Posted by Dave Bullock on 8/29/07 3:14pm
Msg #208415

sox

A number of judgemental folks. Not very kind. A couple recognized that I was lacking the proper approach to the search. They were nice to offer advice. Search gave me no items when I provided sign on the x.
My signings were between 9-06 and 12-06. Prior to that, I had done 29 signigns in the spring and summer and got paid.
This is last time I will defend the events. I may be less than smart, but I am not lazy.
Dave

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/29/07 3:29pm
Msg #208418

I think if you had put SOX in the search it would have yielded results as that is how we usually refer to the company.

Also if you go to the company in the Signing Central company listings you can click on it, and click on forum discussions and you can see all the posts regarding SOX.

Reply by Dennis_IN on 8/29/07 3:30pm
Msg #208419

Search for the message number is 208033.
As I stated before...A positive non-threatening email to start may achieve quicker results.

Unfortunately some on this forum have to much time on their hands (do they still perform loan closings?) and have nothing better to do than make rude/hateful comments for their own amusement. Plus they do not activate the link to their listing.

Also a warning for misspelling a word in a post. They will point it out with venomous zeal. Although I think spelling is important, some cannot resist to let you know that you left out a letter or transposed letters.
Otherwise this is a very informative site.
JMHO

Reply by firegirl on 8/29/07 7:55pm
Msg #208460

Hear, hear! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Reply by natogan on 8/29/07 3:31pm
Msg #208420

Dear Dave,
Are you trying to rehabilitate Sox or Fox, and reprehend people who did not get paid? I would not hold your breath!!! Did you go on the other forums? Judgemental???? I wish you will always get paid. You are the most lucky person. You may share your experience but please, no blames.

Reply by Todd/OH on 8/29/07 3:37pm
Msg #208423

My experience with SOX is to contact the lender and title company and whine. Whine regularly. They will put pressure on SOX and maybe take you off their list.

Reply by NoteWorthyOR on 8/29/07 4:25pm
Msg #208435

Last month I posted that it took less than a couple hours to get a positive result from calling the Lender. SOX called me and I got a check by the end of the week. (8 months after the signing. ) Another signing agent recently shared he's had great success raising the possibility that he would put a lein "sp?" on the property which neither the loan company or the signing company would relish. Something to consider

Reply by Les_CO on 8/29/07 4:31pm
Msg #208436

Lien on the property????
NOT a good idea!

Reply by Barb/MO on 8/29/07 5:14pm
Msg #208441

In most, if not all states, the lien statutes don't allow

for such a filing in the case of mortgage signing fees. Mechanic's/materialmen's liens are the remedy for those not paid for work for improvements made to the real estate. Filing a lien due to nonpayment of our SA fees is a good way to get into big trouble.

I would be interested to know in what state such action would be allowed, with a citation of the applicable statute.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/29/07 5:30pm
Msg #208443

Re: In most, if not all states, the lien statutes don't allow

Probably have to get a judgment and then file a judgment lien, if allowed by applicable state law - problem in all this is that, unless they sign off otherwise, we have no recourse against the borrowers - our claim is against the party who contracted us for the signing and agreed to pay us - as far as the borrowers are concerned all fees incurred have been paid off the HUD (and ours are hidden in there)..MHO (not a lawyer though I worked for them for 25 years and now watch them on TV)

Reply by Barb/MO on 8/29/07 5:51pm
Msg #208447

If we sued the SS or TC that gave us the assignment, and

then got a judgment against them, we could take the necessary steps to make that a judgment lien as to their property, but not as to the borrowers'. As you said, we have no recourse against the borrowers unless they specifically obligate themselves, which so very rarely is the case.

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/29/07 4:50pm
Msg #208439

I too have had many signings with SOX, yeah I have had to call them to get paid and other times they just arrive. I was warned time and time again about this company, when they call me they tell me that there is no one in the my area that will do closings for them, I said that if they paid in a timely manner then that would not be the case. I still take closings and they still pay me may not be on time but I get paid, I look at it this way it is money in my pocket, I have a list of companies that do not pay at all and yes I have been burned. So with that said I say hey if you want to do closings for this company then do so, it is your business. We all are learning lessons in this business, I think that with the market in the shape it is you may see alot of signing companies close and they may be one of them who knows.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/07 5:33pm
Msg #208444

"I look at it this way it is money in my pocket"

You could also accomplish that by putting on some thigh high boots and working the street corner. You really need to raise your standards.

Reply by jimbro on 8/29/07 6:01pm
Msg #208448

Re: Hey Calinotary

Why don't you get a life. All you do is talk negative BS about every person and company on here. No wonder you never are busy with signings, who would want to deal with you.

Get a life

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/29/07 6:11pm
Msg #208449

Re: Hey Calinotary

"Why don't you get a life. All you do is talk negative BS about every person and company on here. No wonder you never are busy with signings, who would want to deal with you.

Get a life"

Nicely said, this notary wants to bash me then it tells me that they have issues to work on and bashing someone else is way to make themselves feel good. It is too bad that they do not have anything else better to do.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/29/07 6:30pm
Msg #208456

Re: Hey Calinotary

You guys are high fiving each other over "get a life"? Like I said, raise your standards.

As for not having anything better to do, duh, haven't you been reading this board? We've all got more free time than we did 3 months ago.

Surely you guys can come up with better insults than these. I can't have my feelings hurt by cliches, you gotta personalize it a bit!

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/29/07 7:24pm
Msg #208459

Re: Hey Calinotary

You are not worth the trouble but I can think of one that came to mind when you started in on me and my first thought was that you might not of been breast feed as a baby...can you feel the love now Cali?

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/29/07 10:30pm
Msg #208481

Huh? I'm so tired of this idiotic reasoning...MoMos indeed.

You reap what you sow.

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/29/07 6:17pm
Msg #208451

"I look at it this way it is money in my pocket"

"You could also accomplish that by putting on some thigh high boots and working the street corner. You really need to raise your standards."

Glad you brought this up, who the heck are you to tell me about my standards, I could lower myself to yours and insult everyone in this forum, now that is way to conduct yourself, you must think that you are better that everyone else here to think that insulting them is classy. Makes me sad for you and the little mind you think with.

Reply by jimbro on 8/29/07 6:22pm
Msg #208454

Well said.

Reply by Les_CO on 8/29/07 8:37pm
Msg #208466

In my opinion any notary that knowingly works for a deadbeat company facilitates their staying in business, thereby damaging the entire notary community. The “money in your pocket” came from some poor unsuspecting notary that SOX did not pay. There are hundreds of them. But you’re right, it’s a free country and you can do business anyway you like. Just don’t look for respect from those that have been burned, or those that have the moral good sense not to work for thieves.

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/29/07 9:02pm
Msg #208472

Your right. but the money in my pocket was money that I earned, as for looking for respect from those that have been burned, I have burned, that is something WE all have had happend at one point or another, as doing signings for Sox I rarely do them, but when I have they have paid me. It seems it is different for anyone else. You talk about good moral sense not to work for theives, well look at all of the people who work and pay taxes, and who do we as taxpayers give our money to every tax year.. THIEVES...

Reply by Les_CO on 8/29/07 9:39pm
Msg #208478

Sox doesn’t pay someone every day. Whether that is cheating, or stealing, or just good business, I think a moral issue. If no notary would work for them ever again they would be out of business, something that a great many of your brother notaries would applaud. We would never hear about them again. (a relief to say the least) If you choose to work for them, it’s your decision, but know this, by doing so you are enabling them, acting as their partner. So the next time you see someone post on this board about being cheated by sox, maybe you should answer them?
Unfortunally most of us have little choice as to how our tax dollars are spent.
One must pay taxes. One only works for SOX by choice.

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/30/07 11:04am
Msg #208575

After all the remarks about this company I can say that now I know, I thank you for that, but the nasty comments are not justified towards me. Not saying that Les that you were one of them and your right it is a moral issue.

Reply by Les_CO on 8/30/07 12:10pm
Msg #208597

Re: sox/Nancy

It was never my intention to “bash” you, or imply that you are a “bad person.” We have never met, and I know virtually nothing about you, not near enough to form any kind of personal opinion. I would like you, and all NSA’s out there to stop and THINK about this business, how it’s changed in the past couple of years, and our part in it.
To REALIZE that we are truly “partners” with the Signing Services. We are a critical, and irreplaceable (as a whole, not individually) part of their business. The good ones (like Tony) after you do a job for them, say “Thanks, if it were not for ‘my’ notaries I’d be out of business!” And so would they all. The ‘bad’ ones could care less. They know that the "Notary Mill" is churning out ‘hopefuls’ almost daily, and it’s in their business plan to cheat as many of them as they can. And what about our friends the good guys? The honest, hard working, responsible, Signing Services? The guys that dig into their own pockets to pay us even if they have not been? Can they compete with companies that don’t pay? NO! Absolutely not! So I say (maybe plead) PLEASE! THINK about what you are doing. To knowingly work for these people is, empowering them, and destroying this business. Think about this; EVERY job they get would go to someone else, if they were not in business! It would not just evaporate. It would be done be an honest SS’s, or maybe by a notary directly through Title.
The few “dollars in your pocket” cannot mean that much to you? This is something we can all do for our combined good. Saying NO to a company what may, pay you if you hound, and threaten, and whine enough, but most likely will not pay at all, should be EASY! Especially if it’s the right thing to do.

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/29/07 10:51pm
Msg #208483

Nancy, You're a MoMo for working for companies like SOX

You are bastardizing the entire NSA business. I hope to hell you are proud of yourself. I see you as nothing but a two bit hoe, taking anything you can get and NOT thinking of the betterment of your community. Life must suck with that mattress strapped to your back.


Be the solution, not the problem!

Life is better on the other side of the SS fence.

Reply by DogmongerCA on 8/30/07 12:32am
Msg #208491

The great thing about this country

is that you can be as stupid as you want. The poster that started this thread, had much the same story as you, "My signings were between 9-06 and 12-06. Prior to that, I had done 29 signigns in the spring and summer and got paid."

The only difference, is that they have not stopped paying you yet. They will. and then you will be back on this forum, just like all the others. I thought I would give them a chance, and now they are behind. How do I collect my money? For you folks who wish to take risks, so be it. Just don't expect sympathy from the board WHEN you get burned. Most on this board have Prior to that, I had done 29 signigns in the spring aseen this same scenario played out, over and over. So excuse our cynicism. As Jack Web used to say, Just the facts:-)

PS There is a old saying, Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me:-( I hope you have continued success in your business and getting paid by these Vipers.

Reply by Lisa Prestegard on 8/30/07 7:17am
Msg #208502

Sorry... you get what you deserve

Nancy, if you come on this (or any other Notary forum) and sing the praises of SOX because you put 'money in your pocket', you are ASKING to be tarred and feathered.

How important you must feel... what a stupendous NSA you are! Oh, so special... the only NSA in the nation that is regularly being paid by SOX.

I'm not trying to be mean, Nancy, but that is the way you're coming across in your post.
Please, save it. Not another shred of bandwidth should be wasted on SOX. They are deadbeat jackbags that have lined their pockets with money that belongs to my peers. They continue to stay in business because XYZ churns out $50 NSA's and tells them to get their feet wet with the likes of SOX.

Reply by Nancy M. Misenar on 8/30/07 10:49am
Msg #208565

Re: Sorry... you get what you deserve

For all of you that feel that bashing me personally well thank you. Now that my head is out of my a**
I am not bashing any of you, who the hell are you to put me down, so what that I have done signings for SOX and had been paid, I am not saying that are a great company. I have other companies that are ten times better than Sox. For you label me as some "hoe" how old are you?
Grow up, I thought this was a forum for talking about closings, not labeling people that you have never met or even know. I have been in this business 8 years now, some of you longer or shorter, so flippin what. Why does a $50 signing insult some of you so much, oh I know your all better than that, it is none of my business of who makes what, but I have made a nice income including those $50 closings. Lisa says how important do I feel by being paid by sox? No I am not saying I was important for getting paid I was stating that I did get paid and I am just damn thankful for getting calls in this market and I do not mean from SOX.
Lisa how important you must feel to tell me what you preceive me to be, not trying to be mean you say, no just a being a smart ass like some others, oh that makes you a special signing agent now doesn't it.
I am just trying to talk about what I have experienced. A lot of you have been burned by this company and I am sorry for that it is down right bull sh-t, but, I have not had any signings from them in a while and thru this information that is on the boards I will reconsider if there is a next time. I have been with this website for 4 years now and have never seen so much hatred for other people, I know that folks can be mean but being down right nasty and for what.
When any of you go and insult another person does your chest puff out? do you feel proud that you can bash others for what they have done or said? Give me a break here ,when take your ego's out of the way and what do you get. Oh that's right we are all the same. Excuse me for being so negative sounding I guess this certain topic has rubbed off on me, what great experience I am getting, now I am sounding like one of you.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/30/07 1:20pm
Msg #208626

Re: Sorry... you get what you deserve

"When any of you go and insult another person does your chest puff out?"

My chest doesn't puff out, but I do get a nice, warm, tingly feeling in my crotch.

"Excuse me for being so negative sounding I guess this certain topic has rubbed off on me, what great experience I am getting, now I am sounding like one of you."

Well then you should now understand why you've gotten the responses you've gotten. You broke down within one thread, now picture yourself discussing this on a weekly basis for 3 years. How nice do you think you'd be after that?

Reply by BetsyMI on 8/30/07 1:31pm
Msg #208631

Oh Cali, you crack me up...LOL! n/m