Posted by Brenda/CA on 1/30/06 10:51pm
Msg #92506

Update on Jurat at Notaryclasses.com

I sent an e-mail to notaryclasses.com inquiring about their Jurat form being compliant with California Law, the following is their response:

Hello Brenda,

Thanks so much for your question. It is through questions and feedback like yours that help us continually improve our services to our community members. We thought your letter merited enough concern to contact the Secretary of State for their opinion on the issue. We were informed that the presence of the Notary's name on a Jurat should never cause an issue as long as all of the required verbiage is also present.; however, they also suggested that we modify the form to exactly match the verbiage found in the California state Handbook, 2005 in order to maintain consistency with their publications. This suggestion made sense to us so we have uploaded a new Jurat from to our site.

I cannot tell you how grateful we are to notaries like you who care enough about the professional notary community that they will initiate communication about their questions or concerns to us. As notaries care enough to take time from their own busy schedules to notify companies like ours when they have concerns, we will all be the grateful beneficiaries.

A personal thanks, Brenda! Your letter made a difference.

Daniel C. Jones
Notaryclasses.com

I visited their website, and they did indeed correct the form. I had recommended this form to someone else after seeing the icon at notaryclasses.com, without ever looking at this form.

I would like to thank CaliNotary for pointing out in a thread yesterday that this form was different then what the state mandates.

Reply by Kelly M Robertson on 1/31/06 9:06am
Msg #92561

Thank You Brenda

This reply is typical of Dan Jones, First Class all the way, a gentleman, humble and sincere, caring and appreciative, and always, always looking for ways to "say it better", improve his services and the information he has on his site. This is one of the many reasons why all of us are proud to teach for NotaryClasses.

Brenda did the right thing, the professional thing by going directly to the source and asking the question. Thanks, Brenda, for emailing Dan and posting his reply.

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/31/06 2:06pm
Msg #92674

Re: Thank You Brenda

And even though you didn't thank me Kelly, you're welcome. I find it highly amusing that I inadvertently helped notaryclasses.com become better at what they do.

I would love to know why it took an email from Brenda to get that corrected. Surely over the past year you, Joan, Dan, and all of the other instructors and students at notaryclasses.com have viewed that Jurat hundreds or thousands of times. Why were none of you able to spot such an obvious error?

Reply by CaliNotary on 1/31/06 2:31pm
Msg #92687

And one more thing

Kelly, you're always prattling on about being professional on this board. Would you care to address the issue of professionalism as it relates to notaryclasses.com giving an incorrectly worded Jurat to it's studets? It's not like we're talking about some misspelling on the website, or some rarely used notary function like a subscribing witness. This is a Jurat, one of the most commonly used notary functions.

It's great that you and Dan are so polite and appreciative to Brenda, but that is not professionalism, that is politeness. Professionalism is doing your job properly, and you guys have just shown on incredibly UNPROFESSIONAL notaryclasses.com is. This mistake borders on ineptness.

Reply by Kelly M Robertson on 1/31/06 2:38pm
Msg #92689

I'll Speak Only for Myself Calinotary

To no surprise (and I recieved personal emails telling me your would post) , you want the attention now taken from Brenda and put on you and want to BLAME the instructors for Dan's oversight.

Your intent at your initial post was NOT to bring an error to Dan's attention, it was to say, LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I STILL am beating a dead horse with NotaryClasses and the way they advertise and and blah blah bla.

So Brenda/CA did the right thing and went right to the source (Dan), and she was replied to within hours and she posted his reply for all to see and I thanked her and not you so of course you just HAVE to say something (to no surprise to anyone).

I don't go thru Dan's website looking for errors. I have a husband, grown kids who never really move out, a little one to look after, housework, two businesses to run, classes to teach, drycleaning to pick up, errands, AP/AR, research, I write, help with homework, keep myself informed, etc. How Dan runs his business or his website or advertises is not of my concern or business. His lesson plan to teach the classes I teach are all I care about and they are nothing but First Class. As I've said a zillion times before, I am proud to teach for him AS AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR, just like everyone else on this board. I am not his employee or his QA person or his babysitter and did not notice because just like all the other smart people in this biz, I use a Jurat Stamp and don't use a loose Jurat certificate so I never noticed. It's not my job to notice but of course, you make it your job. How did you find the error? Why it's clear! Because you were looking for an error. Again, Thank you Brenda!

Reply by CaliNotary on 2/1/06 12:20am
Msg #92843

Re: I'll Speak Only for Myself Calinotary

Of course the intent of my original post wasn't to bring the error to Dan's attention. It was just another example of the shoddy information that comes out of notaryclasses.com and it's instructors. Which certainly includes you, as has been noted (by somebody else) in another thread tonight about your loan signing 101 website.

But sweetie, it is a little more than just a mere oversight, it was an improperly worded jurat. That's pretty darn major. Not that I would expect you to do anything but minimize the seriousness of the error.

Reply by Kelly M Robertson on 2/1/06 5:15am
Msg #92852

Hey, Thanks for the Press! Appreciate the Mention