Posted by LisaWI on 7/23/07 8:31am
Msg #201228

No Pic on ID??

This is a first. Drivers license for borrower had no picture with words "Valid without Photo" where pic would have been. Borrower was in the Military and traveled all over the world. I used Military ID as back up, it had a photo. Can anyone explain to me why they dont have to have a photo? She said she emailed to get her DL. Huhhhhh?? Not that it makes any difference, but it would seem to me this is a pretty risky practice.

Reply by jba/fl on 7/23/07 8:36am
Msg #201231

A regular DL? What state? Must be some kind of thing the indiv. state does w/military? New to me.

Reply by LisaWI on 7/23/07 8:39am
Msg #201233

Re: To jba-Wisconsin DL n/m

Reply by PAW on 7/23/07 1:30pm
Msg #201303

They do it if Florida too. Military mostly, that can't get to a licensing center. But also some law enforcement officials have ID's without pictures and addresses that are not their homes, but the FDLE office. Also, many states allow ID's without photo for religious accommodations.

Reply by PAW on 7/23/07 1:34pm
Msg #201304

According to the Council on American - Islamic Relations: (http://www.cair-net.org/downloads/driversphoto.pdf)

There are sharp distinctions in the way state agencies have approached this matter.

Several states allow for a no-photo driver’s license

Thirteen states allow a no-photo driver’s license option, in deference to customers who have
religious objections to being photographed. These states are: Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas,
Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee,
Washington, and Wisconsin. Some of these states have a concentration of Amish and Mennonite
Christians—who hold the belief that Bible teachings do not allow them to be photographed.

Three states do not allow the no-photo option
These states are California, North Carolina and South Carolina

Most states are silent on the issue
All remaining thirty-three states do not address this issue of religious accommodation.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 7/23/07 8:55am
Msg #201237

I've heard of that before. Active duty military personnel do get special privileges wih this sort of thing. I think different states have different rules. I think I've heard that New Jersey allows the no-picture D/L but I may be misremembering.

Reply by MelissaCT on 7/23/07 9:06am
Msg #201242

I know (certain) police have option of having precinct address on their DLs, but I've not come across DL without picture.

Reply by Serina/VT on 7/23/07 9:30am
Msg #201252

Vermont does not (as of yet) require a photo on your DL, you can renew by mail. Makes for some interesting signings.

Reply by Elizabeth Soliday on 7/23/07 10:00am
Msg #201259

When I was in the military, I had the same thing done with my Michigan drivers license, mine said the same thing, "Valid without Photo". I had a situation where the signer never had a drivers license (she was in her 50's) and she provided a birth certificate and ss card. I took a copy of both and noted the Oregon regulation next to the place I put down the information (and of course notified the signing/title co. of her not having picture ID). This is when you really need your notary public guide to make sure you can do it.

Reply by Philip Johnson on 7/23/07 1:00pm
Msg #201298

You might want to look at your Oregon guide

Chapter 6 page 22 under ID. A birth certificate(does not contain the person's signature) is not one of the docs they authorize and I have checked with Salem, for I had the same situation. In my case we used a library card and a credit card which the California title company disliked, but met the rules in Oregon.

Reply by Laurie Rangel on 7/23/07 10:24am
Msg #201262

If you are in dought you can always use a credible wittness, I have done that several times before you just need to have the credible wittness also sign you book and when I fill out the form I fill out 2 copies send one with the docs and I keep the other one for my protection that way you put the burdon on the wittness

Reply by LisaWI on 7/23/07 10:31am
Msg #201263

Re: Laurie-in Wisconsin....

Credible witnesses have to know the signer and the notary. For the most part, this isnt an option for us.
I covered all the bases in this situation with a back up ID. I just havent heard of this and was wondering if Military Law and their special privilages trump notary law. Its a general inquiry. When I called to confirm the appt I told them to have their unexpired ID's ready. Never thought I would come across no pic on ID.
You learn something new in this biz all the time, LOL.

Reply by LisaWI on 7/23/07 10:37am
Msg #201266

Re: And Laurie

With all due respect, please be careful on telling someone from a different state what to do in certain cases. I am not a new notary, but if I had been, you might have been directing me incorrectly as far as laws are concerned. Im not trying to be mean, and I hope you dont take it as such.

Reply by Laurie Rangel on 7/23/07 10:46am
Msg #201268

Re: And Laurie

Thank you for the advise, I don't think you are being mean I don't feel at any advice given to help is being mean I know you are not only trying to help me but to also help other at the same time, however I did learn this from other notaries also from different states and like other things you need to do you what you feel comfortable with because bottom line you will be the one paying the price so you are right about different state.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 7/23/07 12:06pm
Msg #201290

Re: And Laurie

in Florida we can only use credible witnesses if it is impossible for the signer to get ID - this does not mean inconvenient, it means impossible The signer has to be incapable of getting to the drivers license office for ID. I have had to refuse notarizing when the signer has an expired ID or lost ID, they were able to go to the drivers license office the following day. Had some unhappy signing companies but I follow the law.

Reply by SharonMN on 7/23/07 10:50am
Msg #201271

Use passport!

If this person "travels all over the world," then surely they have a passport you can use as ID?

Reply by LisaWI on 7/23/07 11:39am
Msg #201281

Re: Use passport! I did ask

her and she claimed she didnt have one. Maybe they dont with a Military ID. Not sure.

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 7/23/07 11:41am
Msg #201284

Only need passport

If traveling as a civilian. Military on active duty traveling on orders do no need a passport.

Reply by LisaWI on 7/23/07 11:44am
Msg #201285

Re: Only need passport

Thanx Dorothy, now that make sense.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 7/23/07 12:08pm
Msg #201291

Re: Only need passport

Hmm my husband had a military passport. Different colour than the regular passports.

Reply by SueW/Tn on 7/23/07 12:32pm
Msg #201294

In my state a pic on the DL becomes an option

at a specific age. I have had two folks that chose that option and the lenders worked with me as far as what they would accept. While it is 100% legal here I opted for that ugly pic because it can quickly turn into a sticky wicket.

Reply by Philip Johnson on 7/23/07 1:02pm
Msg #201299

I too had a Military passport in a red color

along with my civilian blue one. Sometimes it's better to carry your civilian passport, for peace of mind and body.

Reply by Treasure Valley Notary - Tina on 7/23/07 1:18pm
Msg #201301

Re: Only need passport

Sylvia,

I was thinking the same thing, so I asked my hubby about it. Normally military personnel do not need a passport, they can go on government orders. But some military personnel go on special duties and then they have a government passport to use. Mine, who was a flight engineer on C-141's and C-5's, did many types of missions and he had been in and out of countries by both means, but there were times he also had to use just a regular passport. So it does vary. Please keep in mind it may be different now because he did retire, almost 15 years ago, due to injuries he got in the first Persian Gulf War while in Saudi Arabia.

Reply by dickb/wi on 7/23/07 4:07pm
Msg #201322

no passport required of active duty personell..... n/m

Reply by dickb/wi on 7/23/07 4:09pm
Msg #201324

at least when i was a marine....... n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 7/23/07 4:11pm
Msg #201325

Re: no passport required of active duty personell.....

Not always true. Although my husband traveled throughout Europe during his military days he did not require a passport until he was transferred to a mobile unit and then he had to have a passport.

Reply by Gerry_VT on 7/23/07 4:08pm
Msg #201323

Re: Use passport!

I watched, on CSPAN, an official from the State Department testify before Congress about the delays in processing passports. Since applicants can indicate their travel plans (so the passport center can give priority to those traveling soon), and there has been an upsurge in people not indicating any travel plans, the State Department has concluded that large numbers of people are applying for passports to use for them for ID within the country. The application forms don't ask enough questions to reveal why this is so.

So many people are doing this that it is contributing to the delays in issuing passports.

Reply by SharonMN on 7/23/07 4:55pm
Msg #201334

Re: Use passport!

Just because someone doesn't have any immediate travel plans doesn't mean they are requesting a passport for ID only. I had mine for several years before I went anywhere. I'm sure a lot of people are getting them that just want to be prepared now that passports will be required for Canada, cruises, etc. Then if a good vacation deal pops up (or they need to travel for work), they can go without worrying about expediting a passport application.

Gerry VT said: Since applicants can indicate their travel plans (so the passport center can give priority to those traveling soon), and there has been an upsurge in people not indicating any travel plans, the State Department has concluded that large numbers of people are applying for passports to use for them for ID within the country.

Reply by Gerry_VT on 7/23/07 5:05pm
Msg #201337

Re: Use passport!

I agree with Sharon that it's hard to know what passport applicant's have in mind if they don't indicate travel plans, but the State Department official believed that some of them were getting them wanted to be prepared for foreign travel on shorter notice, and others had no intention of foreign travel, and just wanted them for use within the country.