Posted by Shane_OH on 6/26/06 9:13am
Msg #128443

Columbus, OH Meeting Notes...

Pretty simple notes:

We had a couple of very knowledgeable notaries that spoke about marketing efforts, and one very respected notary here on the boards brought an instance of mortgage fraud to share with the troops. We'll see if we can't talk him into bringing it again next month for those that missed this month.

I'll fill everyone in on where I"ve been hiding.... I've gone into full blown marketing and rebuilding mode after AMC closed their doors. They represented about a 6 figure income for myself over the last 3 years... so had to solidify my other contacts, and generate a lot more business. A lot of that was helping to get some of those lost LO's a job elsewhere, and even some Loan origination on my part to supplement a little income on the side. But I've turned the corner, and it looks to be back to business as normal

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 9:48am
Msg #128465

Re: Columbus, OH Meeting Notes...Good for you, Shane!

This is what we all have to do when the rug is pulled from underneath us.

Thank YOU for the marketing ideas you have helped me with over the past few months.

I am working on trying to pull something together with Texas notary meetings, but goodness, Tx is so big!

Reply by RunninDocs on 6/26/06 6:16pm
Msg #128675

anyone see a pattern????

seems that Brenda always shoots Shane a "approval" and "inflated" public good-job whenever he posts.

those sock-puppets might have been created by the person who was actually complaining about them...sounds like a good way to get attection, sympathy, and whatever else her goal was. This project seems to be Shane and making his actions look like he has any smarts. ha-

someone said once.......people, watch out for the wolves in sheeps clothing.....advice most fitting.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 6:22pm
Msg #128676

Re: anyone see a pattern???? Hi RunninDocs!!!

**seems that Brenda always shoots Shane a "approval" and "inflated" public good-job
whenever he posts.**


I'll allude to the words of CaliNotary,

"Now, now girls, both of you are pretty!"

Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/26/06 6:22pm
Msg #128677

Yes!

those wolves are amazingly dangerous in a notary forum. I'm double bolting my front door tonight.

I'm so glad you pointed this out. Brenda and Shane are one in the same. I see the resemblance now - glad you're watching our backs RunninDocs - you're my hero.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 6:23pm
Msg #128678

Re: Yes! TG - RunninDocs has a partner...a sockpuppet?

You can see them both on the same page right now.

But they ARE both very pretty!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/26/06 6:25pm
Msg #128679

Oh, oh, pick me!! (raising my hand, jumping up and down...)

Does the SP begin with a....T???

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 6:26pm
Msg #128680

Re: Oh, oh, pick me!! (raising my hand, jumping up and down...)

Only with linear view.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/26/06 6:28pm
Msg #128681

Yaaaaaay...did I win something? n/m

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 6/26/06 6:30pm
Msg #128682

Re: Yaaaaaay...did I win something?

Yes, a chocolate ice cream cone.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 6:32pm
Msg #128684

Re: Yaaaaaay...did I win something? Gal, you do love Texas

don't you. Welcome home.

Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/26/06 6:45pm
Msg #128688

Funny you say chocolate...

Our subdivision sales reps just returned from the Pacific Coast Builder Conference last week in San Francisco.

One brought me a whole array of Ghiradelli chocolate...the dark is my favorite! I swear it makes me feel good - I'm a true chocolate addict.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/26/06 6:34pm
Msg #128685

Re: Yes! Actually, Shane does have a look in similarity to

my family. OMG...am I really Shane, TG?

Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/26/06 6:38pm
Msg #128686

Re: Yes! Actually, Shane does have a look in similarity to

No, my dear. You are far too busy with your work, your writing, a second job, Foxy, refinishing furniture, being a best friend, fund raising, Mom, future Mother-in-Law....need I go on?

Shane is a man, he only has one project.

Reply by Shane_OH on 6/26/06 8:24pm
Msg #128714

TCMN, Please settle down....

First off: a disclaimer: I don't even know for sure if you are Tyler or not

But, I've spoken with a few members of this forum, personally. I've met with a couple members of this forum in Ohio. HELL, I hold MEETINGS with people from this forum. I'm quite certain, I am who I say I am.

You, on the otherhand; blah blah blah....RunninDocs? More like RunninMouth. Thank you for contributing and adding to the pool of knowledge in the Notary Gene Pool. Genetic Researchers will be splicing your gene's for all future NSA's, solely based on the amount of credible, respectable, and helpful knowledge that has passed from your posts.

But Tyler.... at this point in time, please grow up.

This has been a public service message, brought to you by Shane R. Teach, a living, breathing, individual located in the State of Ohio.

Reply by TCMN on 6/27/06 8:27am
Msg #128845

Re: SHANE -

Shane,
If you can't get your information right...don't post.


Anyone who can click on your names knows that you and Brenda are two different people. I think I have been pretty nice considering the bullshit you started between you and me awhile back. I won't participate.

You received my email...now correct your statement.

Tyler

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/27/06 10:50am
Msg #128879

TY - You are trying to strong arm me via email for what?

I have copies of yours and my email, as well.

Sorry Shane, you'll probably be pizzed at me but this is enough of this garbage. So, I am going to put out a little history. I am sick of this constant attacking from Ty - today it was via email, again. At least she did not sign running docs.

Earlier in the year, Ty, Shane and I begin seeking a way to find a way to organize a membership situation. One other notary has been included but I do not want to drag her through the mud--she can comment if she wants to but likely does not know about this undercurrent.

It was our purpose to create a situation that would benefit notaries to do what my network does but on a bigger scale to get assignments through lenders, to get deeper office supply discounts for notaries, health insurance and we would do it via networking on the regional and state's level first. But we needed a plan. And, we'd need something worthwhile to partner with heavy hitters we hoped to persuade such as NR and some of the better notary networks.

My very clear position was that this had to be a non-profit/not for profit situation. I do not know for sure, but it seemed that was in opposition to Ty's position. Shane was the decision maker and I think it is clear which side he came down on.

I was NOT interested in a retail outlet program that would benefit the leadership except by exposure and networking. Shane understood that and agreed in our conversations. I don't know what Ty said to Shane on the phone but I got the idea she thought I was stupid for that from correspondence/posts on the private forum where we discussed it.

Shane did the major legwork and talked with major office supply companies who said they could issue a discount card to notaries. He also got prices on doing a video / maybe a television commercial directly to lenders to work with professional notaries. Our next step (which Ty was not privy to as she had been removed from the loop) was to go to notaries such as Harry, Dennis B., et al who had insurance dealings to ask them to advise us about the fairest and best solution to get group health insurance for notaries.

Well...things began to fall apart. From what I gathered, Ty was unhappy with the simple discount membership "card" solution from office supply chains and was adamant that somehow the programmers she knew could create this. Why not just a simple card? Well, because Ty would not profit maybe? Maybe the discounts could go 100% to the notaries?

This was my understanding of the situation. After RunningDocs showed up I played down my part in this because Ty got so incredibly angry at me for bringing her nasty response to Sarahbeth to Shane's attention. Another soap opera evolved. It squashed our enthusiasm considerably so Ty won that round. I even offered to step out of it to get her to settle down, but that was not enough.

Between my own life happening and Shane's situation with AQ, nothing has been discussed between us at all for over two months. It's a slow progress, but not impossible. We wanted to have our plans established before saying what we had in mind and hitting up the people who could partner with us to get the word out by having a marketing plan and cookie cutter way to do it state to state.

My newsletter would have been the announcing vehicle in addition to our profiles on NotRot. Announcements of substantial means would have to be approved by NR.

It fell apart on me and Shane because of this anger in Ty and being excluded due to her rabid attack on the board of SB's mothering abilities. We felt like she was one who would try to USE whatever she could to strong arm people and we were apparently correct. Well, the idea is out there now.

Ty, you need to calm down and stop trying to threaten me and Shane as if we have done something wrong. Whether you are RunninDocs or not, your email to me this morning is enough.

Ty was also looking at this effort, as best I could tell, from a lucrative status for Ty, not as a cooperative effort. She wanted to add me to her mentoring program and I did not like that because I choose who I do and do not want to mentor and I don't plan to mentor underneath her for a profit to her.

I was also very uncomfortable because Ty did not tell me she was not a he when I assumed that. She thought it was funny that no one knew this about her. That's when I personally decided she was a bit deceptive. I tried to talk to her about leadership and she went through the roof.

Okay...with all that in mind, read whatever RunninDocs who may or may not be Ty, or Ty comes up with with a grain of salt. All you can truly believe has been said is what is in the posts right here. I don't know if this is true or not but on the phone Ty told me that she runs a small signing service. That was another problem between her and me personally. I network with notaries so that they can refer business outside of the middleman. I have never been unclear about that. I have never taken one dime for brokering a notary's services.

I do not like being threatened with information taken out of context however and I will not stand for it. I am getting paid nothing for working on these ideas and neither is Shane. So...that's the ballgame. Hit me with your best shot, Ty.

Reply by EastTxNotary on 6/27/06 11:54am
Msg #128896

Re: TY - You are trying to strong arm me via email for what?

Brenda Lee! Don't let the "little ones" get under your skin...ignore 'em. They don't deserve ANY of your energy.

I AM a proud member of the Texas Notary Network and I can attest to the fact that Brenda has asked only that we contribute to the network by marketing and referring to each other, nothing more. Our network stays in close contact with each other constantly striving to improve our skills and our business. I don't know Shane, but I DO know Brenda and I know that she works tirelessly for the benefit of our group. I can't imagine that she would do any less for a national network.

Reply by tfarmer on 6/27/06 12:33pm
Msg #128915

Re: TY - You are trying to strong arm me via email for what?

OK, FOLKS...
Brenda, has tried and tried to make group efforts to find ways to for notaries to extend their ways of increasing their incomes, to find ways for us ALL to save money on OUR supplies.
NOT ONCE has BRENDA asked for financial assitance for all the hard work and hours she has put into all that she does. BRENDA, shares her information with everyone who is interested.
BRENDA, does not strong arm anyone into anything. She throws Ideas out in hopes that there are others who may possibly be interested in her ideas and might want to share in the experience of building new interprises. BRENDA, is not looking to be the big boss of anything she shares with US notaries She is a fellow notary trying to help out other fellow notaries.
The way I see it from the posts I have read is " you cant make everyone happy"

I personally on many a time have expressed my gratitude to BRENDA, she is an asset to the notary profession and to other notaries who value her views.
Brenda, is the last person I would ever think of as one who is going to strong arm anyone.
NO TWO peoples views are alike, as well as how to conduct business.
IF there are notaries who are out there that do not believe in brenda's or anyone elses views that is ok. last time I checked this was STILL the USA and we DO have choices as to all that we do.
SO, with that said. I stand behind brenda's views and AGAIN thank her for all her hard work and sharing with myself and others.
The TEXAS NSA NETWORK for example is BRENDA'S brainchild. She has never asked for any type for fee to help or maintain the network. She diligently works hard at keeping all new and old ideas flowing as well as we all try to include input and assistance where needed.
I find that brenda being attacked here or thru email as well as in person very unbecoming and not deserved in anyway shape or form.
BRENDA is a very intellegent, warm and caring person. I stand behind her whole heartedly.
JUST REMEMBER, no warranties or views that are expressed by any one person may not be agreed upon one or all. we all have our own lives to deal with. if people would place as much energey into their own lives as they do others the world would be a more productive place.
Please dont bother to pounce or be little me fo my views, I am not looking for approval from anyone, I am just stating my OWN point of view.
HAVE a PROFITABLE WEEK.

Reply by TCMN on 6/28/06 4:39am
Msg #129178

BRENDA - constant attack???? have you gone mad?



First off, I don't know what your definition of "constant" is but I had not sent an email to you since this ego trip Shane took and again made all the decisions and I didn't want to be involved with how he was going about things.

For example...what person goes to a state agency to talk to them about getting regular testing and those tests being passed as a requirement to being a signing agent without tests and the process available for those people to review and look at approving that to present for laws to be changed? And to have them say to him, "well, come back when you have something to show us and see how it works." , that to me is a first impression lost.
He should worry about a organization with members and working before you try to change something you haven't even prepared for.

So when my friend Lisa tells me that I should read the board and that Shane is cocking-off at the mouth, I decided to respond respectively OFF the board because it was between YOU and Shane and I since you thought it correct to ASSume.
When I got no response from Shane I posted where he reads, YOU I had not. But I agree, this is bullshit and I had not made one post to anything YOU or Shane had posted, responded, spoke on.

Take a step back and think about your "loose" cannon and how you made it a mission to make Korey's life hell and get him off the board and then your apologizing and welcoming him in again. I did nothing to you, we disagreed on some things and I never once went on the board when you and Shane both were very negative in remarks about CharlesCA. I never once posted about what my thougts were about how Shane was going about this union thing of his. That I thought that even looking into a commercial was a joke at this point...what was he going to say? Come join my club that doesn't exist? Come join something that had no mission statement, no governing rules or processes, no group of notaries to collectively make decisions instead of just ONE person doing it???? Sounds like the cart was before the horse to me and a good example of why I didn't want to be involved...there was no COLLECTIVE "working" what-so-ever.

Second...get your facts straight.

1. I was for the non-profit as you were. From day one. Shane wanted nonprofit, got the emails if anyone would like to see those. You are very wrong in your statement about that.
If you felt stupid, then maybe Shane wasn't being upfront with you. I agreed that a fee had to be paid, remember...people had stated that they had their $25 check ready and just needed to be told where to send it???? Shane wanted to start at $50-$100 off the bat, then go lower once more people joined.

2. I had no problem with Shane heading it up, but it was supposed to be a group of notaries working TOGETHER collectively FOR the notaries.
This was not happening because Shane was doing what he wanted and then shared that with us after decisions were made.
This is not how I thought the notaries on this board felt with the posts they made and whatnot. This way of doing it has no accountablility. Shane had no one he needed to answer to if he was not working in a beneficial way (and thinking about commercials or radio ads at that time...was a waste when there wasn't anything to put in them). Accountability is what a GROUP would do when voting on what should be done based on the rules and procedures set in place, etc.

3. Shane did the major legwork???? Are you kidding me? I think you know full well from our talks that I had said that from the first conversations on this and when CharlesCA was happy about helping out, that I told you I had keep notes of the people interested and emails for the "group" that would start this ( I never once included myself but offered the information to Shane and he invited ME to be involved because he knew full well everything I had tried to get research on since we talked about it.)
I find it very funny that I had talked with some execs at OfficeMax and Staples reps and had the contacts for just the thing you are bestowing credit to Shane for doing "major legwork"? ha, again, are you kidding me? I had put together the contacts and requirements of major manufacturing companies of paper for discounts and with that "legwork" found that for the best discount for the notaries it was a better advantage for the organization to have the ownership of the system that would make that work best and not give the major players the control. So I asked a friend to work on a system that would meet all the requirements those "major players" said as minimums and then the organizations collective group could "tweek" it and make it customized to better fit the organizations needs. This was at my cost since I was giving my friend money since I thought that only fair. And all I asked was one thing...I had NO problem giving that "legwork", for the benefit of the organization, but just asked that my friend get some compensation for their work and time if the organization wanted to use it, tweek it, etc.. THAT'S IT folks...not a red cent for ME. I was willing to have that be just some of my contribution to this.

As for the insurance coverage...I had asked some insurance reps and the way Shane was looking at it was backwards...he talked about a gourp policy. Well you can't have a group policy for everyone...they are each their own. BUT you can get a group discount and other things. I did not look into that further since that is when you nominated Shane for the position and I thought I hadn't made commitments with any one person that he could run with that.

4. Lucrative? The time I have spent on this I never asked to be paid for. I had friends asking me why I would put so much energy into it when no one else was (at the time) and it was to give back to the industry and make things better.
I had a friend once,,,,you know her Brenda,,,and I think that was a part of this whole beginning as well (or so I'm told) but I know how hard she tried to make thing work for her being a single mother and I tried to help but there were reasons that I was not comfortable with in regard to requirements to her friendship and wouldn't participate and she got angry and that was too bad. So that is a major reason I wanted to help and do what I could....listening to the people who were struggling and appreciating that I didn't have most of those problems and I could help them maybe.

5. The mentoring...Brenda you really need to think back because I had said that I had envisioned you being the person to head up that area in the organization because you have a way with people because if done right you wouldn't have the bad ones "using" or taking advantage of your help. I said that I thought about asking you to be a mentor with the network that I have put together and said that if anyone mentoring wanted to charge a fee, I don't see why that is out of line. It seems fair that the person you are mentoring is gaining something that you have to give and that would be the same thing that universities do when people go to college for degrees. You can't certify them or give them a degree but it is a value and deserving of something.
I do not have a mentoring program so I'm not sure where you got that from. I thought that the organization should have mentoring and maybe a training program that would help them on their OWN as well.

6. I did not tell you I was a girl? ASSume is making an ass out of you not me. Let me tell you, every single person expects a guy when they see Tyler. That is not my fault. With todays world and the names people use...you look stupid when you assume on that issue.
I never once claimed I was a guy. I didn't realize that mattered to talk to me? I pointed out to Shane when he called me "buddy" or whatever and it made me think he thought the same thing. I think I had gotten that email while I was on the phone to you and I replied and told him otherwise.
Deceptive? Hardly...had you talked with Sarahbeth you would've known otherwise since I had talked with her on the phone I think about ADHD.
You are again having issues of your own, don't make them mine.

7. I DO NOT run a small signing service. Anyone who would like to talk with Sherry at SLB Signing Service, can ask her and her father John, if I do. I had asked them how she started hers since I had some of the lenders and title companies that work with me ask if I would and cover other states and have all their work run through me. I have signing agents in the network that have asked me if they could just have everything funnel through me since they are sick of having to fight for the companies to pay them and I have had only one company not pay me and it was for a single deed that another notary screwed up and not a company I have ever worked for again and for $60 so I wrote it off and didn't waste anymore time on it.

NO, I have a network that I work with as Brenda does. That is a bold face lie Brenda and I am disappointed in what I thought of you and your faith in your religion since that would be something that my Paster would say requires asking forgiveness for. YOU are attempting to discredit me and I will not back down. I wrote the email to you privately to say that you were incorrect and should correct your statement. If I said it too firmly, then I find it funny that you are able to stay in this business if your feelings are bothered that much by that email.
You have made it public and are wanting to fight since your last words are "hit me with your best shot Ty"
I will not fight, if anyone wants the truth, I have given individuals that have been privy to those instances and they can ask them. If they want more proof, they can ask me and I can give them others names and the emails likewise.
I won't play your game, I told that to Shane as well. I'm still standing by that. I will though give the facts.
_____________________________



For anyone who cares the following has been and always was the way I thought things should go for the organization. If you want I could ask an individual that is pretty involved if you want to get someone elses word;


My thoughts were for an organization that would have a group of notaries that would collectively work together for the goals of the notaries around the country. Each and every state is different and it will take a group of individuals willing to volunteer time and energy. I don't agree completely with starting with one state at a time, as Shane has deemed, for this reason;

Say Alabama is doing their thing and it's working and all of a sudden Shane decides that all the states now need to do it like Ohio because he thinks HIS way is working best. What conflict do you think there will be and why should you have everyone working differently in the first place? Yes, I know every state is different, I completely understand that.
What I had said I thought would work is get the "board" group together to COLLECTIVELY make decisions on the basics first...the goals, mission statement, the rules and procedures, the roles of the individuals involved, etc., the "foundation" to grow from.

Then put together a list of the individuals from each state that you feel best to perform the roles and responsibilities. Then ask them if they will. If not have a couple back ups.

Then with those individuals in place, with the goals and the plan of action you've made you start slow and gain as you go. If ever state knows the same goals and plan of action, then they are on the same page and you won't have to struggle with someone who thinks their way is the best and maybe not have good things happen down the road in regard to conflict. This isnt about one persons way of doing things, it's about one organizations way that is mayny ways, brought together to work as ONE.
Of course with different states having different laws, things aren't cookie-cutter. The goals are the same for every state I think....being treated fair, being seen for the value you bring to the industry and having the ability to be heard and an organization that can help that voice be heard.
If you don't have the foundation done right, the structure will crumble. Maybe not tomorrow, but it will at some time...unless someone smart enough can see the error and maybe fix it before then. It's just much harder to do that when the opportunity to do it right is before us.

Then, when you have a WORKING organization(with a few months of a process that has the bumps worked out) you approach the areas that are most important and get those in place. Think of it as a city does developing their growth...they have a 5 year, 10 year, etc. plan and they work at it in stages. I don't know if anyone else can list the order of priority of things the organization should move towards accomplishing, but if so, I wonder how that is because that order was NEVER discussed. There was no plan of action....just random ideas that Shane decided he was interested is doing first.

Now when it's someone established, THEN and only then do you approach a person or company on the specifics of teaming up or asking for discounts, because you have ONE first impression to make and if you screw it up, you lose credibility.
Then as things progress and you can show companies, etc. that you have things done the right way and you have proven that, you will gradually gain more and more advantages for the notaries and the industry.


That's all.




But I will say one thing. As it sits, the organization is a Profit Corporation, in Shanes Ownership and that is not how it should be. Or not how I would invision a collabrative organization working FOR the notaries.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/28/06 7:20am
Msg #129181

Re: BRENDA - have you gone mad? Maybe I have.

**BRENDA - constant attack???? have you gone mad?**

Yes, I guess I have gone mad because I do not remember things this way at all.

Now, as to constant attacks, perhaps I should have used "intermittent attacks by RunningDocs."

And, I did not like your email to me yesterday morning which was much like your response to Shane. Ty, there's nothing I can do to make you leave me alone or to agree with me or to post what I feel is honest.

If you persist in this, I won't answer it further. My response will be to turn off the computer until your messages run off the board. If it does not go away, I'll turn it off again until it does.

Reply by TCMN on 6/28/06 9:41am
Msg #129214

you should have the same standards

Your lie about me being a signing agency....well I have the email from Shane that states he does exactly the same as I do. Are you going to continue to lie about that or would you like me to forward that email to you so you have the evidence and then your memory will be refreshed and you can then post the truth?

Reply by Shane_OH on 6/28/06 10:28am
Msg #129226

This is why Ty was removed from this organization

It was agreed upon to keep the # of individuals involved to a minimum, so we wouldn't have a thousand different ideas, and then only be able to accomplish 100 of those peoples goals. That would result with 900 people feeling jaded, and would have lead to failure. A small representative group can discuss, argue, and have disagreements, but if its done in private, and worked out, it doesn't affect the rest of the indivuals.

Ty has had a problem with this from the start. She was told to keep what we discussed between us until we had something with substance to give and show everyone, yet she took it upon herself to discuss things with numerous outside sources, people etc. As she has just again shown, she can't do that.

What Ty doesn't understand is that there will be disagreements, there will be arguments, but as long as you take actions that benefit the majority, you are doing the right thing. The disagreements should never be made public, unless they jeoparize the whole effort. All that does is instill fear, doubt, and makes any attempt at effort pointless.

But seeing as which your wrote a War and Peace novel incoherently, I'll try to break it down into responses that make sense out of your gibberish, and your mis-understanding due to your agenda, whatever that is.

1) When I talked to the "State Agency", I did had something to show them, they were AND are very interested in the process that I presented. As a matter of talk, there has been a few talks since then, with both parties initiating contact. As for the testing being a requirement for being a signing agent, this is clearly a not correct. You've twisted the facts as usual. What was discussed, was having a competancy test developed in part by us, and the Ohio Land Title Association, so that Title companies here in THIS state, would be able to tell competant, experienced, and training NSA's, from new, unexperienced, untrained NSA's, to help reduce errors made by signing agents. They would like to see more of a membership base, before they made a commitment to this organization. We weren't ready to go public despite your repeated efforts to have us go public nationwide at the same time unprepared, and without a working business model.

2) As stated in my original post, I have no proof that you are RunninDocs, I just made an educated guess. (Exhibit A: Notice no replies from RunninDocs on that thread, just you).

3) Negative about CharlesCA? Are you serious? I had contacted Charles about this venture, We both agreed that we didnt exactly see eye to eye on everything, but that moving forward was still in the best interest of the profession. He was asked early on to particpate, because of all of his posts. He said he'd be happy to help if asked, but said he would not be able to be a working "officer" due to other commitments etc. (I could find the exact wording but I'm paraphrasing)

4) I was for the Non-profit, and still am. Which is the direction we Are going. My concern up front was extent that non-profits are allowed to participate in political lobbying. Obviously we discussed Political Action Committees, which alleviated those concerns. This was done very early on, and everything was non-profit from that point. Stop twisting the facts, to suit you.

5). We were a small group, putting together a roadmap Ty. We bounced ideas off each other constant, some were shot down, some were endorsed. This is the manner it should be done, brainstorming. You were absent from weeks, to the extent that we couldn't even reach you, so lets not get carried away. The commercial, was easy. I have a mini studio. I am a former Radio announcer who to this day, still does radio voice overs, and production. Making a promotional radio commercial, professional quality, in advance, WITHOUT running ON AIR, is just thinking ahead. This whole process is in the building stages, one step at a time. We can't go full blown ahead, without failing, like you seem to want.

6) The office discounts were and are an easy implementation. There is no need for a "team of programmers" to put forward a system to handle it. All of the major distributors have those systems in place currently, no need to reinvent the wheel. You were trying to make an easy process harder.

7) Major Legwork? well, thats a objective term. All I did was help to initiate a forward movement on something that has been discussed at length for several years now. Talk doesn't accomplish anything. As far as I'm concerned, no major legwork has been done yet. At best we are still in the development stage to make sure we get it right. Doing it wrong, would in my opinion, set the movement back, or stop it altogether. So I don't care if it takes a year or 2 to get it right.... it needs to be done Correctly.

8) Your comments about the Group insurance is correct. Each person will get a discount on their insurance coverage, the greater the membership size, the greater the discount. Repeatedly we discussed a group discount, I started calling it our group insurance, assuming you had been following along.

9) Simply, noone involved made any money, nor is making any money. There was discussions about collecting money to cover expenses in the beginning, which we shot down, because the early expenses are minimal. Don't make yourself a martyr as we all contibuted time and money to this effort... and we continue to do so. I took a step back to handle my own finances, so that I can pay my bills, and feed my family, but I assure you it hasn't quelled my fire to succeed.

I do disagree with you on the building process. I have argued that starting small, and growing outward is the way to build this correctly. I've repeated said that since we have such a small group involved at this point, it makes sense to focus on where we are located. Since I live in ohio, I can help grow and get ohio working. Instead of making a mistake in all 50 states at the same time, get one state working, and expand outward. Not all states will work on exactly the same model, but each can then fine tune it to match their states needs.

As it stands, I've paid for the incorporation, I've paid for the webspace, domain names, and expenses here in Ohio. You are correct, the non-profit paperwork has not been filed, but has been drawn up by an attorney here in Ohio. Before we start looking for members, and having any sort of income, the non-profit paperwork will be filed. As stated, I didn't want to do anything to jeopardize our non-profit standing while in the building process. No need to shoot ourselves in the foot on our first step.

Reply by Shane_OH on 6/28/06 10:31am
Msg #129227

I will NOT respond further Ty. Move on... n/m

Reply by TCMN on 6/28/06 11:34am
Msg #129245

Shane, might you responded privately...


I would not have to show the truth most haven't had the displeasure of experiencing regarding you.


Here's a quote from an email Shane sent me and I'd be happy to forward it to anyone to prove it is a real email, not made up:

"Things are going decent, we added Dorothy Matsel to the mix, she has some good ideas coming out of Michigan. Some of her ideas, I'm not a fan of, but those can be ironed out...as I'm sure there will be differences to overcome.

I invited Charles into the mix, but he doesn't appear to want to be involved. I'm guessing a couple things. 1) either he doesn't think we are going to be capable of pulling this off, or 2) he's a talker. He's talked about this so long, and never made even an attempt at starting anything, I'm surprised about his lack of commitment. "



That statement isn't nice to say to a person behind someones back and then something completely different to the one your talking about.



Shane, I told no one about your union. I told a friend about a program that had specific needs and in fact never once mentioned notaries at all. Because it was given that this would be universal and able to use with different avenues to have the most benefit for the organization. Had you not wanted to control this so much you might have asked more of it instead of doing what you watned alone. But then again, you seem to not need any input, you did what you wanted, when you wanted.

Hard to get a hold of me? Are you joking? You had the number. To put it better...you might have said, you were not getting any other ideas since I was working and my attention to other commitments didn't allow me to post on your union forum. When I got the email titled "where is everyone?", I responded to you. I'm thinking you are coming up with the same affliction that Brenda has and not remembering the facts correctly. From day one I told you that I had not done anything or brought this up on the boards or talked more with Charles on it because I could not make the commitment that it deserved. I said that I was hoping that within a few months I would have those other things take care of and could give more time. (if you want I can help you by sending the email again to refresh your memory)

Brainstorming....dear Shane...I think that it is fully obvious to members reading this that you are not a team player. You took ideas discussed and did what you wanted based on things that we discussed. Nothing was finalized. There was never a plan of action layed out as to what was going to happen. (If anyone would like the email showing what and when Shane was doing, let me know, I'll forward it. ) You said go ahead and start my state.....well I hadn't since I didn't think it responsible to go with how I think things should be when this was supposed to be a group working together and putting together a plan to move forward on (besides the fact that I disagreed with what you were doing thus far). But nothing was decided or finalized. YOU decided to do what you wanted and did it. Did I agree, no, but that will happen. Hell it happens with my children...they disagree with me all the time. But in their case I am the parent and I have the role to make the decision. (if you ask them, they see it as a dictator) You are trying to appear as a team player but your actions have very much been in the role of dictator. I do not feel that to be of benefit to any notary or any organization.

I think if you had the ability to stand back and look at this (if you have the maturity to do so) you would see that I said it is beneficial to ask any notary that has certain resources (you with radio ads, etc) and talents in areas that the organization might need help with. That is a team culture and very beneficial to both ends. When people invest in something, they take better care of it. (I know that true when my children have to pay for something they want with their own money)
You have not shown to be a team player and I think that is not something to be associated with.

discounts....yes it's easy to ask for discounts. Had you taken the time to show an interst in what someone else had for input and asked, I would've shown you how this system would greater benefit the organization. I'm not reinventing something there....I was putting together something completely different and , from what I was told...better. The exec at OfficeMax that I had talked with said this was a greater opportunity coming from a smaller entity on a bigger scale, bigger than the largest organization they work with ever has tried to do. And he was very intersted. I had wanted the organization to have the creation and control so they had the better advantage and profitted the most...not the big corporations that all they care about is the money.
Is there something wrong with that way of thinking? A person who has no alterier motive but to help the organization in their success would think that way I guessing. You obviously don't think the same way. But then again, you do what you want and that is a major concern I have.


On Runningdocs...I cannot make anyone do anything....Maybe had you responded to that poster, they might have responded back....I was told by a friend of the posts you and Brenda made and I tried to respond privately via email but you thought it more adult I guess to make it public. (yes I was pretty direct because of the nasty way things happened before and I was not going to go there again, but I have the right t. - Threats were not made, I stated that if you did not have facts that I would have no problem posting them). You and Brenda did not want to correct your statements so it seems that one way to take away the attention from both of you was this.... you both decided to start the attack on the board. I have no problem making this public because I have not lied here and have the correspondence to prove so.

I responded to something that was addresses to me. Is that not what people do?

And again....I have not wanted to hash this out on the board but you and Brenda seem to think this is the proper place since neither of you have responded to the first email I sent trying to remedy this privately.



He said, she said...movie rights you've missed out on Shane but I have no problem giving anyone who asks...proof.

Good luck on you union. I hope someone out there starts the organization that was talked about on NotRot, since this is not the way I thought I understood the notaries wanted things to be. If I'm wrong, okay. But my intentions were and have always been to benefit the industry and all involved.