Posted by PA_Notary_II on 1/3/06 2:23pm
Msg #85781
The latest NNA insult
Read this before canceling your membership...it appears for all major metro areas.
http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=37918977&WT.mc_n=jobscomview
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Reply by AmandaCA on 1/3/06 2:25pm
Msg #85782
WOW!
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Reply by AmandaCA on 1/3/06 2:25pm
Msg #85783
WOW!
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Reply by AmandaCA on 1/3/06 2:27pm
Msg #85785
Sorry, did not mean to reply twice...
Hit some button and before I knew it only one word got posted..twice!
I should not be surprised.........money making for them but doesn't seem to support their members. Typical NNA.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 1/3/06 2:29pm
Msg #85786
Re: The latest NNA insult - nothing new... it's why I
stopped paying for a membership. Since I don't like the way funds are spent, I will not pay for a membership. Thanks for the reminder. I had been toying with the idea again.
It's my opinion that reaching new opportunity for the currect membership is the better way to spend membership funds...NOT to run ads like this.
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Reply by PA_Notary_II on 1/3/06 2:33pm
Msg #85787
Hey - Brenda
Tell me where I can buy E & O elsewhere and I'll take that portion of my business from them also. Where do you get yours?
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Reply by christiSocal on 1/3/06 2:45pm
Msg #85790
not Brenda, but you can get it here at notrot! n/m
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Reply by BrendaTx on 1/3/06 2:50pm
Msg #85794
E&O at NotaryRotary...
I got mine from another source but when it expires - this is where I will get mine. Mine is w/ Western Surety.
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Reply by sragland on 1/3/06 7:32pm
Msg #85822
Re: E&O at NotaryRotary...
ditto
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Reply by Teri_PA on 1/3/06 5:22pm
Msg #85812
Re: Hey - Brenda
You can get E&O insurance inexpensively if you a PA notary through PAN (www.notary.org)
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Reply by TCMN on 1/3/06 2:35pm
Msg #85788
WOW..and I had
paid for my membership the first time, went to the convention got a free year, got another free year when I went to a seminar in my state to see what they were telling /training people and so I think I might email them.
they have 36 postings of jobs, mostly all for signing agents but some for other positions.
Why are they not promoting SigningAgent.com for the current notaries?
And why do they need more notaries? they have like 17,000+ listed. What is that not enough money?
I'm ticked.
thanks for hearing my venting.
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Reply by Teddog_CO on 1/3/06 2:46pm
Msg #85792
That ends it all!!
What a pile of Poop! No more for NNA what a bunch of bottom feeders. Not to mention "never bit the hand that feeds you." They can expect no fees or purchases from this Notary, along with a few other people that do Nothing but suck money out of the Notary community.
As far as I'm concerned NNA can go take a long walk off a verrrry short pier.
Gee! If I seem a angry you would be correct.
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Reply by Teddog_CO on 1/3/06 2:52pm
Msg #85795
Sorry! that should be bite-not bit! Boy I'm Mad! nm
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Reply by Jacqi Shifflett on 1/3/06 2:46pm
Msg #85791
It sounds so easy doesnt it?????? What about all the hours spent waiting around for edocs not to mention Huds that are revised on a continual basis at the last minute after youve already left for a closing. Fax Backs....split packages........continuing education in Md.......E&O insurance and the cost of being bonded.Or sitting at someones filthy dirty kitchen table for a couple of hours because a loan officer did not effectively (or truthfully) explain the terms of the loan?I WONT be renewing my membership with them in March. I am done with NNA.
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Reply by Beth/MD on 1/3/06 2:49pm
Msg #85793
>>>Collect your fee. $50…$60…up to $125 per signing.<<<
Wow, I think I may be overcharging 
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Reply by BetsyMI on 1/3/06 2:56pm
Msg #85796
This ad is nothing new. I was a notary already in 2003 when I saw exactly the same ad. At the time I thought "Wow, $50 for a one hour job". So I went for it. And here I am 2 and 1/2 years later, making way more than $50 for a signing. So the ad does work. It does attract people. And where did I go? To the NNA.
I happen to be a hardworking, persistent, diligent, self starter with a great background in customer service and marketing. So I was able to make this happen, even in today's market. But not everyone who reads that ad will be so lucky. Just be happy you are already established with clients who call you, because it's not easy breaking into this business as other posters have indicated.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 1/3/06 9:16pm
Msg #85837
Re: The latest NNA insult - BetsyMI
We all got here some how, Betsy MI...From me your way is not that much different than the way many others came along. It was not the NNA ad which got my attention, it was a signing service site that made me look into this but that is pretty similar to you....some came because they heard something about it from a friend, etc.
The gripe from ME is NOT that people came because they saw and ad or heard about this, the problem at the base of my gripe with the NNA is they are a membership organization who seems to use membership funds to bring in more members to line their own pockets with additional membership fees, purchases, classes, etc. rather than use the money from the members for the good of the members. That's the thing people get testy about.
Free enterprise and capitalism is wonderful. I do understand this.
NNA would have been better off continuing to support notaries...seek real opportunities for members and starting a NEW *for* profit enterprise to teach, sell, and recruit people to buy their products. If that were the case, no one would have an inch of room to complain.
The way it is now, those like myself probably took one look at monster.com and wanted to scream because their membership fees are the ones apparently paying for those ads...which promote competition for the current NNA members--that's nuts!!! Competition is fine, but you just don't expect that you'll pay for ads to beg competition to come into your own neighborhood.
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Reply by JanetK_CA on 1/4/06 1:42am
Msg #85871
Re: The latest NNA insult - BetsyMI
They are a membership organization that only pretends to be like the professional associations someone else referred to (e.g. Am Medical Assoc, Vet. associations, etc.). They could get a ".org" website because of the National Notary Foundation which operates on donations, not on membership fees. And I'd bet that it's a very small part of the overall operation, yet they use the ".org" as their main web page, masquerading as a non-profit organization. The NNA is a business and the fees members pay go to a purely profit making enterprise. As I've said before, I find it disheartening that a company claiming to be promoting an office that is supposed to represent integrity in a transaction (the Notary Public), uses such disception.
I know this is nothing new, but it's still aggravating! You'd think they'd get a clue from all the notaries that don't renew and are taking their business elsewhere. Or maybe they have just found it to be more profitable to keep finding new people they can deceive.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 1/3/06 4:27pm
Msg #85804
That's it for me too, never again. N/M
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Reply by ColleenCA on 1/3/06 4:34pm
Msg #85806
Re: That's it for me too, never again. N/M
Yup, me too. That's why I am trying to find a 1 yr. E&O policy through another company.
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Reply by CaliNotary on 1/3/06 5:30pm
Msg #85813
I'm missing what the big deal is
The NNA has been running these ads for years and this, and their other money grubbing business practices have been discussed ad nauseum on this board since I've been here. They've always been solely profit oriented and never attempted to hide the fact that they don't give a flying f*** about their members once they have your money.
What is it about this particular thread that has lifted the clouds off of so many people's eyes that the other 500 threads haven't?
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 1/3/06 5:53pm
Msg #85815
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
for me, it's the fact that it was in Monster.com. I wasn't aware their advertising was so far reaching, including that venue (althought I can think of a few lately who might have come from the ranks of monster.com). Actually looking at it, in all it's glory, sent me over the edge.
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Reply by patricia on 1/3/06 6:36pm
Msg #85818
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
they have been on that web site for years, remember seeing that about 3 years ago. However I do think that the saying "part time effort, full time income" is very deceptive.
I used to get all of my notary supplies from the NNA and have not purchased anything from
them since these add first showed up. They are attracting some very unprofessional persons
into this business and the borrowers are not oblivious to that, I have had them complain
many times about other notaries behavior and methods of doing business. Also, there is an
"under-cutting" war going on in my area.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 1/3/06 6:59pm
Msg #85819
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
That's what I mean, Patricia. Monster.com is not exactly the cream of the crop.
I knew they were turning out notarys...I guess it wasn't clear to me to what extremes they'd go. A wake-up call. It's one thing to recruit existing notaries to becoming SA's; it's another thing entirely to have full page spreads in Monster drawing out whomever is collecting unemployment to be SA's.
IMO the NNA and Notaryclasses.com and the like are simply competition for each other like Burger King and McDonalds.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 1/3/06 7:12pm
Msg #85821
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
Kids, I'll tell ya what...when I ran into that ad on Monster.com from NNA it made me realize that the NNA has zero, none, zip, no respect for a notary public commission to go solicit on a general job board.
Clearly they believe any chimp who can pay $200 is perfect for the job. I am sorry for those who disagree with me as I mean no negative inference toward anyone - I just come from a different way and I see things differently.
A person should (in my opinion) have some direction or bent toward this kind of work beforehand.
I know that might go against some of my friends' beginnings with the notary gig but my background has developed this value rin me regarding the NP commission and I understand that my ideas are not always right...I also believe many have come into the notary public position to become loan signers...and are very good at it and add a great deal to our profession.
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Reply by sragland on 1/3/06 7:42pm
Msg #85827
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
Ok, here is my suggestion for all those that say they will not be paying their dues in March....
print out that ad, attach it to your computer, fridge, calendar, checkbook or wherever it will remind you in March not to pay those dues if you are really serious about this.
Since I had not made up my mind yet about the NNA membership, that helped sway me. :o)
I'm doing ok without their membership.
One thing about this forum, it is never dull!
Sherri in AR
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Reply by Teddog_CO on 1/3/06 8:06pm
Msg #85830
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
I'm pretty Sure a lot Professional Notaries will not need a "reminder" when they get their renewal notice from NNA.
A lot of folks are going to be doing ok without them and save some money to boot. Spend that cash on marketing (that's marketing yourself, not NNA)
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Reply by Anonymous on 1/3/06 8:31pm
Msg #85834
Encounter with NNA's 30 second notary. A tad OT
Just have to share this one with you. We did a 2nd on the house to build a garage. The notary showed up late. Moving along to the signing about a screaming 29 pages took 2 hrs and 15 mins. What a joke! But I was not laughing. I got so disgusted I just took the papers gave him the ones that he should notarize and just started signing. The guy just Yak,Yak,Yak and he had no idea what he was talking about. Trust me it's not a pretty picture to watch someone try BullS*#* their way through a signing. Sadly any adult would of seen this very clearly. The topper was he left without us signing his notary log book.
In the middle of this Joke guess who calls, Nations Direct! to get the tracking number from this jerk (he didn't know where to find it on the shipping label!) Good God! Call at the borrowers home for the tracking number! How do I know it was Nations Direct, I asked who they were and what they were calling for, I get like that when I'm aggravated. If you can go to Hell for what you're thinking (I'm in big trouble) lol
So to the Professonal Notaries - Trust me when I say our jobs' are secure with the likes of this guy running around. But this is what you get for $50 bucks and Monster.com (NNA 30 second wonder!)
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Reply by JanetK_CA on 1/4/06 1:15am
Msg #85869
Or better yet....
Print out the ad and return it in the NNA's prepaid envelope (if they provide one) with a note referencing it as the reason for not renewing! ;>)
What bugged me most about the ad was the statement about them creating opportunities for notaries. Seems to me that they are bringing the profession down, not lifting it up!! I let my membership expire a long time ago.
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Reply by TitleGalCA on 1/3/06 10:42pm
Msg #85858
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is.... Agree, Brenda
I had the silly idea that as a professional association of notaries, they had our best interests at heart. I was sure there was some rabid, 30 year old VP who was pushing NNA to jump in on the quick cash marketing bandwagon, all the while there were lots of nice elderly ladies with grey buns and bifocals on their nose privately shaking their heads....all the while plotting the young whippersnapper's demise. These ladies were notaries with decades of experience of course, and I knew they would win out eventually...sort of like that classic movie "9 to 5".
My bubble has burst. I was not privy to three years of posts in regard to Monster...it was before my time here. Just seeing that ad made me sick. It's gross in it's commercialism.
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Reply by patricia on 1/3/06 10:48pm
Msg #85859
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
I agree with Brenda, I believe that this type of work is best for persons with some pervious background in real estate, loans or the legal profession, although many persons get along without that there are too many people going out on these appointments who have no clue
what they are doing, saying "I'm just the notary" does not cut it with most borrowers.
Sounds to me like waving a red-flag saying "I am the village idiot", we are walking people through big money contracts and should be perceived as professionals by borrowers and
also by SS , title companies and lenders, the "get rich quick" people are dragging us all downhill.
This is just my opinion.
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Reply by Jon on 1/3/06 8:56pm
Msg #85836
Re: I'm missing what the big deal is
I'm with you Cali. Monster.com has been brought up several times on this and other boards in regards to NNA advertising. Maybe if we tell them about Ebay the rest will jump ship also .
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Reply by PA_Notary_II on 1/4/06 9:37am
Msg #85910
Re: the big deal is...
Cali, you are in the state where they have created the Notary explosion. The overkill they have manufactured there, they are trying to recreate nationwide. Big bucks for them and reduced fees and business volume for us. I'm hoping the new membership they create will be offset by the number of cancellations by knowledgable, qualified Notaries and ultimately the NNA will shunned by all legitimate businesses, mortgage related or not.
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Reply by Mike_NJ on 1/3/06 9:27pm
Msg #85838
NNA is money hungry org. They remind me of the "work from home ads" They got our money years ago, never again..
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Reply by Keshawn_Ca on 1/3/06 10:29pm
Msg #85851
I went though NNA to take the SA seminar and I fell like I wasted my money. They didn't teach me anything. I pretty much had to do alot of studying on my own. I wish I would have been reading this board before I donated my money to them.
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Reply by patricia on 1/3/06 11:02pm
Msg #85864
other professional organizations such as vetinarians, podiatrist, opthamoligist , (all spelled wrong) protect their membership by making it very difficult to enter the profession. too bad the NNA cant use just a little of that common sense. When we were scarce the pay was great, now we are a dime a dozen, the goal of the NNA is to make this a part-time job
for many thousands of people rather that a great full time business for dedicated professional
persons.
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Reply by Roger_OH on 1/4/06 12:17am
Msg #85865
Why change a thing?
From a business standpoint NNA has the perfect situation in which they can manufacture their own members ad infinitum, with no competition. First charge for seminars and certifications, then for membership and the separate sections fees. It's a perfect money machine if you have no scruples about the sanctity of the office of Notary Public.
I'm surprised NNA hasn't yet come out with a 30-minute infomercial with someone like Cher
or some other has-been celebrity touting their mantra of big money, quick profits.
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Reply by patricia on 1/4/06 9:39am
Msg #85911
Re: Why change a thing?
I think that is already available in Southern California where they have radio ads starting out
"I married a notary" and "what is a notary?, a person who makes $100,000. per year"
This is not by the NNA but another one of the notary factories.
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Reply by DonR_NYC on 1/4/06 1:00am
Msg #85867
BUT I LIKE THE NNA (HA HA HA)
HEY, I like the NNA. They are the only organization that has made my business profitable. WHY? Because of all the jobs I get to clean up the mess one of their robotic morons created. Almost 50% of my business is cleaning up the mess or getting the last minute job because the wonder notary/signing agent failed to show up, or couldn't print the docs because they didn't have the proper software/printer, didn't understand the docs and only had the borrowers sign those docs that needed notarization, etc.
I just can't wait for the day some smart borrowers loses a rate or loan and sues, not only the SS who hired the robotic notary/signing agent, but the NNA too since they were the (and I use the term VERY loosely) educational entity that trained the robotic notary/signing agent.
And wait some smart independent loan originator whose income is based on the loan origination commission fee is going to get into the lawsuit action when they realize who is blowing their loans. AH YES; The times are a coming. Can’t wait.
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Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 1/4/06 5:33am
Msg #85874
For a Moment, Don...
...I thought I was caught in the Twilight Zone reading your post. You "like the NNA"? I was asking myself, "is this the same Don R I've come to know & love over the past few years?" Then I realized you had your tongue firmly planted in your cheek & your missive made sense. I couldn't agree more with your lawsuit premise. So much "stuff" has been thrown up against the wall over the past four years that it's just a matter of time before the lawyers begin feasting on the entrails of the carcasses. It's also simply a matter of time before the NNA receives their just rewards as a result of what they've sown. JMHO & I'm glad it's still yours too, Don!
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Reply by Anonymous on 1/4/06 9:20am
Msg #85908
NNA is suppose to be a non profit organization?
I wonder if it's like the United Way scandal where they were giving themselsves tremendous salaries and perks?? They're certainly turning out a lot of cookie cutter notaries and making buckets of money! I'm a member because I'm new (one year), but I've had to fight tooth a nail to get work and sharpen my skills. I've never gotten one call through them for work! The only reason I've renewed is because it seems to be a respected organization in the public view! Some signing services ask if I belong to any organizations so I guess for now it looks good on a resume! I sure would like to be a fly on the wall at some of their board meetings to find out what new money making scheme they're cooking up! Oh, incidently, something they don't tell their victims is that lenders, escrow companies and title companies won't touch you with a ten foot pole when you're starting out and haven't had that much experience in the industry. I belong to another notary organization which meets once a month and girls that got their commissions at the same time I did haven't found any work at all! We're right in the middle of NNA Country!! These notaries keep going to the same title, escrow and lenders and dropping of their cards and no one will use them. They say "just keep trying and eventually they'll use you"! This is so sad! Sorry for the rambling!!
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Reply by PAW_Fl on 1/4/06 11:22am
Msg #85942
Re: NNA is NOT a non profit organization! (But...)
There are actually two organizations involved. One is a FOR PROFIT and the other is their non-profit arm.
(At least this is what I have been told by a corporate super-sleuth.)
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Reply by CaliNotary on 1/4/06 11:41am
Msg #85957
Re: NNA is suppose to be a non profit organization?
"The only reason I've renewed is because it seems to be a respected organization in the public view! Some signing services ask if I belong to any organizations so I guess for now it looks good on a resume!"
And therein lies part of the problem. A lot of notaries will continue to renew their memberships, even if they're disgusted by the NNA's actions, because they figure it's worth it for the business it brings them.
Sometimes we need to take a stand on principle. There is still plenty of business out there, even without the help of the NNA. Personally, I couldn't imagine giving 5 cents to an organization that is doing it's damndest to try to put me out of business by flooding the market with incompetent competition.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 1/4/06 11:56am
Msg #85968
Re: For a Moment, Don...
I do hope they get their just desserts.
But how does that happen? What has to happen to cause a SIGNIFICANT problem for them?
Maybe the fabulous Enjoya will tick people off when they realize all they got was a really expensive journal which does little more than a Pocket PC and a cell phone with digital camera. People can sign my Pocket PC....I can take pix with a digital camera. Both can be downloaded into a permanent record and that's more than required in Texas.
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Reply by SanDiegoCA on 1/4/06 11:40am
Msg #85955
Re: The latest NNA insult, is it against MONSTER POLICY?
Go back and read that awful "ad" for "employees".
Company: National Notary Association
Location: US-PA-Harrisburg (no doubt there are many other location specific listings as well)
Salary/Wage: 50.00 - 125.00 USD /hour
Status: Full Time, Part Time, Temporary/Contract/Project
Job Category: Administrative and Support Services
NOW, read this from http://about.monster.com/terms/
Note: I have edited content here, but only to delete words not needed in making my point clear.
Some especially interesting parts are enclosed with { BRACKETS }
MONSTER Terms of Use
4. Specific Prohibited Uses.
The job posting and resume database features of Monster.com { may be used only for } lawful purposes by individuals seeking employment and career information and { employers seeking employees. }
The Company { specifically prohibits any other use } of Monster.com, and { all Users agree not to do any of the following }:
(d) use any Monster Site Resume Database for any purpose { other than as an employer seeking employees, including but not limited to using the information in the Resume Database to sell or promote any products or services };
(g) post on any Monster Site any franchise, pyramid scheme, "club membership", distributorship or sales representative agency arrangement or other business opportunity which requires an up front or periodic payment, ..............
OK group ....... IS NNA the EMPLOYER in this ad?
Or are they just advertising here to get "membership" money?
Remember, their ad SAYS:
"How you will make your money:
▪ Agencies contact you with a loan assignment.
▪ You receive the loan package via overnight mail.
▪ Meet with the borrowers to obtain and notarize their signatures. Usually, about an hour of your time.
▪ Return the loan package to the agency.
▪ Collect your fee. $50…$60…up to $125 per signing."
Could many of us contacting MONSTER about this make a difference about this obviously misleading ad?
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Reply by PAW_Fl on 1/4/06 12:01pm
Msg #85977
Read the MONSTER POLICY again ...
It doesn't limit the postings to 'employer/employee' relationships. It is for posting of "employment AND career information" as well as "employers seeking employees".
Now, if they were using the Resume Database feature that monster.com offers employers to seek agents, that would probably be in violation of the ToS. Of course, this is all completely up to monster.com how they wish to handle the information posted through their system.
(Mind you, this is not offering a defense for what the NNA does, only how they are doing it.)
Finally, though the ad is in our minds misleading, it doesn't make unsubstantiated offers. What they say is accurate, albeit incomplete. It's what they don't say that makes this something that's too good to be true.
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Reply by SanDiegoCA on 1/5/06 11:35am
Msg #86254
Re: Read the MONSTER POLICY again ...
Good point PAW, thanks for clarifying that for me.
Like the ad itself, what I read in the TOS was too good to be true after all ........
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