Posted by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 12:21am
Msg #93637

Message from a "Newbie"!

As a "newbie" I looked at the signing boards to be better informed. I thought that everyone was nice, professional and knowledgeable.
However, I have discoverd that I was wrong! What disturbs me is that, there are "experienced' notaries here, who are downright rude and nasty!
When an opinion is expressed, it angers me that I have to be called "stupid" or told to kiss someone's @@@ just because they are in disagreement with me!
It's very unprofessional!

Reply by CaliNotary on 2/3/06 12:41am
Msg #93640

You just wrote in another post:

"This is America, I can speak on what ever issues I choose!"

So quit bitching about the things the rest of us speak about ya damn hypocrite.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 1:02am
Msg #93642

CaliNotary: The Very Example of Rudeness!

What are you talking about?

YOU are one of the most foul mouthed persons!

Yes! I can speak on whatever issue I choose. However, I am always courteous!

You are VERY ill-mannered! Apparently, you lack a good up-bringing!

Your response is the very example of my subject matter!

You verbally attack someone, when the message does not agree with you!

You do not clearly evaluate an issue. You are RUDE!!!

Reply by MichiganAl on 2/3/06 2:06am
Msg #93647

You are always courteous???

Did you actually say that in the middle of that last insult filled rant? Unbelievable.

Honestly, I think you might like the other board better. It's more for people of your, um, level.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 4:02am
Msg #93656

Reply to Michigan Al You are always courteous???

So that post by CaliNotary was acceptable to you?

Reply by MichiganAl on 2/3/06 9:32am
Msg #93733

Re: Reply to Michigan Al You are always courteous???

I can see by this thread that you have an answer for everything so I won't waste any more time after this. Cali is what he is, as are many of us. No pretense, no sugarcoating. We're polite to those who are polite, helpful to those who ask reasonably intelligent questions, and not so polite to those who are rude or lazy themselves. We don't pretend to be anything different. You, on the other hand, are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You claim to be a Christian who is always courteous, but you're an obvious hypocrite. You act like a poor little victim while insulting and disparaging someone else or a whole group of people. Nice try.

Reply by CaliNotary on 2/3/06 12:51pm
Msg #93871

I'm impressed Al

What are my chances with a 12 pack?

Reply by CarolynCO on 2/3/06 12:06pm
Msg #93827

Re: I second that suggestion! nm

Reply by PAW_Fl on 2/3/06 8:53am
Msg #93716

Right to choose ...

>>> Yes! I can speak on whatever issue I choose. <<<

While this is true, to a degree, you do not have the right to say anything you want **anywhere** you want. There are venues that allow you to do just that. However, when your long angry or violent speeches, usually of a censorious or denunciatory nature, become disruptive and antagonizing to the members, then your "right" is injudicious to say the least.

Take your preachings elsewhere, please. This is not the place for it. And on a personal note, I find your diatribes to be insulting and offensive.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 10:37am
Msg #93750

Reply To "PAW"

I find it offensive when someone, such as Victoria Ring (or anyone) can be slandered on this board, without being able to defend herself!

Yesterday, I noticed, you also climbed aboard the "band wagon", when Ms. Ring was being downgraded. That not one of these people did you address as being "censorious or denunciatory nature, become disruptive and antagonizing to the members" while they were express their "long angry or violent speeches"! There was even a remark about her size, yet that was okay. Her religious views were attack and that was fine!

Now, when I come to her defense, and express my views, I am now the "violent" one?

Not one person did I swear at or make threats to! However, if I were to talk to you in the manner for which these (two) notaries talked to me, you would be more upset!

This board talks about many subjects, and is not limited to notarial information. But what I have noticed, is that there is a "Clique". That some members are more "special" than others, and can say anything they want! Yet other persons, such as myself, are to be quiet or are to only make comments if it agrees with the board?

Talking about censorship!

Reply by Charm_AL on 2/3/06 10:59am
Msg #93767

Re: Reply To "PAW"

some general rules of thumb.

Don't discuss religion here...it's not a church board
Don't discuss politics here.
Don't discuss sex here.

There are many issues to talk about and discuss. Three issues I mentioned need not be included. As far as V. Ring goes, she knows that she can come here and defend herself. If she has affected many people and they have something against her, it's their right to talk about her and their experiences if they choose to.
I personally am a Christian, but am offended that it is quoted throughout what is supposed to be a training guide, it simply does not belong there.
You bounce in and ripped up this forum with your explosion of religion, V.R. etc. in defense of someone whom doesn't need defending, she knows exactly what the general public thinks of her. Your heroic intrusion backfired because you had no idea what you were jumping into.

If you feel the cliques or that you are purposely being silenced, perhaps you should move on. If you change your handle and come back as a notary looking for help or to contribute something positive, you may just get along and get responses.

I think now would be a good time to drop it, I'm so tired of the constant he did she did and let the board get back into some semblance.

Reply by CarolynCO on 2/3/06 12:08pm
Msg #93829

Re: Victoria Ring *CAN* defend herself on this board. nm

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 2/3/06 10:35am
Msg #93749

Re Cali

Cali may not always be polite,,,,, BUT He's usually right!

Reply by Becca_FL on 2/3/06 12:51am
Msg #93641

Newbie...

Go but a V. Ring book. I think it might be more to your liking.

Go feed the serpent.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 1:07am
Msg #93643

Yet, Another Example!

Everyone should be courteous and professional at all times!

It's disrespectful not to do so!

Reply by Glenn Strickler on 2/3/06 1:47am
Msg #93646

Hey, HereinSOCA, read the thread starting with

message number 91601 . There is a general frustration among long time notaries concerning those who go through one of the schools, get their commission and then think that they are going to make 50 to 100k per year with little or no work. Then they look to this board and expect those who have spent years to build their business to give away their customers and their marketing ideas to them.

The best way to do it is to search a couple of notary boards for "getting started". There will be a lot of info there. If you went to the right loan signing class, then you will be armed with marketing ideas and will have no illusions on how difficult it is right now to build a loan signing business. Go to the library or a bookstore and read up on how to write a business plan.

We were all newbies at one time or another. But what separates the adults from the kids is the will to do your own research and work your own business and not rely on everyone else to carry them along. It takes work.

I have shown a few wanna-be's my setup for printing docs, mobile office and marketing ideas and the response I get most of the time lately has been "I don't want to do that much work"

I personally don't mind giving suggestions to those who are willing to work and not have me hand them my business. What frustrates me is those who expect to make $$ without putting in the effort. They are looking for easy money. I won't help those who, by the tone in their posts, sound like they are looking or expect easy money.
Where do you fit in. Do you want to do the work, or do you expect someone to do it for you? Did you expect to have SS's, TC's or loan companies call you without any marketing at all? It sounds like you are a frustrated person who believed the marketing hype from the NNA and expected the money to just fall from the sky.

Pardon any typos. It's been a long day. In addition to my normal work, I fixed two signings done by notaries who had their heads in flakey positions. Just got in.

Reply by MichiganAl on 2/3/06 2:28am
Msg #93651

Glenn, a very reasonable response...but

Every day I feel less and less inclined to help someone new. The attitude and lack of gratitude just floors me. In any business that I've ever been a part of, I've always looked at those with more knowledge and experience and tried to glean as much as possible from them. Good advice, bad advice, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear (and it usually wasn't). I showed respect, I asked informed questions (not lazy questions), and I put my nose to the grindstone. I don't see any of that here. I didn't whine, I didn't cry, I didn't argue. All of it was valuable to me. Most of these newbie are as soft as new born chicks. It's pathetic. They have no business acumen what so ever. Some of us have been extremely successful and would love to pass it on. But why bother when you're dealing with people like this every freaking day. Sometimes I feel bad that 99 out of 100 will fail at this, especially in oversaturated places like SoCal. Other times, like now, I just feel like they deserve it.

Reply by Nd_WA on 2/3/06 3:46am
Msg #93652

Respect, Respect & Respect!

A day of life experience is a year of school textbooks. Always look to your teachers, mentors, elders and the wises with respect as though they are your parents. Otherwise, you will become nothing. (translated)

I have a feeling this thread is going to run off the board in no time. Just want to put in my 2-cents before everyone gets itchy fingers and glary eyes. You can not change a person's attitude, but you can certainly change yours toward a person (with bad attitude) for the betters.

Peace

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 4:14am
Msg #93657

Reply to: Nd_WA Respect, Respect & Respect!

Your response is Appreciated!

Yet, no matter how courteous one may be, it is not nice when people are verbally attacking someone by swearing and name calling!

It shows both a lack of self-discipline and a lack of respect for everyone (including themselves).

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 4:00am
Msg #93655

Reply To: Michigan Al

Still another respond for which I do not understand.

Earlier I had posted a reply, in defense of Victoria Ring. Two notaries decided to verbally attack me for this!

My pet peeve is not the advice given for notarial questions, its the inappropriate language used toward someone, because that person's opinions differs from the popular!

I stated that I was a "Newbie" because I am new. However, being new doesn't invalidate my viewpoints!

Reply by Shane_OH on 2/3/06 7:14am
Msg #93682

You were not verbally attacked...

You brought up points which we felt were incorrect. We offered a differing opinion, than you, and you felt attacked.

It was a difference of opinion, and as your tone increased, so did ours. This is to be expected on an open forum.

Gotta have a thick skin

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 3:50am
Msg #93653

Reply to Glenn Strickler

I do not understand the reasoning in your reply.

My comments were in reference to an earlier post, for which I had defended Victoria Ring and shared my religious views. I was told that I was "stupid" in doing so and that I was a Christian "freak". I was also told to kiss someone's @@@!

Why must so called "professional" men and/or women resort to name calling and swearing? If someone expresses an opinion and people disagree, why must that person be attacked?

I used the term "Newbie" because I am new to the notarial field. Wherefore, I am quite surprise to discover the name calling and belittling!

One of my undergraduate degrees is in Communications. I have worked (white collar) for many, many years and not once in a meeting, seminar etc. . .have I heard anyone say "kiss my @@@" or "your stupid" due to a differing of opinion!

Perhaps it is acceptable practice on this board!

Reply by SLP_VA on 2/3/06 5:37am
Msg #93661

To HereinSOCA

Don't let the rudeness get to you. Just take it in stride and ignore it or don't even justify it with a comment.

Everyone was a newbie at one time is how I look at it and sometimes that is forgotten. You can find some really good information on this board from the more "seasoned" veterans who have been doing this for awhile. Everyone is not as rude as others and some will really give great advice and opinions.

Welcome and good luck to you.

Reply by Anonymous on 2/3/06 7:06am
Msg #93680

Re: To HereinSOCA

Just ignore the jerk and his group of followers, his cows, his sheep. This Cali person is just like Rush Limbaugh, brainwashing the weak-minded day after day; going after newbies, starting trouble and caught time after time calling others inept yet he is the one who ends up with egg on his face, we all know he is wrong, he knows he is wrong, but! The sheep keep following... bahh bahhh bahh. You just said what a lot of others are thinking but don't have the nerve to say so because they are afraid of what he will say. Afraid! Amazing. Do what many others do: Chose to ignore his posts or click on them for daily entertainment (daily because he obviously has nothing in his life) and then feel sorry for someone who has such a terrible attitude, such a giant ego and one who has to get his jollies by being rude to newbies like you ... so his sheep keep following and so he can feel like he's important every day. Stay tuned for his and his sheep's response because it will come, they will join in and suck in other newbies like you, Glenn Strickler (it wasn't long ago that you were asking for help) Can't wait.

Reply by Anonymous on 2/3/06 9:42am
Msg #93735

Re: To HereinSOCA Very well said anon

it is so true, many in life are not leaders at all, they follow. This board has many followers, one chimes in and all the rest follow to support their buds, perhaps fearful of no being included. Calinotary is indeed one of the worst, I still don't understand why his swearing is tolerated. I have also noted, many of the posters might be someone you would never select as a friend.
Also, many of the notaries that bash, are new themselves, I can remember their arrival to the board. The know it alls, they would have no idea how to function in a professional arena and get along with others. It would appear they often post on the board to see their name...do ignore and only gain information of value, the silly attacks will continue.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 10:56am
Msg #93764

To: Anonymous HereinSOCA Very well said anon

Thank You!

I Agree 100 percent! There is a "clique" on this board! Apparently a person such as "CaliNotary" is very popular with "the group", regardless of his or her display of ignorance and hostility! Just because this person is skilled in their field, does not make them decent!

Have a Great Day!

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 9:24am
Msg #93732

To SLP_VA Thank You!

Thank You!

Reply by PAW_Fl on 2/3/06 9:02am
Msg #93720

Speaking of disrespect...

You have been extremely disrespectful to a lot of people that visit here. I find your continued proclamation of the "only" salvation to be disrespectful in every sense to me and my family. Not all of us share your belief. Our beliefs are personal and must remain so. I take it personally when someone forces their ideals and ideas on me when politely and courteously asked to stop. You have chosen to ignore those requests and therefore you will probably be leading the disrespectful team of sinners through the Gates of Hell.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 11:08am
Msg #93774

To PAW Again Re: Speaking of disrespect...

I see.
So, persons who curse and swear, such as Calinotary, show respect?
Those who talk about Jesus Christ are disrepectful!

There are many subjects discussed on this board. As you recall, Victoria Ring and the Bible was already being talked about (yesterday) BEFORE I joined in! There were many negative comments being made. Yet, when I express my positive views for Ms. Ring and the Bible, I became offensive?

When and who "politely and courteously" asked me to stop?

Who are the police patrol on this board?

Reply by PAW_Fl on 2/3/06 12:52pm
Msg #93872

Re: To PAW Again Re: Speaking of disrespect...

I was talking about YOU, not Calinotary. I find you disrespectful. (This is not to say the others aren't, just that I am not talking about anyone else. Just you. You have gotten under my skin and on my nerves. Thankfully, I have appointments that I've got to go on so I can drop this right here and now.) I also find your propaganda ill-conceived, obtuse and offensive. You do have the right to believe whatever your heart desires, however it is unethical, imo, to flaunt that believe in such a manner that it becomes offensive.

This is my last post on the subject and in this thread. Congratulations. You have made it to the top of my twit filter.

Reply by CarolynCO on 2/3/06 12:10pm
Msg #93831

Re: Herein, you are *always* courteous. NOT. nm

Reply by Shane_OH on 2/3/06 7:11am
Msg #93681

I respect your opinion...

i just think your wrong on the issue we were discussing before.
I think the discussion got off track from VR to the christian religion in general, and obviously your life belongs to your god, and you don't like dissenting opinions about it. Remember this is an open forum, and if you dive into subjects other than our profession, expect to have differing opinions, and some will not reflect your own.

The fact is, if and when you ask questions on this board about anything notary/loan signing related, you will usually get prompt and informed professional answers. Even from CaliNotary, who is absolutely filled with knowledge, especially regarding your state.

If you ask a question that has been gone over thousands of times, you'll probably get some grief.

Reply by Anonymous on 2/3/06 7:24am
Msg #93686

Re: I respect your opinion...

..."Even from CaliNotary, who is absolutely filled with knowledge, especially regarding your state".

Are you kidding? He/she is absolutely filled with him/herself. He's been dead wrong many times about state laws. You'll be much better off getting answers from those out-of-state.

And it doesn't matter that the question has been gone over thousands of times. This is a members board, not a board just for the "chosen" few.

Reply by Shane_OH on 2/3/06 7:34am
Msg #93694

Re: I respect your opinion...

It is a members board, however; unless you are new to the internet, its a common courtesy to do a search for your question, before re-asking it. It keeps the board from getting cluttered with the same banter. If you do a seach, find information that doesn't quite answer your question, then go ahead and post it....

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 10:46am
Msg #93754

to: Anonymous Thank You! Re: I respect your opinion...

Thank You!

Reply by MistarellaFL on 2/3/06 11:27am
Msg #93790

Enough's enough!

When you are a Christian, you know or will learn how to respond, and when and where you should give your testimony. This is not the place.
If anyone wants to hear mine, email me off-list.
If not, I won't (and shouldn't).
If you don't get it, email me off-list and I will explain.
"There is a season"! (Time and place)
You should recognize that quote.

Reply by BrendaTx on 2/3/06 12:42pm
Msg #93865

Re: Enough's enough! - Thank you Mistarella for that

reminder. I should have read it sooner.

Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 2/3/06 7:42am
Msg #93698

Hey, "Here"!

From one believer in Christ to another, I'd like to correspond with you "off the board". Since I don't have access to your e-mail AND only if you feel comfortable in doing so, send a message to the e-mail address in my public profile. I've a few words I'd like to share with you.

BTW, I've been involved in the "wars" on various Notary message boards going on 5 years now. What I have to say may or may not be of interest to you, but I believe I can provide you with some guidance for your future forays onto this board.

Reply by Jersey_Boy on 2/3/06 9:07am
Msg #93723

Jersey Boy's 2 cents...

When I first started reading notary rotary a few months ago, I too felt that there was a lot of bashing going on.

BUT----------> Now after reading every post that hits this board over the last few months, I've realized why (and I agree with why) there may be some "rude" comments thrown around now and then.

1. EVERY NEWBIE comes on this board and asks the same question (maybe even a good question) that some other newbie posted two days before that, and two days before that, ad infinitum (sp). I too am getting tired of reading this stuff, so if a "veteran" gives the newbie a quick shot answer (rude or not). I would tend to think that most of the other veterans find this amusing. I admit it, I find it amusing.

2. IF EVERY NEWBIE would realize that there is a FREAKIN search button, it would save a lot of time and "newbie bashing." I am very confident that there is an answer already posted to every notary related question that could be asked.

3. If a newbie has a question, think before you ask the question. Don't ask "how should I advertise," because that is the type of question that is just asking for a bashing. Ask a SPECIFIC question, i.e. "Is it better to advertise via email or direct mail." This type of question you will get a better and more professional answer/opinion.

4. Everyone here was at one time a newbie. I for one did not know of message boards, or mentoring, or NNA or books or anything of the like. I got my commission, I read the laws, I read the laws, I read the laws, I read the laws, I read the laws (noticing a pattern?), I memorized the laws. I figured things out. I learned from MY mistakes. Then I got lucky and found an awesome website that I could discuss things with my fellow notary. Now, I can ask a notary question, post about why I hate UPS, or throw out a silly SURVERY every now and then.
I have to be prepared to get my own @SS reamed out every now and then... I'm a big Jersey_Boy, I can take it.

5. ANY FINALLY TO ALL NEWBIES: If you can't understand or agree with #'s 1-4, then don't go away Mad....... JUST GO AWAY!

Reply by Cindy Dorman on 2/3/06 9:21am
Msg #93729

Amen to that, Jersey_Boy! BTW...when's the next survery?n/m

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 10:19am
Msg #93743

reply to: Re: Jersey Boy's 2 cents...

I did not ask a notarial question. I was responding to those notaries who were downgrading Victoria Ring and her religious beliefs. As a results, I was told to kiss someone's @@@, and that I was "stupid", among other things.

Reply by Jersey_Boy on 2/3/06 11:06am
Msg #93772

Re: reply to: Re: Jersey Boy's 2 cents...

I too am a Christian, but I do not believe in V. Rings crap.

While she may be a Christian, I feel she is using that as a tool to just sell more.
Hey, whatever floats your boat.

I am a Christian, and I STRONGLY believe in the SEPARATION of Church and State.

NOTARY is a STATE issue, not a religious one.... so separate beeootch <---V Ring... not you HereinSOCA

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 9:22am
Msg #93730

Dennis Thank You!

Thank You!

Reply by MT_CA on 2/3/06 10:21am
Msg #93744

Read, respond, enjoy and learn from the board...

but geez, don't take yourself so seriously. It's only a board!!!! my $.02

Reply by Anonymous on 2/3/06 11:48am
Msg #93817

Re: Read, respond, enjoy and learn from the board...

As a notary who joined this forum over a year ago, it is amazing to me all of the bantering that has been going back and forth for the past few months from the same 10 or so people. I really enjoyed reading and learning from all of the posters for a long time. I was just starting out going on closings, getting calls for adoptions or wills or affidavits and there was so much POSITIVE information, it is quite amazing what this has turned into. As a "newbie", I was never insulted, my questions were answered in a polite fashion and I was grateful for all of the help and suggestions. I do enjoy some of the OT discussions, the jokes, etc. But when I am looking for a post of notary interest, this has become a place that is hard to recognize from a year ago. I do agreet that any public forum has the right to discuss what they choose, to "bash" others or be downright rude. And some of you can say if you don't like what's being talked about, log off. But it would be nice if this forum returned to the wealth of knowledge it once was, and the non stop arguing would disappear.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 2/3/06 12:30pm
Msg #93855

Re: Read, respond, enjoy and learn from the board...

My synopsis.

There was a fair deal of bashing of V Ring for her religious tones in her book. A fellow christian defended her. Ms. Ring needed no defending and btw adding alot of religious content to her book was not the best choice in my opinion. I also agree that the book should have had a religous bend it it's title or an explaination on the back of the book that it was writen from a christian perspective (I have not personally seen the book). But she knew what she was doing and that is how she wanted her book to be. Had I not already heard of Rings incorrect information at speaking engagements I would have bought her book and it wouldn't have bothered me, yet there's definately content that is irrelevent to notary training.

The problem came when a few members went completely off and yes did attack the defending board member. Maybe they thought the board member was wrong. But she did nothing that the others did not do. She expressed her opinion. I don't think the bashing of the poster would have been as harsh if Ms Ring wasn't consistantly incorrect in some of her notorial teachings. There is already a fire, but then to add someone defending Ms Ring who happens to share the same religous beliefs was like adding napalm to an inferno. Did you actually think that the poster wouldn't defend herself? But since she did she's being called a holy roller, religous freak, and other lovely terms of endearment. I think most who posted in the original thread were wrong. Shane may be the only exception. SoCal was overzealous in the way she defended herself and should not have gone as in depth as she did. Cali you know I like you but I have to disagree with your statements reguarding the posters view. Yours is no better than hers and you certainly didn't stay professional when your point was supposed to be that religous content in a training book is unprofessional. Yet you addressed her every bit as disrespectfully as you feel she did to you even when you said something to the effect of "everyone chooses the beliefs that are right for them". 2 wrongs don't make either of you right. It is one thing to get frustrated over someone not knowing what a venue is, it's another to put someone down because thier religious viewpoint is different than yours. Becca you have a great business mind but you sunk down right along with Cali with your insults. PAW you know I respect your knowledge but your upset with her constant testimonial on redemption when it was a couple of posts in one thread. This thread was about the gang beating she recieved for stating a religious viewpoint. I would hardly call that constant.

It seems that there are those who are completely offended and inflamed at any mention of God whether it is a "God Bless you", or a testimonial. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to go personally attacking. There was just as much disrespecting and insulting by those who felt disrespect and insulted. Again 2 wrong don't make either right.

Just as this is not the place for testimonials. It is not the place for bashing anyones religious beliefs no matter what they are. She stated her testimony. She was totally attacked. Those who did attack aren't any better that the one stating her testimony in the wrong place at the wrong time.

So could we all get back to discussing Notorial topics please?

Yikes I was going to say just my 2 cents, but I think I put a couple of bucks worth in.

Reply by HereinSOCA on 2/3/06 2:12pm
Msg #93918

SaraBeth_CA Thank You!

SarahBeth,

Thank You!

You have been Very Fair in your treatment and understanding of the situation!

Your comments are worth a lot more than "2 cents"!

Have a Blessed Week!

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 2/3/06 2:21pm
Msg #93921

Re: SaraBeth_CA Thank You!

Just so long as you all know that I do remember that when I point at anyone there's always 3 fingers pointing back at me.

Saying I'm an Athiest is just as big of a personal belief statement as saying I am a Christian, or Muslim, or Hindi, or whatever. It is inevitable that someone will be offended no matter how you say it. Just be prepared because people will respond. You could say I'm a dog washer and somebody will hate you because they know or have heard of a dog washer that mistreated a dog and now the whole lot of them are bad. If you'd like to e-mail me my link is checked.