Posted by Pamela on 7/21/06 11:56pm
Msg #134613

Harry/Board Monitor! NEEDING TO KNOW!

Harry/Board Monitor!

Why is it when someone new asks for help and they are referred to different websites for mentoring and teaching aids, the messages are deleted due to advertising?

Yet, when other threads are posted, asking where to find a good webdesign, business card or to have a photograph made 9and so forth), those messages are not deleted?

WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

Pamela

Reply by Brenda/CA on 7/22/06 12:09am
Msg #134614

Pamela,
You will have better success reaching Harry if you click on the "Contact Us" feature in blue font at the very bottom of the screen, and send him an e-mail.

Reply by BarbaraL_CA on 7/22/06 12:14am
Msg #134616

Read Rules & Guidelines.....

#2 under Advertising:
"Do not advertise competing websites, directly or indirectly, without prior approval. We spend thousands of dollars per month to advertise our service for your benefit. We would rather not be paying to advertise for the benefit of our competitors. ....."

I believe the key here is "competitors".

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 1:21am
Msg #134622

Re: Read Rules & Guidelines.....

Barbara,

It isn't a website which hasn't been mentioned before! It has the "guide" and all.

The only difference is that I added two additional names (and website of one teacher).
These mentors have the guidance that the "newbie"[see thread no. 134519], needs.

So, it surprised me when my replies were deleted!


Pam

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 1:14am
Msg #134620

Benda/Ca

Thank You Brenda,

With the many e-mails that Harry receives, I thought that this
may bring it to his attention a bit quicker!

Pam

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/22/06 12:13am
Msg #134615

Pam, not sure what posts you refer to but here are the rules about that kind of thing...

Do not advertise >>>your own products or services<<< without prior approval. Most advertisements are not relevant to most users and are therefore wasted space.


Do not advertise >>>>competing websites, directly or indirectly,<<<<< without prior approval. We spend thousands of dollars per month to advertise our service for your benefit. We would rather not be paying to advertise for the benefit of our competitors.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 1:30am
Msg #134624

Brenda Tx!

Hello Brenda!

Hope that all is well!

The thread in reference to is number 134519.

I posted the name of the persons (teachers/mentors) who could assist this "newbie" in the proper training. One of the websites mentioned has been posted several times before and it's "guide" referenced many tmes throughout Not-Rot.

The two other teachers mentioned also post on Notary Rotary. They too have a great deal of experience and valuable knowledge.

If Not-Rot has a mentorship program, I did not know. Other than than, I do not see
how the websites mentioned are "competitors".

Pam

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/22/06 1:46am
Msg #134626

Re: Brenda Tx!

Don't take it personally, it's probably just the beginning of the NR staff actually starting to enforce the rules. I have noticed more than these removed recently. I am going to be a very good girl. I hate a dang time out.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 2:02am
Msg #134632

Brenda Tx! II

Brenda,

I thought I WAS BEING GOOD! ("Smile"!

Wow! When you least expect it, someone comes along and DELETES your messages (that
old Kandid Camera saying, {more or less}.).


Pam

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 7/22/06 1:29am
Msg #134623

NEEDING TO KNOW! How desperate are we? If you have to ask, you may not understand the answer.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 1:43am
Msg #134625

LkArrowhd!

LkArrowhd,

Someone posted a thread (no. 134519) and needed help.

I listed the names of teachers/mentors who are capable of assisting this "newbie".
Two of the teachers are also members of Notary-Rotary.

Two websites were listed. One of the sites (and its "training guide" has been referenced to many times on this board, without the replies and/or threads being deleted.

So, it disturbs me that "all-of-a-sudden" it is considered to be "advertising", to mention these
very same training helps!

Pam

Reply by Ndwa on 7/22/06 1:48am
Msg #134627

Competitor code

Something like should escape the filter net Harry put in.

SenioR
Geez...and...and
One.Two.Three
Notary-C
Notary-D

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 1:56am
Msg #134629

Ndwa,

Good Evening/Morning!

Thanks for your reply! You made me laugh!

I thought that as notaries/signing agents it was okay to refer people to others in
the notary business, for assistance. Isn't that one of the functions of Not-Rot
to help?

So now I have to learn to "speak-in-code"?

lol,

Pam

Reply by Harry [NR] on 7/22/06 2:33am
Msg #134636

Believe it or not, we have been getting many complaints via e-mail about the various forms of advertising on this board. From a competitive standpoint, while I believe that much of the advertising is innocuous, it nonetheless upsets other people (usually with respect to fairness) AND, in some cases, is being used to indirectly funnel people off to other sites.

With that said, I'd like to go on record by stating that our position with respect to advertising is a personal struggle for me. I DO NOT want people to feel like it's absolute taboo to discuss other helpful resources NOR to feel that they will be punished or condemned for outside promotion of the same. However, if, through their actions, it is apparent they have some deep-rooted problem with Notary Rotary or designs on taking our business by participating in our business, we will act on it.

The most telling sign when it comes to identifying people like this is the obvious lack of all reference to Notary Rotary, despite participation in Notary Rotary. At the same time I am writing this message, I am composing another to a California notary instructor informing her of her loss of good-standing with Notary Rotary. Her actions have run contrary to our interests for quite awhile and, despite her participation in our site, her own web site and her public communications reference only our competitors. What other possible conclusion can we draw based on rabid hypocrisy?

Fortunately, such individuals are a rarity and we have only taken issue with about 6 of these types in our history. Most people, we have found, are balanced when it comes to promoting their business affiliates and are of decent moral character.

Going back to your question… At least one other user has pointed out the most important distinction when it comes to advertising: competition. Your posts were deleted primarily because a) We may be introducing a product to compete with the Signing Registry guide in the intermediate future, and b) The dynamics in California are changing and we are currently in the process of making friend or foe identifications. Beyond that, you will notice an inverse correlation between time and tolerance. Translated, we will probably be deleting more in the future because it is easier than trying to make the determination of intent.

We are, however, looking at a couple things to help compensate: 1) A market to allow third-party vendors or Notary Rotary Partners to sell their wares, and 2) Providing a better resource to more concisely address inquiries of the type you made in your post.

Harry
Notary Rotary

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 2:49am
Msg #134638

Harry!

Harry,

Thank You Very Much for responding! I met no harm to Notary Rotary. I
just wanted to share with this "newbie", who needed help, the availability
of mentors and/or teachers! I am still (somewhat) new myself (started in
the signing industry this year).

It's my understanding (or so I thought when the messages were written)
that Notary Rotary did not have a mentorship or training
program. If so, I would not have referenced the material as it would have been
rude to do so.

It took me by surprise deleting the messages; now I understand!

Again I Thank You,


Pamela

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/22/06 3:45am
Msg #134639

Seriously, what is the deal with all the exclamation points? n/m

Reply by John_NorCal on 7/22/06 8:38am
Msg #134664

I was wondering the same thing n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/22/06 10:16am
Msg #134671

Re: I was wondering the same thing - Pam's explanation

TitleGal Re: CaliNotary!
Posted by Pamela of CA on 7/5/06 2:45am
Msg #130807

Hello TitleGal.

Yes. I intentionally used exclamination points at the end of each sentence
(in my response to Calinotary's message).

According to the American Heritage Dictionary, an exclamation (in one definition)
is to be used as "An outcry of protest".

If a period was used, it would not have the same impact. In other words, to have
placed a period at the end of each sentence would have a monotone effect
(for which I was not trying to convey).

As you read this, you may have notice that I did not use any exclamatory sentences
(for which is grammatically incorrect).

Also, I beg to differ as to the "watering down" effect, as I wanted the tone to be
"fever-pitch"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Sorry! Just couldn't resist! "smile"]


Now, to change the subject matter, may I e-mail you (at a later date and off the board),
as I have a very important "title" question?

Take Care.

Pam

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 10:23am
Msg #134674

Brenda/Tx

Brenda,

What exclaminations are they talking about?

I used a few here and there. Do they expect all sentences to end in a period?

lol,

Pam

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/22/06 10:45am
Msg #134676

Re: Brenda/Tx Since you asked...

Pam,

**Do they expect all sentences to end in a period?** For the most part, yes, they do.

I think the response on this board to exclamation points used in your posts (apparently considered in excess) speaks for itself. Written words delivered with fevered pitching has become so common in our world that it's often filtered out as hype.

People apparently don't like it and therefore, they are responding to it negatively. It's for you to decide if you want a negative reception or a more useful one.

Opinions and personal style is not wrong. However, this would be like someone going to a southern Christian church and insisting on hijacking the sound system and playing CD's with secular music on them for altar call.

The person is not wrong, the music is not wrong, but the one person who wants the music will not be given a warm open welcome by the masses.

It's all in what you hope to achieve. You will better serve yourself by not trying to "make" people accept the exclamation points, IMHO...but, that's your business.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 11:12am
Msg #134681

Brenda/Tx,

Brenda,

There is so much going on in the world and on this board, that my use of
exlamination points should not be a major source of discussion (if at all).

For all the members of Notary Rotary, there have been only four negative responses
to my using exclamination points.

As in the "real world", as Ellen would say, "I dance to my own tune".
If for whatever reason, people dislike me, or my exclamination points,
that's their problem!

If they choose not to reply to my posts or to help me with an issue, it's
their choice.

lol,

Pam

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 7/22/06 11:34am
Msg #134685

Pam-4 neg responses-those are the only ones that chose to

speak up......

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 11:38am
Msg #134686

Re: Pam-4 neg responses-those are the only ones that chose to

Well,

I've decided to write a book on the "101 Ways to use Exclamination Points and the Notaries Who Hate Them"!

Here's a sample from chapter one: Hot! Cold! Yes! No! Stop! Go!

Wow! I can hear the $$$$ now!("wink"

Pam

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/22/06 1:39pm
Msg #134713

The bottom line

Between the ridiculous overuse of exclamation points, the overuse of LOL, the changing every subject line to Name!, you come across as a spaz. If that's the impression you wanna give, go for it, but understand that it's annoying for some of us to read.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/22/06 1:44pm
Msg #134716

Snort...snort, rotflmao "spaz"

You have no idea how bad I needed a good laugh.

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/22/06 1:46pm
Msg #134717

TitleGal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad I could help! lol, lol, lol, lol, lol!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/22/06 2:08pm
Msg #134722

Oh crap I'm gasping for oxygen.....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/m

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 2:29pm
Msg #134727

CALINOTARY,

CaliNotary,

I always find it interesting that often times, people resort to name calling,
when they are wrong (and folks like you, usually have "groupies"!

You may ridicule me, but this is what bullies do!

One thing is certain, I am no dummy and I am not a follower! TRUST ME on this!

By the way, I do use my real name. And Yes, I know very well who
you are and where you are located (within my service areas).
So please, at least be civil, as we may very well, have to do business together!
As you know, "it's a small world after all".

LOL,

Pamela

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 2:32pm
Msg #134728

CALINOTARY II

Also, the thread was addressed to HARRY.
Seems like everyone and their Aunt Betsy, jumped on board!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pamela

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/22/06 12:59pm
Msg #134704

Re: Brenda/Tx,

Pam,

I agree that this entire thread is unnecessary.

You asked me what they were talking about and I told you.

Please feel free to continue to dance to your own tune. I, too, dance to my own tune when I am dancing alone or with a like minded partner.

However, if I decide to take up line dancing I will not go left when the line goes right and expect everyone to like it. Expect is the operative word here.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 3:05pm
Msg #134733

Re: Brenda/Tx, Another Thought!

Brenda,

That's just it. I don't expect anything from anyone on this board,
except to be treated courteously.

It has been proven many times throughout history, that, "Like-minded" thinking
leads to separation! Separation leads to hostility and discrimination
(the "we" against the "you" mentality).

We all are individuals, working in a common field, but with very different cultures,
education and experiences.

I follow Notary Rotary (as well as other forums) to learn and to network with other
approachable and friendly people in the industry!


Pam

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/22/06 1:43pm
Msg #134715

Re: Brenda/Tx,

"For all the members of Notary Rotary, there have been only four negative responses
to my using exclamination points. "

*only* four? If I had 4 different people make the same negative comments about my writing style I'd have to assume there was some merit to it.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 2:43pm
Msg #134731

CALI NOTATY III

GOOD GRIEF!

MANY posts have been written about you and your
malevolent attitude, yet you haven't changed your writing style!
And you still maintain your influx of loyal followers, who will come
to your defense no matter what!

Truly Amazing!

Pamela





Pamela

Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 7/22/06 3:48pm
Msg #134737

I Like Your Style, Pamela!

You've stood your ground well against the "exclamation point" police! Your experience with this brings back fond memories of the times in the past when I've been criticized roundly for my "excessive" use of quotation marks. When another poster has nothing of substance in their replies to your remarks (except to resort to critiquing your writing style, spelling of words, name calling, use of profanities, etc, etc) you know you've driven your point home. It becomes abundantly clear their only desire is to attempt to intimidate you into silence & then nod approvingly to themselves at your exit from the board. Keep it up! You'll survive just fine on the NotRot board!

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 6:39pm
Msg #134749

Dennis!

Good Afternoon Dennis,

Glad to hear from you!

Some of these people think that just because a person is new to signing,
they must also be new to the world.

I welcome critique when used in a positive manner.
But when exclamination points and "lol" becomes the political issues-at-large,
then something is definitely wrong!

It is strange how these very same people, were complaining about those
who chose to post anonymously, yet they "adore" Calinotary.
"Calinotary" is still an anonymous name! Or is is the thought that,
just because the spelling is different makes this "anon" name okay?

Critical thinking skills is certainly lacking and it is so very sad!

I came to this board to learn and to network with professionals,
not to be part of a "groupie"!

Please feel free, to e-mail me anytime: [e-mail address]!

Have a Blessed Day!

Pam

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 6:44pm
Msg #134752

Dennis! II

I should have spelled exclamation this way!

Sorry!

Pam

Reply by Becca_FL on 7/22/06 4:57pm
Msg #134741

Pamela

I much prefer Cali’s writing style over your writing style. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 6:40pm
Msg #134750

Becca,

Well good for you!

So now where should I ship your cookies? ("smile"

lol,

Pam

Reply by MichiganAl on 7/22/06 5:13pm
Msg #134742

Make it five. n/m

Reply by MistarellaFL on 7/22/06 6:42pm
Msg #134751

May I suggest, Pamela, proper use of the "contact us" link?

Using the contact link, located at the bottom of the page, for contacting or clarifying information with Harry, or any of the moderators.
What a waste of board space this has been! (proper use of exclamation point, IMO)
It just seems that you are hanging out here looking to inflame.
There is a chain of command, here, may I suggest you use it, rather than start a playground fight?
And why is it that you think everything you write "deserves" an exclamation point as punctuation?
It is hard to read, and no one knows why most of what you write must be exclaimed.
A little manic in style IMO.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 11:26am
Msg #134683

Brenda/Tx!

For Clarification! ". . .dance to own tune", meaning that,
I am an independent thinker! ("smile"

Pam

Reply by Bruce_CA on 7/22/06 4:02am
Msg #134640

Re: Harry!

To me, from the beginning, I did not realize that this site was a "FOR PROFIT" site. I was under the impression that it was set up as a benifit to the community and assumed (I know... I should never assume be cuz it makes a A$$ out of me and U....) that it was a NON profit (I do a lot of work for the not for profits and am just exposed to them so much....)

Since most associations ARE non profit, and when you sign up, you have membership fees, this indicated to me that it was a nonprofit.

Since it IS a for profit, I feel you have all the rights in the world to filter out promotions and such for competitors. However, the way the the site does promote it self to be the "Premier web site for Professional Notaries", I feel that it should allow full communications.As professionals (I am still working to feel that I will reach this level) we should be able to mind our PS and Qs for a PROFESSIONAL association. I do feel that (with the premise and such to help) that this site appears to be more NON PROFIT then it is. This could be where some of the issues/confusion arise.

Anyways, I do enjoy all the help I do get here! I do feel that lately there have been some things that should be "monitored", maybe a warning first etc. There are some things that I would be doing differently, but, I don''t run the site! I do feel it DOES offer a very valueable service and want to say THANK YOU!!!

Bruce

Reply by MistarellaFL on 7/22/06 7:53am
Msg #134646

Go to NR's tab above, titled "Notary Public 101" for details

Don't forget the great training NR offers here!

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 7/22/06 11:17am
Msg #134682

Re: Harry! Missy Lulu, I mean Pamela.......enough already

and the da?? exclamations points are killing me, get a hold of yourself....I come here for pure entertainment........ NO CRYING IN BASEBALL, quoting Tom Hanks.....

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/22/06 8:02am
Msg #134651

(I have responding to all those exclamation points - makes me edgy just looking at them)

The difference is very clear if you keep up with the services Notary Rotary offers. Not only does NR offer notary locater services, notary supplies, assignment tracking, bonds and insurance, and educational resources, it also offers Notary certification in California.

At least one of the two you were directing business to by your post here, is in direct competition with NR.

Sort of an easy decision by the "Harry/Board Monitor!" to make.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 10:08am
Msg #134670

TitleGal!

Good Morning!

Yes, Notary Rotary does offer fine educational/notary supplies (and training to
receive/renew the notary commission). However, the "newbie" who poised the question, needs "live" one-on-one guidance. The persons named, offer various types of mentorship programs and teaching tools.

Because I am still new (somewhat) in the loan signing business and to this board, there are many subjects for which I am still learning. For instance, I did not know that one of the teachers mentioned was in competition with Not-Rot, as they also post on this board.

I was just trying to help someone who wrote that she was "scared"!

Hope your day is cool.

Pam

Reply by John_NorCal on 7/22/06 11:50am
Msg #134690

Re: Pamela (Exclamation points deleted!)

**However, the "newbie" who poised the question, needs "live" one-on-one guidance. The persons named, offer various types of mentorship programs and teaching tools.**

Very admirable for you to want to help "newbies" learn the profession. Maybe you might want to offer your services to them (no I'm not being facetious) in an offline venue.

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 12:37pm
Msg #134698

John! Re: Pamela (Exclamation points deleted!)

John, Good Morning!

If I was a long-time, experienced notary and signing agent, I would be a mentor!
I like to help people (was in the social work field for 17 years).

And believe it or not, I have received many e-mails from "newbies" asking my assistance.

However, I only began in the signing industry a few months ago. I know the basics, and
have done well in all of my assignments thus far. Yet, I do not have the expertise needed
to be training anyone! But I do know that there are professional mentors out there, who offer various levels of training (which is why I refered this "newbie" to their sites).

Pam

Reply by bestcal on 7/22/06 5:43pm
Msg #134744

Pamela!!!!!!

You are doing great! You are a leader and not following.Do not concern yourself with what some people are saying about your writing style.You go girl!!!!!!

Reply by Pamela on 7/22/06 6:50pm
Msg #134754

bestcal!

Good afternoon!

Thanks for the input! I started this post as a message to Harry.
Did not think that "exclamation points" and "lol" would be the
major ending topics!

Take Care and try to stay cool!


Pam