Posted by Harry [NR] on 6/29/06 11:39pm
Msg #129807
Intolerable Behavior - Part II
We continue to receive e-mails from Notary Talk participants, past and present, regarding the quality of posts on the board. The volume of e-mails is such that they cannot be ignored and the consistency of topics is such that they cannot be considered without merit. Here is a partial list:
1) That the board is being dominated by a small group of people,
2) That the off-topic posts are out-of-control (e.g. word association, birthdays, jokes, anecdotes, etc.), making important issues increasingly difficult to locate,
3) That abrasiveness and better-than-thou type crap is still common, and
4) That people continue to abuse Anonymous privileges.
At this time, we are asking everyone to recognize these issues and to moderate their own behavior to mitigate them. In the meantime, here are several things we are considering to address the level of complaints we are getting:
1) An "off-topic" message board,
2) Post quotas - that is, limiting the number of posts a user can make in a day to a given board,
3) Private messaging (to get a small amount of the trivial, person-to-person stuff off),
4) The elimination of all Anonymous capabilities, and
5) The introduction of moderated "Anonymous" posts. Under this scheme, an outside user could submit a question to the board review group, which would need to be "approved" before posting. In theory, that would add more diversity to the board and increase quality while maintaining anonymity.
If any of these approaches is of particular appeal or extreme distaste to you, please respond to this message to share your thoughts.
Thanks,
Harry
Notary Rotary, Inc.
| Reply by cyndi_ca on 6/29/06 11:46pm
Msg #129814
Love the idea of removing anon posters, and I think most would agree, a good percentage of them are trouble makers. I don't like the idea of "poster quotas". Private messaging, Great. I realize the amount of time you put into this board must be consuming and with the "stuff" that has been going on lately, not surprised to see this message. And if by some chance I am in the 2 %, my apologies to you.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/29/06 11:55pm
Msg #129818
I have many thoughts in regard to your post, thanks NR
If there are areas of specific language or topics that are taboo, I am not aware of them. I have always supported Notary Rotary as the cream of the crop in Notary Boards BECAUSE of the freedom of expression. If I am wrong, or lacking in understanding of specifics I will welcome Notary Rotary's direction, and will abide by it.
I like the fact that I can post OT. I try in whole to make my post specific to notary issues, and I think (as a whole) have been successful as such. I would hate to see "OT" regulated.
Harry, sometimes the crap here deserves "better than thou". It's a judgment thing. I will leave it to your discretion. Your take on it is what I will abide by. I'll suggest however that many anons and trouble makers sort of get...what they deserve.
"Domination" by a small group is also to your discretion. I suggest the anonymous posts that hijack the entire board are far more powerful than any post I might offer up. "Domination" and "popularity" isn't determined by any one individual. Frankly as an individual, I am grateful anybody listens to a darn thing I might say.
Harry...here's the deal. I enjoy and appreciate my membership here. I will abide by your rules...because if I dont' like it...I don't have to be here. It truly is all about you and what you want to create here. I am just a tiny part of that.
After all that...I am glad to be a part of this community. That's all.
| Reply by Jenny_CA on 6/30/06 12:02am
Msg #129823
It's nice to be able to post OT
So a separate OT area is a good idea IMO, instead of getting rid of it completely. I don't like limiting postings .
| Reply by MichiganAl on 6/29/06 11:58pm
Msg #129821
I don't have a problem with any of them...especially 4 and 5
I think the tone of the board is directly proportional to the amount of anon posts that are meant to stir up trouble or ask the kind of questions that can be easily found using the search feature (questions that frustrate those who see these same questions every day). No more anons means some people will think or search before asking a question, and they won't be so quick to start throwing insults and tantrums when they don't hear what they want.
I do enjoy a few jokes or lighthearted posts that give me a moment of distraction, but I agree they're getting to be too much. I could do without political talk, movie reviews, and word association.
| Reply by Lake/NWI on 6/30/06 12:03am
Msg #129825
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Yes!
Harry, it is SO ironic that the BIGGEST troublemakers and losers and RUDEST people on this Board tonite responded to your post. See THEIR replies to my innocent intelligent question starting at message 129735.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that TitleGalCA (whose HERO is CaliNotary); and Cyndi_CA and CaliNotary be BANNED from this Board because they make it (and YOU and all of CALIFORNIA) look SO BAD and LOWLIFE. Their comments were DISGRACEFUL and THAT TYPE OF NONSENSE should not be tolerated!
Thank you, kind sir.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 6/30/06 12:18am
Msg #129837
Re: Intolerable Behavior
Contrary to what Lake has to say about "the BIGGEST troublemakers", I appreciate the time and effort TitleGal, Cali, Cyndi as well as Brenda and the rest of your veteran's take to post here. I've always seemed to get the help I needed when I showed that I made an effort to resolve the question/issue on my own. Too many people feel that no matter what mistakes they make, there will be someone there to fix it for them.
I don't post much since I don't feel I know the answer to everything...I'm a realist. I come to this board and jump in when I feel I can contribute but primarily read the posts. I do pay particular attention to the posts of your veterans and those who reside in CA like me. You're veterans are the ones who provide me with the most guidance/assistance.
Have a nice evening.
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/30/06 12:21am
Msg #129842
Re: Intolerable Behavior
Kyle you give alot. Anyone here with time and contribution knows that. Being a realist makes you a specialist!
you have a nice evening too.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 6/30/06 12:25am
Msg #129848
Re: Intolerable Behavior
Thanks, TitleGal. My contribution level, though, is pale in comparisson compared to you veterans and I think Harry and the rest of us know who I am referring to.
You have a nice evening, TG.
| Reply by cyndi_ca on 6/30/06 12:37am
Msg #129856
Kyle, blushing I am.
Very true are your words with respect to TG, Brenda, Cali, and many others. I don't know if I would put myself in the same league, but thank you. Have a great night too.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 6/30/06 12:42am
Msg #129862
Re: Kyle, blushing I am.
You're welcome. You have a nice evening too.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 6/30/06 12:43am
Msg #129863
Re: Kyle, blushing I am.
Cyndi, what part of CA are you from?
| Reply by cyndi_ca on 6/30/06 12:45am
Msg #129865
Re: Kyle, blushing I am.
The OC my friend, you know, plastic county. Missed seeing you at our notary luncheon in March. Hopefully you can make the next one. Hoping for August or Sept.
| Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 6/30/06 12:47am
Msg #129868
Re: Kyle, blushing I am.
Cyndi, shoot me an email sometime. I have a few questions for you.
| Reply by cyndi_ca on 6/30/06 12:53am
Msg #129875
Check your mail. n/m
| Reply by MichiganAl on 6/30/06 12:21am
Msg #129841
Well, let's see. If we're going to have daily post quotas..
You exceeded your limit ten posts ago. And if rudeness should be banned, then I'm curious how you would define that. Would that include someone who uses words in their posts like: idiot, fool, illiterate, stupid, nimrod, bumpkin, dumb, lame, ignorant, loser, and more?
| Reply by TitleGalCA on 6/30/06 12:22am
Msg #129844
LOL Al. You are so right on. n/m
| Reply by Lake/NWI on 6/30/06 12:31am
Msg #129851
Re: To ALABAMI
I was not simply name calling, hon'. I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT the truth.
And remember who STARTED all of this......TitleGalCA.........so blame HER, not me. I came on with a legitimate serious question for INDIANA notaries. The South and West need not apply.
| Reply by Lake/NWI on 6/30/06 12:34am
Msg #129853
Re: Correction -- to MICHIGAN/Alabami????
Oh well, WHERE EVER you're from, it's NOT Indiana, so that's that.
| Reply by MichiganAl on 6/30/06 2:17am
Msg #129896
So let me get this straight. Your defense is....
"But mom, dad, she started it!" LOL!
| Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 6/30/06 12:04am
Msg #129826
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II---MY TWO CENTS
1) That the board is being dominated by a small group of people,
2) That the off-topic posts are out-of-control (e.g. word association, birthdays, jokes, anecdotes, etc.), making important issues increasingly difficult to locate,
3) That abrasiveness and better-than-thou type crap is still common, and
4) That people continue to abuse Anonymous privileges.
At this time, we are asking everyone to recognize these issues and to moderate their own behavior to mitigate them. In the meantime, here are several things we are considering to address the level of complaints we are getting:
1) An "off-topic" message board, NO, IT IS HARD ENOUGH FOR ME TO KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT BOARD, I'M CERTAINLY GUILTY OF OT, I'LL LIMIT MYSELF AND DO BETTER
2) Post quotas - that is, limiting the number of posts a user can make in a day to a given board, MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA WORTH A TRY
3) Private messaging (to get a small amount of the trivial, person-to-person stuff off), YES, I LIKE THIS IDEA
4) The elimination of all Anonymous capabilities, and I'M NOT BOTHERED BY ONE POSTING UNDER ANON BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BOTHER MANY AND STIR THE POT
5) The introduction of moderated "Anonymous" posts. Under this scheme, an outside user
could submit a question to the board review group, which would need to be "approved" before posting. In theory, that would add more diversity to the board and increase quality
while maintaining anonymity.THIS MIGHT JUST BE THE THING TO DO, BUT PERHAPS VERY TIME
CONSUMING ON YOUR END HARRY
| Reply by Lake/NWI on 6/30/06 12:08am
Msg #129829
Re: Hey HARRY!
Maybe the reason so many post ANONYMOUSLY is BECAUSE they don't want to be RIDICULED and HARRASSED and PROVOKED if they happen to ask a SINCERE question but then JERKS on the Boards answer them with put-downs and make fun of them thereby making them NEVER want to post again or i.d. themselves.
This behavior is mean and WRONG and the ones promoting it need to CEASE AND DESIST and GROW UP!
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU..............and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
| Reply by Anonymous on 6/30/06 12:21am
Msg #129840
Re: Hey HARRY!
I don't see ANONYMOUS people calling all the names at least not tonight, and this is the first time I have spent on this board. I'm appalled at the name calling and the disrespect shown. I felt like I was observing a bunch of third graders on the playground.
I have been SA for 5 years and couldn't believe the put downs just because they asked a question that showed a situation they had never encountered.
| Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 6/30/06 10:24am
Msg #129946
Nice post but
Harry in order for one to get a good feel for the boards it takes more than just one night being here. We all have good days and bad days.
The anon problems have been particularly bad this past week which is easy to see if you look back and check. Anon 68's post may be well intentioned but seriously one time on the boards will not give a good overlook of them.
1) That the board is being dominated by a small group of people,
2) That the off-topic posts are out-of-control (e.g. word association, birthdays, jokes, anecdotes, etc.), making important issues increasingly difficult to locate,
3) That abrasiveness and better-than-thou type crap is still common, and
4) That people continue to abuse Anonymous privileges.
1. I see alot of jealousy over the fact that there are some who have been here a good while, know their business, and have openly shared their knowledge. Many times I've seen a good answer that is truelly based in the reality of the business get completely ignored because the asker (is that a word) didn't like the answer. This profession is not a bed of roses and there's no reason to say it is because that would be a lie. That being said it's not a bad business to be in either. The truth about the business is the truth.
2. OT section would be great although I personally have no problems with it right where it is. Maybe a little less word association or good mornings. But we do need to have some lightheartedness.
3. Lately the ones complaining about the abrasiveness have more than contributed their share in the present and past and need to take a good look in the mirror at themselves. In the last few days we have seen a number of posters from the past who have had big time issues with credibility/rudeness/stalkeresqe/personal attacks return for another go at it and starting the brewhaha. It is my feeling that some of these have played the anon game during the past week also. I'm no techie so that is my impression. I'd love to see a techie look into this. Also I think it has put many regulars on the defensive to a point where it doesn't take much for us to get a little rude.
4.The anon stuff is just rediculously out of hand. I liked the fact that the ip showing would deter some of this. But after the last week I do believe that anon should be done away with except for the "moderated" anon posting for questions.
There are a few that I would love to see gone but certainly not TitleGal, Cali, or Becca. I'm only stating them as they were singled out by someone who has only been here a day or two and has no idea of the contributions that these three members have made to the boards. In fact the one who complained about them has done nothing but throw insults and ignored netiquet with the yelling. It is my feeling that this member has anoned quite a bit in the past. Why would they flip out so quickly involving members that didn't respond to their post in their replies. Also there are a few that have showed on and off board stalker type issues that I think warrant a good taking a look at.
The boards have been especially hard lately. Getting rid of the anon feature would be a good start in toning it down. Personally I would do that then give it a little time before changing anything else.
| Reply by Erin C. Wall Signature Services on 6/30/06 12:36am
Msg #129854
Sorry to bother you and wake you darling, let us not be ignorant to the bullies in this forum, nor shall we disregard their brown-nosing when it suits their particular needs. I, shall not hide behind anything, other than my skateboard , nor shall I apologize when they run and hide. Get a life ladies.....make fun of me all you want....I love life and have fun while you spend valuable moments trying to find fault with me. Worry about your profile, the more I am honest, the more calls I get. Sue me. I have more credibility around this town than you will ever know.
| Reply by MistarellaFL on 6/30/06 11:21am
Msg #129979
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II Baloney, Erin
I think you are Lake as well as anons of many different numbers.
People are complaining about YOU. I'm one of them.
Harry is wise, and he knows how to handle the situation.
I'm leaving it in his capable hands.
And, Harry et al, I am guilty of starting the Word Assns. routinely.
I tried to make most of them somewhat relevant to the field, but
since Harry mentioned it was disturbing to some, I will stop.
I hope Harry is able to get us an OT forum: this place, to me,
in alot of repects IS the breakroom for me.
Thanks, Harry, for all you do for each of us.
| Reply by Sher_AZ on 6/30/06 12:46am
Msg #129866
Agree with # 4.
| Reply by Anonymous on 6/30/06 1:13am
Msg #129885
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II Sher!
You should be one of the first to be kicked off! You are one of the reasons why some of us do not want to pay to advertise here!This site is a joke! You help make it a joke!
| Reply by Anonymous on 6/30/06 12:55am
Msg #129877
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II-Thank you
For finally stepping up to put a stop to the behaviour on this board. I agree with #1.If you can eliminate the type of behaviour that has been going on here,(name calling,swearing(calinotary)ganging up on others,I would not mind to start paying to advertise my services. I would not pay for anything as unprofessional as this site! I was under the impression that this site was a joke!But someone does actually own it!Amazing!
| Reply by Brenda/CA on 6/30/06 2:25am
Msg #129899
Re: Intolerable Behavior
I personally enjoy the off topics postings I beleive that people get to know each other in a more human way instead of just cyber (so to speak). One example is the donations for Sylvia's Lil Bit, which was pioneered by Brenda/Tx who has an incredibly big heart. I feel that if someone does not want to be engaged in a particular subject then just move on to something else. All of the off topics postings are labeled as o/t so that anyone not interested in anything other then business can simply bypass it.
I have been reading this board for well over a year, and while there has been drama at times, it has escalated to an everyday, almost every thread situation. At least 99.9% of this drama comes from the cowards that hide behind their anonymous handles. Some threads have so many anons it is as if Sybil and all of her 16 personalities are present at the same time. While some people are not comfortable posting with their given name I think they should have to pick a screen name/state.
The vetrans on this board have contributed their time, and knowledge to help people. I have learned a lot from reading all of the posts, and asking questions when I cannot find the information in a search. I think that a person should have to utilize the search function before being able to just post a question.
I would also like to thank Harry for running a top notch forum. Notary Rotary is the best in comparision to the other sites. I receive a large amount of my business from companies that found my listing in Notary Rotary. I will abide by whatever rules, policies or procedures Notary Rotary makes. Just thought I would give my opinion.
| Reply by Ndwa on 6/30/06 3:15am
Msg #129901
You're too nice, be ugly for a change!
| Reply by ReneeK_MI on 6/30/06 6:12am
Msg #129902
1) That the board is being dominated by a small group of people
**Everyone is free to type a response or post a topic. To complain of a “dominating group” w/in an internet environment is ridiculous. If anyone feels dominated in any way, they need to address the issue personally, inwardly, and not with you or outwardly.
2) That the off-topic posts are out-of-control (e.g. word association, birthdays, jokes, anecdotes, etc.), making important issues increasingly difficult to locate,
**While I personally might not find all of the arbitrary OT’s interesting – I do believe the ability to post OT provides the basis for a more personal connection w/in this community (and I see it as a community). It’s probable that that personal connection is the very thing that sets N/R apart from other notary boards. Each board appears to have an established ‘core’ community, and N/R is inarguably the most active and has what appears to be the largest core. My opinion is that isolating the OT posts could be a bullet into your toes. Asking for self-moderation every now & again might be more productive – as you are held in such high esteem, and your requests ARE heeded.
3) That abrasiveness and better-than-thou type crap is still common, and
**I just don’t understand how anyone could write you and complain when they are FREE to read, not read, respond, not respond, participate, not participate, dominate, or BE dominated! Aside from basic moderating of offensive language – I would be very surprised if all the drama negatively impacts the NR activity, and I don’t see a need for moderating beyond the language issue as is already being done.
4) That people continue to abuse Anonymous privileges.
**Harry – do you take Advil, or Tylenol? Tylenol doesn’t work as well for headaches, but is easier on your stomach. Anonymous privileges ARE annoying, and have the potential for serious social impact in certain venues. Is this really one of those? Maybe, maybe not. Glad it’s not my call. Anonymous posters giving misinformation or personal spins on critical issues can be scary – but in this venue? Again, it baffles me how anyone who’s made it to adulthood can’t or won’t take it for what it’s worth.
At this time, we are asking everyone to recognize these issues and to moderate their own behavior to mitigate them. In the meantime, here are several things we are considering to address the level of complaints we are getting:
1) An "off-topic" message board
** “OT” in the post subject line is all I think necessary to encourage. (and LOVE the automated N/M!!!)
2) Post quotas - that is, limiting the number of posts a user can make in a day to a given board
** I suspect myself to be among the ‘average’ N/R members – I read daily, seldom post, never emote or engage in the drama-fests but DO read a lot of it AND find it interesting (amazing, even) and enlightening. Sometimes, I wish some particular person would just shut up already, or grow up, or disclose their true nature or intentions but THAT is a part of my ‘real’ life as well! I certainly don’t hold you responsible for anything that is said here, any more than I would hold you responsible for the crap my neighbor said on the phone last night!
3) Private messaging (to get a small amount of the trivial, person-to-person stuff off),
** Hmmmmmm … maybe do a trial, not something I care for personally, but by and large I think a lot of people do like that.
4) The elimination of all Anonymous capabilities, and
** It would be easier on the brain just to eliminate the difficulty in keeping the postings to the posters. Since anyone can invent any character tag that they can dream up and STILL hold themselves anonymous, I personally would love to see the “Anonymous” tag gone.
5) The introduction of moderated "Anonymous" posts. Under this scheme, an outside user could submit a question to the board review group, which would need to be "approved" before posting. In theory, that would add more diversity to the board and increase quality while maintaining anonymity.
** I find this too Orwellian for an adult venue.
Thanks for inviting us to provide our opinions on these issues!
| Reply by Laura Upton on 6/30/06 7:11am
Msg #129908
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II Harry
Harry,
good morning.
I have been reading the board for the better part of a year. I have seen many many posters here, and see a few of our seasoned posters go away. Hugh- hardly see on the boards. PAW-, I hardly see on the board. BrendaTX is still here, and so is SylviaFL. there are a few others that i pay attention too, Calinotary (while a bit gruff, i tend to ignore it and read the meat of the message, which is the info i am looking for most times). I wont pretend to speak for them or know their reasons for going away; but i will say that their input on the board is missed by the less seasoned ME (myself), for being able to grow my business and get the input on questions i may have.
As for off topic posts, I admit i am guilty of going off at some things that Jahari said; and I will take responsibility for my actions. However, i will also add that Jahari and I have posted info back and forth since then and its been fine.
I do agree that the Anonymous privileges have been abused; and will also add that while i am at my fulltime job and if i get the chance to check the boards, i will not post unless i take the time to login as i do not want to be associated with the anonymous handle.
As for post quotas, hm. I dont agree with that, but i do see your point. That would definately be your call, and I would abide by your rules.
Another thing I would like to point out, I do believe that if you have a profile on this notary rotary board, (of which i took the offer of your business cards and I hand out THANK YOU!) I believe it should be a PROFESSIONAL Notary profile. I had seen where some people were busting on someone named Erin, and since she posted her Erin Wall Signature services link; i checked it to form my own opinion.
I was appalled that she would advertise herself as a Professional signing agent with her Title and then have SUCH an Unprofessional Profile. While i do realize we pay for our profiles, i still believe that there should be some sort of guidelines or rules that indicate it should be a Professional notary profile. I certainly was SHOCKED that someone would have a profile like that on the PROFESSIONAL board that we hand out business cards about and ask signing services/ tcs to check out if they need another notary in another state. JMHO.
Again, thank you for the benefits of your board. It has helped me grow my business in the past, and while recently its difficult to read and sort thru things; i will say that i have learned a tremendous amount of information on notary work while being able to access the board.
Thank you, Laura
| Reply by Anonymous on 6/30/06 7:57am
Msg #129914
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II Harry
I too was surprised by her profile, she apparently does not advertise to get work. I'm not sure what it is for, she seems to be advertising her family and skateboarding, but as long as she's paying for it and not me, I'm thrilled it just makes everyone else look great in comparison.
| Reply by Jason on 6/30/06 7:25am
Msg #129910
Yes, let's get rid of OT posts. n/m
| Reply by BrendaTx on 6/30/06 7:54am
Msg #129912
Harry, You asked so here's my feedback.
IMHO, the only thing that's been going wrong enough to change lately is Erin's upset. I'd remove her ability to post.
It's real simple. When you don't like what someone is saying to you on a board, respond and then ignore them. When you can't ignore the board garbage any longer, turn your computer off. That's what I do.
As you all know, I love NotaryRotary.com a great deal. I have met some of the best people here I know. And if you don't understand that, please do not bash me for feeling this way about cyber people who I talk to on the phone, chat and email with about my business or my life.
As I said in my latest diatribe in my newsletter "Though you did not know it, each of you is very important to me. You made life worth living again in so many ways while I buttoned on a happy face to fool my family. You brightened my days tremendously when I had nothing to live for once my chicks were gone, my husband dead and my world was black. God blessed me with you. ............... So many times people say things like "you give so much to notaries." I would be remiss if I did not take this opportunity to say, 'but the notaries have given so much to me.' And, I truly mean it. May God deeply and richly bless each and every person who reads this. That you are in my life is a miracle to me. I am so eternally grateful I found you. "
My character has improved because of this place and because I opened my ears to people like LkA and Korey and others who did not see things my way. I feel they are good friends now, also. The rest of my friends here fit with me like good leather shoes.
How you receive your world will determine how your world receives you.
That's my $.02.
| Reply by Jahari Davis on 6/30/06 9:27am
Msg #129928
Brenda, this is probably the best post in this thread. Why? Because you admit growth because of the freedom of expression on this board despite the differences of opinion. Those differences prompt you and others to consider things you'd never have considered before and for that, I think its worth a lot of the OT posts. Insults, slams, name calling, and dare I say it....dismissals to other countries even for disagreements should be a reflection of those that use them and left at that and the person on the receiving end should decide whether or not they rise above that taking the high road. I think that posters should check themselves before they post knowing whether or not it will start a thread fight. My opinion, my words, my 2 pennies.
| Reply by BrendaTx on 6/30/06 10:44am
Msg #129961
Re: Intolerable Behavior - Part II - Jahari
In spite of my nasty response in one of your threads (see my Msg #119813) you have been objective toward me in this post and I *do* appreciate that and believe you are interested in also improving your character and that's admirable. (Not saying you need to, just that people should recognize you have taken the high road with me.)
I have checked my *nasty* at the door because I find my written words most bitter to eat in the long run. I am human, I have screwed up, I'll admit it and I will not defend my poor behavior when it is there. Please, ya'll, don't make me do this too often. I'm beggin' here. It is most unpleasant! 
I have shot my mouth off and I have learned from it. However, I believe in the right of each poster to say what they feel as long as they do not abuse this forum simply for the purpose of tearing it apart.
There is a lot of that going on in these anon posts IMHO.
| Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 6/30/06 8:22am
Msg #129916
Harry,
The thread beginning with message #129735 is an example of a thread out-of-control and covers most of the problems you addressed. What started out as a question ended up with anything but an answer. Using this thread as an example, an off-topic message board would have removed some of the responses, as well as private messaging. Additionally, IMO, limiting the number of posts per day, or in any one thread, would eliminate the back and forth crap and abrasiveness or abusiveness in this case.
| Reply by MichiganAl on 6/30/06 9:25am
Msg #129927
One other thing regarding the small group of posters
The "small group of posters" that some may be complaining about are same group of posters that are answering many of the questions and providing most of the assistance. A saying with the words "baby" and "bathwater" come to mind.
I like Renee's thoughts on participation. Everyone has the freedom to contribute. Or not.
| Reply by MelissaM_FL on 6/30/06 10:00am
Msg #129934
My thoughts on the possible changes:
1) Off-topic message board - I don't have a problem with OT posts, so long as they are marked as such.
2) Post quotas - IMO, would muzzle the very people that we need to hear from, professional notaries and LSA's. If an issue required a great deal of back and forth, such as sometimes happens with computer help or discussion of various companies, then a person who IS remaining on topic might be muzzled needlessly.
3) Private messaging - I believe that most of us have our email addresses in our profiles, so this seems superfluous.
4) The elimination of all Anonymous capabilities - I give a resounding yes to this one. I would even go so far as to say that each user should only be capable of having two aliases on one account.
5) Moderated Anonymous posts - I like this approach for outside users.
| Reply by Korey Humphreys on 6/30/06 10:33am
Msg #129954
You should make all of our profiles accessible
I bet you this would make rude troublemakers think hard before they post. Try this for a month and see what happens. Definitely get rid of the Anon's.
| Reply by AngelinaAZ on 6/30/06 2:16pm
Msg #130060
Since you asked for opinions... here's mine.
1) OT message board.... I don't particularly like the idea but would conform to the rules.
2) Post Quotas.... I don't think it would help to accomplish the goals
3) Private Messaging.... I don't particularly like the idea but would conform to the rules.
4) The Elimination of all Anon Posting... great idea! I think this could solve a WHOLE BUNCH of problems.
5) Moderated Posts... I don't think the Anon posts are worth the time or trouble.
**** I don't think you will know what will help until you try it. Eliminating the Anon capability might be a great start! See what that does and go from there.
I saw on here that some suggested the automatic linking of profiles. I have very good personal reasons for not linking my profile... so I hope this would not happen. If it does happen, I hope we are warned so that we can decline from posting.
PS. You have a great board! I like the action here. Thanks for everything!
| Reply by christi ausherman on 6/30/06 3:20pm
Msg #130106
I like what Renee, Angelina, and Brenda said
But they said it much more eloquently than I could. Thats my 1 cents worth
| Reply by hcampersFL on 6/30/06 3:23pm
Msg #130107
I agree with them also.
I do feel that the anon post should be elminated. Or maybe if it is being abused then the poster should be eliminated...I like that better.
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| Reply by christiSocal on 6/30/06 3:31pm
Msg #130110
Re: I agree with them also.
Although I wouldn't mind a little flashing light (make that a BIG light) Saying you're not using your normal "handle" do you want this? Everytime I forget to look which one is on. I don't really care if my real name is shown, but I'm more known as christiSocal than my real name here. I know this is really my own fault, just would'nt mind a "Hey Stupid" pay attention!
| Reply by BarbaraL_CA on 6/30/06 4:06pm
Msg #130119
In response to your addressing complaints:
1. OT message board - maybe
2. I don't believe that limiting quota of posts is a solution.
3. Private Messaging - excellent idea (if people take advantage of it)
4. Elimination of all Anonymous capablites - YES, YES, and YES!
5. Maybe.
You have been more than patient with this latest character, and quite honestly I think she should be blackballed. The "professionalism" of the site is not as it once was, and if I were new and read all this childish behavior, I'd have to wonder just how professional the site really is.
There is great information on NotRot, there are great people, and many are truly professional. It is a shame that it is getting muddled by imature, childish, nothing-beter-to-do individuals.
| Reply by Thomas Palumberi on 1/5/07 10:52am
Msg #169393
All this talk about "off topic" chatter yet we still see it. Why not just remove the offending posts, warn then block them?
See Craigslist.
| Reply by Charm_AL on 1/5/07 10:56am
Msg #169394
offensive and advertising posts are continuously removed. The thread you refer to is 8 months old. Welcome, keep researching, you'll learn a lot!
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