Posted by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 8:28am
Msg #131058

OT- Movie Review for An Inconvenient truth

Moanin, all. I went and saw An Inconvenient Truth on the 4th and I gotta say it was pretty good. I plan to read the book as well. It'll be a heavy Oscar contender in the documentary category for sure. Al Gore was great in it. He was very confident in his presentation of the information and facts. He used his personal life experiences as segways to different parts of the presentation. You truly can tell he cares about this issue and its what consumes and drives him and everything he has done in his political career. The science is very solid and easily verifiable. Middle and High School science classes used to teach about the geothermal greenhouse effect on Venus which has a similar atmosphere much like ours so its not hard to extrapolate that to our world. I encourage everyone to go check out this movie and learn a lot about the climate crisis.
One really good point that was made in this movie was that in the 80's there was a crisis with the Ozone Layer and laws were passed banning the use of the chemicals creating the chlorofluorocarbons or CFC's for short. This is a result of the 1987 Montreal Protocols where representative from 43 agreed to freeze CFC levels at 1986 levels and decreasing them and eventually phasing them out. A similar agreement was ratified in 1997 in Kyoto to help decrease the production of Carbon Dioxide with 163 nations signing on to it with only Australia and the United States as the only holding outs from ratification.
Is it possible to stop the climate crisis? Yes. However, we need elected officials that will listen not to corporate lobbyists, but to the scientists with ice core samples in hand watching the glaciers melting before their eyes.

***If someone wants to tell me I'm rambling a little on this, I will agree with you but its good information to have. Impress your friends!!!***

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 7/6/06 9:31am
Msg #131070

Re: OT- Jahari you asked if someone wants to tell you your

rambling.... YES YOU ARE RAMBLING but have a great day anyway...

Reply by Lee/AR on 7/6/06 9:38am
Msg #131073

Jahari (& Al Gore) are right & the situation is very real.

And serious. We won't be here, but our descendants will. What kind of world are we leaving for them?

Reply by John_NorCal on 7/6/06 9:43am
Msg #131075

Re: Jahari (& Al Gore) are right & the situation is very real.

This is indeed serious. All we need to do is to look at the devastating weather we have experienced, that should be a big clue. There are so many things that we need to do. As consumers we need to demand products that do not denigrate the environment. We need to keep on government officials to enact and enforce protective legislation. We need to be proactive.

Reply by MBCA on 7/6/06 10:41am
Msg #131094

I agree, but

It just can't be a US effort! China is now over taking us in the use of fossil fuel (if they haven't surpassed us already)! At least this country is starting to take steps to deal with it! Haven't seen the movie and I don't know if this is true of Al Gore, but I've seen politicians get on tv and tell us we need to conserve and be prudent when they themselves are driving large SUVs that use a ton of gas and flying around in private jets! The leaders of this country need to lead by example not "don't do as I do, do as I say", attitudes! I don't know what we're going to do about all the volcanos that seem to be going crazy. Heard that also contributes to "Global Warming"

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 10:49am
Msg #131096

Venus and Earth

Just had a thought. Has anyone ever wondered if Venus went through what Earth is going through now in its earlier days? Did it have polar regions at one point? Was there water on the surface? Is there any now? Is Venus what the Earth has to look forward to? Thoughts?

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/6/06 11:01am
Msg #131100

OT - Venus and Earth

This truly is a friendly response, Jahari, because I like you and think well of you, however, this sounds like fear tactics to me. Good thinking info, but not going to change political beliefs and that's what this is really about.

Christian evangelists often beat on the head of the guilt-ridden with scary stories about the end of the world. I get emails which try to line up Bible prophecy with current events. All I can say is "If Jesus is so great, and the sinful world is so rotten, why aren't you ready to get this over with and go see Him. I am. Don't scare *me* with the briar patch, Brer Rabbit."

Switching back to my thoughts on this post...I understand that the world has environmental problems, but the fear tactics do not motivate me to think your way, Jahari.

Thought and passionate belief put into action without agendas...seeds in deeds without a secret message...these are the things which change the way I think...and, I actually do observe people and I actually do think. JMO

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 12:25pm
Msg #131131

Re: OT - Venus and Earth

No really this isnt a fear tactic thing at all Brenda. I just had a thought about the two planets seeing as how their atmosphere's are similar. This isnt about politics. I've read a few of the posts in this thread and its automatically assumed that because Al Gore did a movie about global warming, it's a political thing. If Catherine Zeta-Jones, Tom Cruise or George Clooney did it, they'd be written off as Hollywood kooks as many regular people tend to do feeling they should have no opinion, keep quiet and that they should entertain and live the Hollywood life. I think this is a mistake to say that just because someone is who they are its automatically assumed there is a motive behind it other than the obvious.
I've never gotten the sense that this is just a political shot for Al Gore. He's been involved in this issue for years and will continue to do so regardless of the politics behind it. The man loves the planet and the environment. Find me one person that hates nature and the environment. I think he genuinely wants to effect change on this issue and wants humanity as a whole to get behind this because this issue involves us all. Not once in the movie did he take a shot at the Bush Administration which he easliy could have done. He's taken both sides of the isle to task on their inaction and at the ends tells people if you cannot effect change by writing to your congressmen, to run for congress and effect change. Whats wrong with wanting to build a better world and telling someone that they can do it as well? As to the science end of it, someone posted about differing opinions in the sceintific community. This is a great misconception is that peers in the scientific community all stand behind the evidence that global warming exists and that this is happening at an alarming rate. There was a report from the National Institue of Sciences that released a report saying its very real. However the issue gets confused when it comes to the media as those that believe in the science, side with the scientists and those that dont, side with the skeptics and critics. There's a lot of confusion out there.

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/6/06 12:32pm
Msg #131132

Re: OT - Venus and Earth

**There's a lot of confusion out there.**

Yes. I am afraid I am part of it.

Reply by Marlene/USNA on 7/6/06 1:28pm
Msg #131140

Re: OT - Yes, Gore did get a couple of licks in. . .

I've seen the movie twice. Remember when he spoke of the teacher he had who scolded the boy who asked if the continent of South America had ever fit into the continent of Africa?

"The student became a n'er-do-well and addicted to drugs, and the teacher became science advisor for the current administration."

I'm not confused anymore after seeing the movie. And when I'm due for a new car, I'm buying a Toyota like I wanted to do this last time when I bought a Chevy thinking I was "buying American."

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 2:04pm
Msg #131155

Re: OT - Yes, Gore did get a couple of licks in. . .

I do remember that and I wouldnt really consider that a "lick". thats just a fact that the guy works for the current administration. Now, he made a joke out of it, but its a fact which he followed up by saying that the teacher's opinion was formed on old science from that time.

Reply by Marlene/USNA on 7/6/06 2:46pm
Msg #131181

Re: OT - Yes, Gore did get a couple of licks in. . .

You can lick 'em with facts as easily as with fiction.

Reply by Jon on 7/7/06 12:09am
Msg #131376

Re: Venus and Earth

I'm just glad the "Ice Age" that was coming in the 70's never came. Back then, the world was getting colder and the we were expecting the polar ice caps to cover Canada and the northern part of America. It's amazing how a few years can result in totally opposite theories. I'm now waiting for the theory that the ice caps will move to the equator and form an "Ice Belt" around the earth and Antarctica will be a tropical paradise. Maybe I should buy some land down south????

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 7/6/06 11:00am
Msg #131098

Two taboo topics

Politics and religion.

Firstly, there are many scientists that disagree with the idea of global warming (if this is what the movie is about). They don't disagree because they feel like it, they disagree because they have studies that disagree with global warming. Am I going to site any, No. Why? Because it isn't a hot button issue to me. We each choose our areas of concern and I haven't chosen it. But Al Gore has and that is why it's political.

Secondly, the bible speaks of how there will be many storms and earthquakes in the end times. Am I saying this to start a "you friggin bible thumpers shoving it down my throat thread", NO. What I am saying is it is a possibility. Global warming isn't the only scientific area that scientists disagree with scientificly that could also have a biblical support and explaination. Am I going to go in to others, No. This thread is about Al Gore's movie.

There are those who wouldn't listen to Al Gore if he was talking about ice cream flavors, there are those who won't listen to the alternate science, there are those who wouldn't listen to Jesus is He was standing right in front of them. The point is people close their minds to what they don't want to hear. But there is always more than one side to every story, many times there's 3 or 4 sides, regardless of which one is right and which one is wrong.

Reply by Life Saving Services - Doug on 7/6/06 11:07am
Msg #131101

Re: Two taboo topics

Yes it would be nice to here from the other side of this issue. Whenever a qualified and well respected scientist states facts opposite to these views he is shut up with sound bites. Yes our planet is a serious issue and if we can all place our agenda's behind us then together we can find a real solution. In the world today it seems we take sides and then stake out our territory. I do not see people working togther regardless of there individual agenda anymore.

Just two cents here.

Reply by Becca_FL on 7/6/06 11:25am
Msg #131103

Re: Two taboo topics SarahBeth, wonderfully stated. n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/6/06 11:34am
Msg #131109

Re: Two taboo topics SarahBeth, wonderfully stated.

Yes, SB, you said it better than I. Thank you!

Reply by HisHughness on 7/6/06 12:45pm
Msg #131133

Re: Two taboo topics

SaraBeth intones:

>>Firstly, there are many scientists that disagree with the idea of global warming<<

SaraBeth, ignorance is often excusable. There is no excuse for ignorance driven by ideology -- especially when such ignorance will impact billions of people.

"Many scientists" definitely do NOT disagree that global warming is a legitimate concern. There is a general consensus among knowledgable scientists that global warming is here, and it is reshaping the face of our planet. There is a small and rapidly diminishing cadre of people with valid scientific credentials who dispute the impact that human activities have on the process. Next year, that contingent of holdouts will be even smaller, and 10 years from now those same holdouts, standing in salt water up to their knees outside Kansas City, will be desperately trying to make up excuses for their grandchildren to explain why they let their ideology override their science.

I won't even attempt to address the question of someone who would let the Book of Revelations determine their stance on an issue such as global warming.

Reply by Dennis D Broadbooks on 7/6/06 4:59pm
Msg #131251

What's Amazing, Hugh...

...is to see what you hold up to be the "truth". "Small and rapidly diminishing cadre of people with valid scientific credentials who dispute the impact human activities have on the process"? "Standing in salt water up to their knees outside Kansas City"? To borrow a phrase from your far left lexicon, "I want to know what you've been smokin'"! Every fiber of your being exudes ideology, Hugh! It's the driving force behind so many of your posts on the board & makes it transparently easy to see where you receive your talking points.

I'll still hold on to the Truth as I know it to be & one that will stand the test of time...not the liberal platitudes you espouse in your tomes. What's sad is if you've represented correctly your past exposure to Biblical teaching, you'll truly be without excuse when the time comes to enter eternity.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/6/06 5:09pm
Msg #131252

Re: What's Amazing, Hugh...

Dennis commisserates with an unrepentant wastrel:

>>you'll truly be without excuse when the time comes to enter eternity.<<

And that is indeed a frightening prospect, Dennis. I can grasp how painful the enormity of eternity might be for me, because I watched the telecast of the Republican National Convention.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 7/6/06 6:30pm
Msg #131289

Re: Two taboo topics

Hugh you must have looked over most of my post. The point is being so set on your ideas that you will blast anyone who disagrees no matter what they site as evidence be it scientific or spiritual/biblical. Leave you ideals at the door. I said there are scientists that according to research say that global warming is not the issue that other scientists are making it. I said scientists disagree. Oh and yes I do believe in the book of Revelations but I could use scientific research to back what I say.

Reply by shebear on 7/6/06 11:46am
Msg #131116

I would rather listen to you than listen to Al Gore about anything. But my opinions aside. I do agree that the world can be better off by people taking better care of our planet. But America is only one country in a vast GLOBAL community. WE are not the only ones with responsibility here.

Our politicians need to deal with our problems first, then see about affecting other nations if necessary. Maybe they will teach us something about ways to help us. Who knows!

I think that the shift of the Earths axis has something to do with the climate change as well. Was this discussed in the movie?

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 12:09pm
Msg #131127

The tilt of the earth's axis was discussed int he movie. He pointed out that a majority of the earth's landmass is in its Northern Hemisphere. The Kyoto treaty was a step in the right direction and nearly every country has ratified it except the US and Australia. Al Gore pointed out that China has improved fuel efficiency standards on vehicles as have most european car makers, yet the US still lags behind in the teens and twenties MPG fuel standards. I truly think you should take a chance (cuz I couldn't do it justice here) and go check it out. Regardless of how you feel about Al Gore, you'll really walk away feeling like you learned something. When you're done watching the movie, google some of the items mentioned in the movie. Cities in the US are taking the lead and leaving the federal government behind by adopting and initiating the protocols laid out in Kyoto. The Bush Administration's stance on Kyoto is at best lame in that it will harm the economy but with ratifying Kyoto, it will in fact boost the economy because new technologies will emerge that will be used to reduce Carbon Dioxide levels. Alternative fuels will be developed, alternative energies and the delivery systems will have to be created. All job creators. Go see the movie, then if you like, email or call me and we'll talk about it. I plan to go see it again so that I can absorb the info more.

Reply by shebear on 7/6/06 12:58pm
Msg #131135

Did he explain about volcanos? THey spew out more toxic stuff than automobiles could ever put in the air.

Sorry, I don't think the movie is worth spending any money on. That is my opinion. I don't care for the man. Again, that is just me. No need for any replies on my opinion. Thank you very much.

I beleive that I know about the earth, my kids fill me in from school. They teach environmental awarness.

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 2:22pm
Msg #131164

Volcanoes have been around and have erupted for years, long before the industrial revolution. To say "Well volcanoes spew more toxic stuff than cars do so its not a big deal." is ignorant and short sighted. How many volcanoes have erupted in the last 40 years? They arent as big a factor as you might think. Consider what explodes into the air during an eruption: heat, ash, soot, lava, and falling rock. All of which are affected by gravity (except for heat) and winds eventually settling. Carbon Dioxide is lighter than ash, soot, lava, and falling rock, but heavier than most other gases. I would consider a college level physical science class or talking to an instructor of one of those classes with credentials because K-12 school science classes arent as great as they used to be.

Reply by shebear on 7/7/06 10:43pm
Msg #131636

I am sorry but human kind is not totally responsible for the state of the globe. Maybe Al Gore is. He seems to know too much. Maybe he did something he shouldn't have and feels guilty about it and is trying to make up for it. Eh! (I jest)

I suggest you study up on your volcano facts and stop worrying about the environment so much. If you do your part and I do mine, I would say it is a big step in the right direction.

Oh, the schools in our area have a scoreing system that uses under, meet, or exceed. Our schools have been Exceeding all requirements for every grade. And my children (individually) scored in the exceeded level for each subject. It is a shame that the teachers do not get paid more. So, I know of what I speak.

Have a great life on this planet.

Reply by Merry_CA on 7/6/06 1:05pm
Msg #131136

I have not seen the movie yet... but do intend to. I will not see it because I like or dislike Al Gore (what an ignorant reason to do or not do something). I do not come to this board and only give credence to the advice/knowledge dispensed by those whose political/religious stands I agree with. The thinking and information gathering processes used by so many folks these days is almost scarier than global warming. Please, everyone, take the time to soak up the knowledge of someone that you diagree with. Do some research of your own into what they are saying. Please cut back on your talk-radio listening time.

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/6/06 1:21pm
Msg #131139

OT- Movie Review for An Inconvenient truth - thanks Merry

**Please, everyone, take the time to soak up the knowledge of someone that you diagree with. **

Merry, you nailed it. Thank goodness the way my parents taught me to think is not the way I chose to think. Yet, I notice that my own mother and father still think exactly like their own parents did! I dared to hear something different and my world is a lot more enlightened as a result.

We have nothing to fear by being objective and looking at the facts ourselves except learning something we did not want to know.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/6/06 2:11pm
Msg #131160

OT topics shouldn't include religion OR politics

It's a nice thing to be able to post OT topics, but I think anyone that has simple common courtesy and social skills knows that in a group of people, topics to avoid are religion and politics. I've watched many a get-together unravel over a mild discussion that turned into heated arguments when that discussion had either of the two.

Think of yourself as being at a party with a diverse group of people. Would you introduce such a topic unless you enjoyed being confrontive and watching people get angry? I think not.

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 2:27pm
Msg #131168

Re: OT topics shouldn't include religion OR politics

TG, this was never a political topic or thread. There's not even any anger here. It was a movie review which became a solid discussion thread about something that effects us all. It became political because some just hate Al Gore that much for some reason and wont stick to the topic which is the movie An Inconvenient Truth.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/6/06 2:49pm
Msg #131183

Re: OT topics shouldn't include religion OR politics

If I went to see a movie, that I KNEW George Bush had something to do with...whether producing it or narrating it, I wouldn't post about it because it IS political. C'mon Jahari. With all the new movies out there that you want to post about...there wasn't a comedy available? Action/Adventure? Drama? You wrote about the political one.

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 3:10pm
Msg #131189

Re: OT topics shouldn't include religion OR politics

Say what you want TG, but it wasnt and I didnt. That just happened to be the movie I saw and wanted to get the word out on. If George W. Bush did have a movie to come out, I'd check it out but somehow his personal version of "A Million Little Pieces" doesnt interest me. The destruction of the Curtis Mathis family and the downfall of Harken energy maybe a TV movie of the week but not good cinema. Now, a movie about his dad in WWII, that might make for an interesting flick. Political figures in movies do not automatically equal political movie. If that were true, then In The Line Of Fire would have been a political movie as would have been Finding Humor In The Muslim World as both had former Sen. Fred Thompson in them. I could see Girls Gone Wild featuring the Bush Twins.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/6/06 3:15pm
Msg #131194

LOL

***I could see Girls Gone Wild featuring the Bush Twins.***

See? All anyone has to do is bump your 'lil teacup and you go all angry political. It's just not appropriate here, just like in social situations.

Reply by MichiganAl on 7/6/06 3:29pm
Msg #131201

We're no fools. This was a another political thread.

Gee, it just HAPPENS to be by Al Gore, who just HAPPENS to share the same political views that you've gone on about ad nauseum, and just HAPPENS to be a topic that was heavy featured in his election campaign. Come on Jahari, we've all seen how valuable you can be to this board. This continued political crap (whether overtly or covertly) just cheapens that. This is a complete waste of space and the kind of OT crap that I thought NotRot wanted eliminated.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 7/6/06 3:39pm
Msg #131209

Re: We're no fools. Thanks Big Al...... n/m

Reply by christiSocal on 7/6/06 4:22pm
Msg #131234

Yeah-- what Al and Sarabeth said---- n/m

Reply by TitleGalCA on 7/6/06 5:47pm
Msg #131264

Agree Al, well said.

Jahari, go join Hillary's campaign committee. You'll get other venues than Notary Rotary to spout your blue bile.

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 6:58pm
Msg #131303

I've said it once and I wil say it one more time...

This thread was a movie review. If none of you can read a movie review even if the movie featured a political figure (whether you care for him or not) that takes up a cause in his civilian life that concerns all of us and goes far beyond political rhetoric and not make it bitterly partisan and political, then I truly feel sorry for you. I reviewed a movie by Al Gore. Global Warming is his cause. Take it or leave it but the climate crisis is a problem that WILL affect generations to come and world leaders have a part to play in this or any crisis that involves the global envrionment. And when I say world leaders, I mean George W. Bush as well. Be it action or inaction he is in the White House now and he plays a part in the resolution of the climate crisis along with others. If it were Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or Colin Powell in office holidng back on Kyoto, I'd give them hell on it too because it would be their issue to deal with. If you cant handle that simple fact, then I am sorry. I failed in that I can't encourage you to think outside your ideology.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 7/6/06 7:01pm
Msg #131304

Everyone seems agitated about something or another lately

I'm taking my toys and going home

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 7:05pm
Msg #131308

Re: Everyone seems agitated about something or another lately

LOL!!!!!!!

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/6/06 8:24pm
Msg #131329

Re: I've said it once and I wil say it one more time...

"Take it or leave it but the climate crisis is a problem that WILL affect generations to come and world leaders have a part to play in this or any crisis that involves the global envrionment. And when I say world leaders, I mean George W. Bush as well. Be it action or inaction he is in the White House now and he plays a part in the resolution of the climate crisis along with others. If it were Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or Colin Powell in office holidng back on Kyoto, I'd give them hell on it too because it would be their issue to deal with."

Gee, that doesn't sound much like a movie review to me, it sounds like political blathering.

Reply by Jahari Davis on 7/6/06 8:49pm
Msg #131340

Re: I've said it once and I wil say it one more time...

What you call political blathering is a statement of fact and how I would handle the reality in the alternative. Don't cherry pick or hop and skip Cali. Read the first message and you'll find the review.

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/7/06 12:23am
Msg #131379

You keep believing that sweetie n/m

Reply by Jon on 7/7/06 12:30am
Msg #131381

Re: I've said it once and I wil say it one more time...

If I were so inclined and if this was the place to do it, I could thoroughly refute and cite many studies that disprove with the whole global warming idiocy(sp?). Theories like this come and go and will continue based on whatever the political climate happens to be at the time. This whole thread is nothing more than another attempt by you to further your personal political leanings. Unfortunately, even scientists view much of what they observe through political glasses and as such come to conclusions that benefit one ideology or another.

I will say that I'm ever grateful for Al Gore, if he hadn't invented the internet, we couldn't do what we are doing now!!

BTW, I'm an independent.