Posted by TCMN on 1/17/06 3:23pm
Msg #88880
Got a question…looking for opinions….
First, we all have seen the recent posts where a company has listed a notaries FULL name and that notary then says they can’t talk about it because they are going to sue them and that is what's been advised by their attorney.
Well, I’m watching “Mad Money” last night and Cramer says that he calls the companies he doesn’t like by his own name (rather fluctuation of that name) and he gave an example of one he doesn’t like being A-von and he pronounced it Av-on.
If he is saying he would never buy that company's stock because he thinks they suck and recommends, on his show, not to buy it because it's not a good buy, how is that not slander when a company here is recommending being careful when using a particular notary?
He’s actually benefiting monetarily from his show and he's even advising people and they are doing what he says….a company on here doesn’t benefit by saying that in any way about a notary.
Are you going to say that Avon is going to come back and sue this guy? I doubt it. Is he giving his opinion? Yep. Is he trying to put Avon out of business? No.
I’m not seeing the difference folks? If I’m wrong, please let me know, I can handle being wrong.
| Reply by Gina on 1/17/06 3:38pm
Msg #88885
Everyone has a right to form an opinion. It's my understanding that if you state something and also state it's your opinion.
Example~~~In my opinion, John Doe needs to be better educated in his field. As a signing agent, his numerous errors have cost us business.~~~~
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/17/06 5:14pm
Msg #88898
Cramer is a prognosticator; he is not necessarily stating opinion. What he is doing is making a prediction.
| Reply by TCMN on 1/17/06 5:53pm
Msg #88910
but Becca...
he specifically said..."I wouldn't buy Avon stockm you shouldn't buy Avon stock, we're here to make money and that stock doesn't make money." Hit's a button to make some noise in the background that yells "Sell, Sell, Sell" and says, Sell it, buy something else"
How would you describe that then????
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/17/06 6:03pm
Msg #88915
Re: but TCMN...
prog·nos·ti·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prg-nst-kt)
tr.v. prog·nos·ti·cat·ed, prog·nos·ti·cat·ing, prog·nos·ti·cates
To predict according to present indications or signs; foretell. See Synonyms at predict.
To foreshadow; portend: urban renewal that prognosticates a social and cultural renaissance.
Vegas does it everyday by posting the odds. Many stock brokers, financial advisors, and professional prognosticators, such as Cramer, make a living at predicting futures, stocks, sports games and even Hollywood movies.
| Reply by Anonymous on 1/17/06 6:55pm
Msg #88948
Re: but TCMN...
Could you be anymore condescending or rude, Becca?
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/17/06 7:16pm
Msg #88957
Re: but Anon...
Are you sitting in my living room listening to my tone or are you simply prognosticating about my tone?
And, yes, I could be very rude and condescending, if I wanted to be.
Need I say more?
| Reply by TCMN on 1/17/06 8:11pm
Msg #88978
okay..
Becca, I understand the word, the meaning, the whole thing. What your failing to understand in the difference.
There really isn't any. The Vegas thing...anyone can give odds. What the point is that you seem to be missing is that Cramer is saying he doesn't like the company Avon, thinks they suck, hates their stock, and telling everyone to sell it if they don't want to lose money.
Now a company coming on this site, states they don't like a notary because they sucked at a job, wont use them again and tells everyone to be warned of their experience.
What's the difference really, if you look at it with that criteria? Seems the same to me. EXCEPT, that Cramer is leading a group that is VERY impressionable and CAN make a difference because he has a following. And if you tell me that's not true then you haven't seen his show or even the ratings. I think that a notary here on the board would find little concern for what one company that really has very little "following" or voice in the industry to waste the time and money for someone saying something about them UNLESS it is a complete lie.
It's just an observation but I think that those situations are very little to put forth any significant energy towards when it would be more beneficial to put that energey towards marketing for other business.
And Anon....an attitude or when someone is condescending it really is nothing but an attempt to feel superior when someone has low self esteem or self worth.
It's the try to make someone feel bad so I feel better attempt. Attempt failed.
| Reply by Mike_IA on 1/17/06 9:06pm
Msg #88990
Company stock versus company products
Cramer is talking about the performance of a company's stock. He is not talking about the quality of the company's products and services. See the difference? And as previously stated stock brokers, financial planners and others in the financial field are called on daily to give opinions on STOCKS which is completely different from PRODUCTS.
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/17/06 9:17pm
Msg #88994
Mike_IA
You've given me renewed hope. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
| Reply by TCMN on 1/18/06 10:31am
Msg #89125
Re: Company stock versus company products
well Mike, I understand he's talking about stock and performance and whatnot. BUT again, my point is....ready????.....are you sure?????
CRAMER, being someone in an influential position, can say don't buy, sel, get out, they suck, woulnd't touch it with a 10 foot pole, blah, blah, blah...can potentially cause DAMAGE with everyone selling....and NOT be held liable
but a little ole' signing company can post ACTUAL experience with, in a real situation, personal, hands-on experience, that they say is truthful and just warn others of their experience....and they are being sued for slander or whatever?
Seems that it's a little over-kill and far fetched for someone on this site or any other to have any DAMAGE. Or for everyone here to get on a bandwagon to "cheer" them on to talk with an attorney.
Now are you getting it? Mike, Becca, whomever?
Yes they are differet if you get specific inthe anal aspects....but if you look at where REAL damage can be caused or anyone would really care...here on a message board is a far cry from where it really has any merit.
now are we getting the point? no basis for much on a message board, more concern if you have something said publically! (really publically since this message boards isn;t really, ya get that)
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/17/06 9:09pm
Msg #88991
Re: okay..
I was not trying to be condescending at all. I was just trying to help.
But now let me put it to you in a way perhaps you and Anon can understand. Let me get my hammer for this.
IT'S ALL MEDIA YOU IDIOTS! People in the media, be it TV, Cable, Radio, Print are PAID to make predictions, give opinions and most of all, GAIN AN AUDIENCE so the network can sell airtime.
>>>What the point is that you seem to be missing is that Cramer is saying he doesn't like the company Avon, thinks they suck, hates their stock, and telling everyone to sell it if they don't want to lose money.<<<
You don't seem to get it. Cramer saying "He doesn't like the Company Avon, thinks they suck, hates their stock" is an OPINION BASED ON MANY FACTORS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, i.e. past performance, budgets, stock performance, company scandals, etc.
Is your NSA business publicly held? Must you publish your earnings/losses?
Do you remember Oprah's Beef problem? You might want to google it to get a clearer understanding.
Don't believe everything you see on TV, read in the papers or hear on the radio. AND most of all, don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially message boards. Don't let the bull fog your brain. Learn to think on your own.
In the mean time, read something that really matters like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
BTW, my self esteem is just fine, in fact better than most since I have the ability to think for myself instead of relying on the words of others.
| Reply by Nate_MN on 1/18/06 12:21am
Msg #89014
Re: okay..
Without getting into the debate about the similarities or differences of what Cramer does on Mad Money and what happens when a company posts a signing agents name, this is what I think.
I would be amazed if a lawsuit based on a single posting of a notaries name on an internet forum had any traction. It seems to me it would not be worth the time or money. I would think you would have to first prove the offense, then prove damages. I can't know for sure why people say they are filing a lawsuit, maybe it is because they just don't want to talk about it. Also, think how many signing agents don't read these internet forums. I was a signing agent for years before stumbling across this internet forum, just think of all the terrible things that could have been said about me.
I guess I tend to think the named signing agent would have no case. Of course that opinion is based on not a single day law school.
| Reply by Anonymous on 1/18/06 2:55am
Msg #89023
Re: okay..
You sound uneducated. It' a shame your on this website.
| Reply by CaliNotary on 1/18/06 12:54am
Msg #89017
Welcome to the Rude Club Becca
And I have to say I'm impressed; you managed to gain entry simply by posting the dictionary definition of a word! It kind of reminds me of 1990, when Madonna caused a controversy by using text from the Bible in one of her songs and was accused of Anti Semitism because of it.
You're in fine company there (not sarcasm, I love Madonna). You should be proud.
| Reply by Becca_FL on 1/18/06 8:37am
Msg #89052
Re: Welcome to the Rude Club Becca
Why thank you, Cali. I'll wear my Australian crytal "Rude Notary" badge proudly.
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