the venue on the acknowledgement.
| Reply by Larry/Ca on 12/18/06 5:24pm
Msg #166546
Sorry I didn't answer...
your question. Yes, if the venue on the acknowledgement is SF, line through it, initial it, and write in the correct county.
| Reply by Janine Trublood on 12/18/06 5:25pm
Msg #166547
Re: Sorry I didn't answer...
thanks!
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 6:36pm
Msg #166553
Re: owner's acknowledgement - condo plan
Condo plan's are always on plain paper, sometimes legal size, sometimes letter size. I've yet to see one on mylar, but I suppose it's possible. Normally, only tract or parcel maps are on mylar and you NEVER use a notary stamp on a mylar map....regardless of whats-his-name who argued with me about it a while ago. On a mylar map, you write in your commission date and expiration. A good civil engineer (who creates the map) will keep up with CA notary acknowledgment wording, but if you are ever presented with one? Check it thoroughly for current language. Otherwise the recorder will reject it.
Back to your condo plan.....you've been presented with a document, already signed, with an acknowledgment. Just follow normal notary procedure and use the venue where your notarization took place.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 12/18/06 7:07pm
Msg #166565
Re: owner's acknowledgement - condo plan - Titlegal
I want to thank you for your input on surveys and mylar maps.
I feel like you can teach us an awful lot. The other day, I was handed a stack of surveys. "Can you fold these before the meeting?" Uh...yeah, sure.
One of the lawyers saw my perplexed look and took the time to teach me how to fold a plat / survey properly before I made a mess of it. Yes, there is a method! They knew it would be a folding disaster without a proper lesson...you ol' hands at RE and title know what I am talking about.
Take it from me, oh ye Peeps of the notrot community, I have seen so much in the last three months that I did not know (and I have been involved in lotsa this kind of stuff for 20 years) that I know our TG is a jewel to have around this place.
It's been enlightening to learn so much is out there that I did not know that I did not know...exciting, actually. Being able to tap her brain is a real blessing.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 7:22pm
Msg #166568
Brenda, you're a dear for saying so, thank you
and it's funny you should mention the "folding" of large size maps (whether surveys or tentative tract maps, or grading plans or plot plans...and there's more).
I used to work with an 'old timer'. This old timer didn't like the way I folded my maps after reviewing them for title insurability. He asked me..."hasn't anyone ever shown you how to PROPERLY fold a map"?
I said...."huh"?
With alot of disdain, he proceeded to fold the map I was working on in what appeared to me like origami from the fourth grade. After he was through, it looked really pretty, and the title of the map was the first thing you saw. It was very neat and organized looking, but complicated. I thanked him.
Then I continued folding them just like I fold my towels...in halves.
LOL...a lost art but if you continue folding survey's like you were taught? Think of it like handing down a family tradition...someone needs to know how to do it!!
| Reply by BrendaTx on 12/18/06 8:29pm
Msg #166578
Re: Brenda, you're a dear for saying so, thank you
**LOL...a lost art but if you continue folding survey's like you were taught? Think of it like handing down a family tradition...someone needs to know how to do it!!**
Tgal, I don't know whose idea it is to fold the way I learned to do them, but you are correct...it is like origami! It makes perfect sense though...when you unfold it, it is going to lay better for looking at the middle of it.
I have learned to appreciate your seasoned insight on maps, plats, surveys and the like as a result of my map folding lesson. I even shared a little bit on the notarizing info you mentioned..."well, I don't know how they want it done in our courthouse, but I know this Title Gal out in California who said blah, blah, blah." "Sounds good," said they. "Makes a lot of sense."
| Reply by BrendaTx on 12/18/06 8:29pm
Msg #166579
Re: Brenda, you're a dear for saying so, thank you
**LOL...a lost art but if you continue folding survey's like you were taught? Think of it like handing down a family tradition...someone needs to know how to do it!!**
Tgal, I don't know whose idea it is to fold the way I learned to do them, but you are correct...it is like origami! It makes perfect sense though...when you unfold it, it is going to lay better for looking at the middle of it.
I have learned to appreciate your seasoned insight on maps, plats, surveys and the like as a result of my map folding lesson. I even shared a little bit on the notarizing info you mentioned..."well, I don't know how they want it done in our courthouse, but I know this Title Gal out in California who said blah, blah, blah." "Sounds good," said they. "Makes a lot of sense."
| Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/18/06 7:30pm
Msg #166570
Re: owner's acknowledgement - condo plan
You stated... On a mylar map, you write in your commission date and expiration. Otherwise the recorder will reject it.
Actually doing that would absolutly cause the county recorder to reject the notarization.
Since I teach this stuff I have the last word.
Government Code 66436 (c) clearly states The notary public's name, the county of the notary public's principal place of business, and the commission expiration date must be typed or printed below or immediatly ajacent to the notary public's signature on the Acknowledgment.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 7:48pm
Msg #166573
Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
you succeeded.
Most civil engineers leave blanks for the notary's information (eg. the name..county, commission expiration, etc.). My statement about "writing in the commission" was advice for those who think they need to STAMP the map and don't know the Government Code, and have never seen a mylar map.
Why does re-stating the code in exact language make my post inaccurate? Most notaries here will never see a mylar map. I see them every day. You want to discuss the Subdivision Map Act with me? Better do some studying, bucko.
I've always given you the benefit of the doubt, but you can be a real a$$ sometimes. This is one of them.
| Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/18/06 8:05pm
Msg #166574
Re: Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
You know I called a paralegal in Los Angeles one time to discuss why the he /she /they portion of a notarized acknowledgement she had sent to me was left blank and she retorted "that's the way we do it in LA". Well probably so but that dosent make it ok.
Of course I am not a Title Officer just a Notary Public, but I can read the California notary Handbook. PLEASE correct me if i'm reading it all wrong.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 8:42pm
Msg #166584
Re: Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
***PLEASE correct me if i'm reading it all wrong***
I intend to.
First, your comments are similar to a phone call I might make to the Edison company. I want to know why my bill is higher this year than it was last year. I make two calls...and get two answers.
The first answer (from a true customer service representative who gets why I'm concerned) "your bill is higher this year than last year for two reasons. First, you used more electricity this year and second our fees are higher. Please refer to your bill to see the difference in kilowatts. Kilowatts is the measure of electricity we charge you for. Have you installed an airconditioner or new heating system this year that might increase your electricity"?
The second answer (from the officious jerk) "your meter registered 10 kilowatt hours, the equivalent of 100,000 watt hours for the month of December, an increase of 43 percent over the previous reading of 43,000 kilowatt hours from last year. We always read the lowest number on your meter, before we start multiplying units. The meter is never wrong, so therefore we are always right....after all, I teach new meter readers".
It has NOTHING to do with "the way we do it in LA". Your answer has EVERYTHING to do with quoting rhyme and verse out of context for an audience that really doesn't care about what the government code says - they just want to know one thing.....when is the one time they don't use a notary stamp?
There's a big difference in being helpful and educating from trying to one-up another poster with by quoting government codes to sound superior.
If you teach the stuff? I suggest you try a more user-friendly approach.
| Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/18/06 9:09pm
Msg #166590
Re: Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
In my eight short years as a notary I have only notarized a handful of Mylar maps but that's how I did it. So what should I tell my students? To print their name, County on their stamp and commission experation date or their commission number and experation date. I'm all about doing it right and I will change what I tell them if you tell me it's incorrect because you are the title gal.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 12/18/06 9:33pm
Msg #166597
Joe, I guess I am sitting down here in Texas scratching my
head and trying to figure out what she in the beginning that you took issue with. Still trying to figure it out. lI know you said she was wrong...you quoted something...you said hers would get rejected. What was the problem? I just don't see it.
| Reply by JanetK_CA on 12/18/06 9:44pm
Msg #166601
Re: Joe, I guess I am sitting down here in Texas scratching my
I suspect it was a mere oversight or typo. TitleGal said: "you write in your commission date and expiration", when in fact it should be the notary's name, county of notary's principal place of business and notary's "commission expiration date". I won't comment on Joe's style, but he did get the facts right according to the CA State-issued notary handbook. Just for any of you CA notaries who can't find yours...
BTW, Janine, all the answers to your questions are spelled out in black and white in your state notary handbook. If you don't have a copy of the one from the SOS (NOT the one from the NNA!!!!), I strongly recommend you request one right away or download it from the SOS website. Then consider that to be your notary bible and go back and study up every time you have a question. Better yet, go study it BEFORE you run into issues like this and you will truly be a notary professional!
Here's the link (I recommend every notary in CA have this in their Favorites list):
http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/notary/notary.htm
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 9:53pm
Msg #166605
Of COURSE it should be the notary's name, etc
the original statement was intended as a reminder that a notary doesn't use their STAMP on a mylar map, and was general in nature. Most notaries won't be presented with a mylar map, ever, hence the analogy.
I had no idea it would be put under a microscope and examined like a bug, if I had? I would have written out the freakin acknowledgment, line and verse.
It wasn't a typo. It was meant to help understand a single situation, in general terms. I'm tired of this already.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 12/19/06 6:55am
Msg #166650
Thanks, Janet...
**I suspect it was a mere oversight or typo. TitleGal said: "you write in your commission date and expiration", when in fact it should be the notary's name, county of notary's principal place of business and notary's "commission expiration date". I won't comment on Joe's style, but he did get the facts right according to the CA State-issued notary handbook. Just for any of you CA notaries who can't find yours...**
I see now. Thanks. I won't comment on Joe's style either.
I will comment to say that in the beginning when I first started posting I realized there were hair-splitters who would even jump in and attempt to make me look like a boob. I am very clear on when I am boobish.
One time I commented back to a CA person who had forgotten to get their journal signed and it would like require a trip to Guam or somewhere to get it signed now. (Impossible trip.) So, I said, "Make a note of it and do it next time. Move on, water under the bridge. You won't forget again."
I got this scathing reply from a seasoned notary that that was very bad "advice" it was LAW to have this done, blah, blah, blah. Seemed like a seized opportunity to make another "look" bad by quoting law, chapter, verse...funny, really.
(Yeah, whatever. I see you for what you are. Real life and perfectly sterile life are on two different planets.)
I have learned to ignore the people who split hairs...or, if I am in the mood, I jump them with both feet. Sometimes, if you don't do that, they get to be a real PITA. They have worked alone too long . . . well...that's my opinion, anyhow.
Have a great day, everyone.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 12/18/06 9:34pm
Msg #166598
Re: Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
Joe, I'm going to fax you something tomorrow, copies of several maps and acknowledgments. If you are sincere (and not being facetious) I'll show you what I mean. Seems there's some question.
Honestly - I've always thought you were professional in many ways so this whole exchange bothers me.
Like I said - if sincerity is there, so am I. Not interested in verbal arguing or sarcasm on a board between peers. Not my thing, atall. Maybe just a lack of communication. When you get the fax and don't like it...use the round file.
| Reply by ewing2surf on 12/19/06 1:23am
Msg #166639
Re: Okay Joe, if you are TRYING to be an officious jerk
Actually don't bother, I will not change the way I teach the government code no matter what you send me.
| Reply by MistarellaFL on 12/19/06 9:35am
Msg #166683
That bothers me
<<<<Actually don't bother, I will not change the way I teach the government code no matter what you send me.>>>>
Wow, even if you are proved wrong, you'll continue teaching the wrong way out of arrogance and spite? That would seem like a huge liability. Lack of knowledge is one thing, but choosing ignorance is another.
Even you can learn something Joe. You are not above it.
| Reply by Joe Ewing on 12/20/06 2:49am
Msg #166855
Re: That bothers me
First off I offered concessions to see if TG would take the bait and she actually did. (Note) There are very few California codes that are black and white and this one is. She should read her State Handbook and not make a public sport out of shooting the messenger.
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