Posted by Anonymous on 2/6/06 4:44pm
Msg #94828

Newbie needs some help with the journal

Hello,

If I notarize 6 signatures on 3 documents (husband and wife both signing 3 dox each) do I get their thumbprint 3 times over..? I'm pretty sure that you are supposed to. Just checking to make sure.

Thanks in advance for the advice.

regards,
Notary in OC - CA

Reply by Charm_AL on 2/6/06 4:48pm
Msg #94830

I'm not in CA, but I think that's redundant!

Reply by Regal1 on 2/6/06 5:24pm
Msg #94843

One (1) print per signer. Not based on amount of signatures notarized. Remember to list all doc's notarized in journal.

Reply by srnotary_CA on 2/6/06 5:28pm
Msg #94845

I have them put a thumbprint next to each o f their signatures. So that there isn't any question. They usually don't mind.

Reply by janCA on 2/6/06 5:41pm
Msg #94849

By CA notary law....

you only need a thumbprint in your journal on deeds. Please refer to your CA notary public handbook. If you want to get a thumbprint on a regular notarization where there isn't a deed involved, that is okay, but you don't HAVE to.

Reply by srnotary_CA on 2/6/06 5:45pm
Msg #94850

Re: By CA notary law....

I never said that you have to get a thumbprint for every one. I know it is only the deed. But I as a peronal preference have them thumbprint for each doc I notarize. It is up to you how you have your journal thumbprinted. It was a suggestion from another notary and there are other notaries I know who do the same thing.

Reply by BrendaTx on 2/6/06 6:22pm
Msg #94851

Re: By CA notary law....Just my 2 cents.

Jan's right. We need to send people back to their rules for two reasons. 1 - so they learn the rules and 2- so we don't err in our advice.

I helped a lady through her first signing and it was last minute--just last week. I told her the answers and how-to but was clear I thought she HAD to read her rules and learn them.

I am sure she could tell I was a little stressed while we were talking because she had to get going, but she did not know any of her notary procedures and I was trying to explain how to attach an ack and fill in venue. That's bad not to know that on your first signing after learning in a notary class (Tx) that you have to know the rules first...but then you just blow them off and so what...just stamp it...it's not rocket science. (I do understand how you could think that.) Except you need to get the right words and things like that to make sure the dot records...that's what is important.

Texas notary rules are nothing like the NNA suggests for the correct way to ID. If I did not know that, I would have made many mistakes...before anyone thinks that's an NNA bash - not so.

It is really important to learn those rules. If someone has the opportunity to post, they cold have looked it up, right? Is it wrong to feel that strongly about it?

Actually, it probably is...I know better than to try to MAKE someone act the way I think they should so what is wrong is trying to control the situation and MAKING them look it up...I just have to say my opinion on it though. Every time they look something up they will learn more than just one thing. Okay. That's it. Thanks for listening.

Reply by Mitch_CA on 2/7/06 10:27am
Msg #94974

Re: another nickel

Some people can learn by looking it up. Others learn better by being told, or shown. Others can't learn, period, or are happy to let others do the work for them. I can't tell who is which so I bite my tongue and grit my teeth and say it one more time. And to think I gave up teaching to become a signing agent!

P.S. Sometimes I'm not successful at biting my tongue. No gold stars for me then.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 2/7/06 11:22am
Msg #95002

Re: another nickel

As a parent of children with disabilities understand the different styles of learning that each individual learns best by. But we are adults here. In this profession it is inexusable to not open that manual and study, study, study. Make fake journal pages and certs and practice (shred them of course). But please do your homework, there's a reason it is called Self Employment. Yes there is a time and a place for us to get our minds together and discuss the nuances of being a SA. But not being absolutley sure about when a thumbprint is required and not opening your state manual up to find out is just wrong. It only takes 5 minutes to do and that 5 minutes can save your butt if an issue ever arises. Now I'm not reaming anyone here. I'm just pointing out that it is of the utmost importance to know your laws first and foremost.

Reply by Mitch_CA on 2/7/06 1:46pm
Msg #95068

Re: up to a dollar

I should have mentioned, although I didn't see the point at the time, that I was a teacher of adult students. Adults also have different learning styles, they don't change much over time. Since the board guidelines tell us we can discuss "notarial procedures," I don't think the question about thumbprints in the journal was out of line. The answers newbie got were helpful in figuring out the best way to do things in the job, not just the only way. The handbook won't help newbie with that.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 2/7/06 2:13pm
Msg #95076

a buck 50

You can cover auditory, visual, and hands on learning styles for basics for yourself by doing the following. Read the manual out loud, make an outline on a chalkboard, make fake journal pages and certs and practice (shred of course). There's no excuse for not knowing basic notorial law for your state. I agree it may take some more time than others but it is possible to do. Learning about when a thumbprint is required is a lesson that takes 15 minutes tops to do. If you have to do it 4 times to get it down your still talking an hour of study. It's still not rocket science even for those who have different styles of learning.

Reply by Mitch_CA on 2/7/06 2:19pm
Msg #95081

Re: I agree

There is no excuse for not knowing basic notarial law. There is no reason for not posting a "notarial procedures" question.