Posted by Harry [NR] on 3/9/07 4:48pm
Msg #179239

Is Kelly Robertson of LoanSigner101 a Fraud?

We keep getting reports that Kelly Robertson of California has been posting on other sites that Premier Membership with Notary Rotary is a waste of money. According to her post(s), she claims to have paid for a top spot on Notary Rotary and never received a call that she was aware of.

There seem to be a couple problems with this. First, there is no such thing as a "top spot" on Notary Rotary. It doesn't work that way. Second, an analysis of her profile reveals that it was viewed over 2300 times, making the likelihood of not getting a call with a definitive tie to Notary Rotary extremely unlikely (unless they really, really didn't like what they were looking at).

If you are a signing service or title company and are relatively certain you have called Kelly Robertson, telling her that you retrieved her information from the Notary Rotary web site, we would love to hear from you. Please e-mail [e-mail address]. Note that any information you provide MAY BE USED in a defamation lawsuit.

Beyond that, we would like to hear from anyone who is familiar with Kelly Robertson's training materials and has noticed marked similarities to other training materials. We've already been told by a couple different sources that she may be somewhat of a rip-off artist - that certain materials she has been selling appear to have been plagiarized from other people's work. If you believe this is the case, please let us know. If she is unfairly profiting from the work of others and they are not aware of it, we may be able to help.

Complaints or observations related to Kelly Robertson of LoanSigner101 can be e-mailed to:

[e-mail address]

Finally, as an interesting side note, I believe Kelly Robertson is on record as stating that there is NOT a notary signing agent saturation problem in California. Curiously, though, we have record of a conversation with one of her associates who cited the saturation problem and suggested that due to the dilution of business, it would be much easier to make money on all the prospective signing agents who think they're going to get rich in the profession than try to compete with them in the face of lower fees. Like lambs to the slaughter, I suppose.

As you read this, please give some thought to who is working for you and who is working against you. We have paid far more to promote YOU in the past few years than we have received in membership fees. Our focus is NOT to pump more signing agents into an already crowded market, but to provide services to those who rightly find their own way.

Best,

Harry
Notary Rotary

P.S. If you happen into any of Ms. Robertson's posts and you have a different opinion regarding Notary Rotary membership, we would appreciate it if you would share it.

Reply by hcampersFL on 3/9/07 4:54pm
Msg #179240

Well finally! I will say here and now that I don't like the

underhanded way I saw her do business when she was still posting on Notary Rotary. Using alias and posing as different people. Then when caught red handed she only wanted to blame her "staff".
I will gladly send you the email she sent to me. Don't eat before you read it you might lose your lunch!
Beverly Nichols

Reply by MistarellaFL on 3/10/07 11:08am
Msg #179378

Re: Well finally! I will say here and now that I don't like the

Just another case of sour grapes IMO.

Reply by PJM/MI on 3/9/07 4:55pm
Msg #179241

Harry, I would just like to tell you what a wonderful website this is and all of the calls I get from it! I do believe you promote this site to the best of your ability. You & your staff have done a wonderful job, and I'm saddened to read your post.
I know my "premier" membership has helped me quite a bit, and the fee for that premier membership is really just a drop in the bucket from the work I have gotten from this website.
Good luck in your lawsuit, and PLEASE keep up the good work!

Reply by Shelley Weinman on 3/9/07 5:09pm
Msg #179248

When I first started out as a Signing Agent, I had the free basic membership. I have completed some 240 closings, all of them (but 3 from FASS - because I worked there as a scheduler) citing Notary Rotary as the source.

Once I purchased the Premier membership, I went from 140 looks in 18 months to over 250+ just six (6) days later! The membership is well worth the price.

That doesn't count the friendships and professional advice and contacts I have developed, which is worth so much more.

Sincerely,

Shelley Kay Weinman

Reply by MistarellaFL on 3/9/07 5:28pm
Msg #179251

Some of us are not surprised

Are we?

Reply by Rickwoca on 3/9/07 6:24pm
Msg #179258

Re: Some of us are not surprised

Harry you offer the best services to notaries. Keep up good work.
Rick

Reply by marlindog on 3/9/07 6:25pm
Msg #179259

NOTARY ROTARY ALL WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/m

Reply by MistarellaFL on 3/10/07 11:04am
Msg #179377

Right on Rafael! n/m

Reply by Leon_CO on 3/9/07 7:31pm
Msg #179266

Is this the right thing to do? Is this the right way to handle the situation?

I am very disappointed that the owner of this site would post this. Kelly doesn't have the power to delete this topic. But if she or someone else were to post something on this site that is unsuitable, the moderators have the power to delete it.

You can't please everyone. You are going to have dissenters with anything. People are always going to find faults.

People say negative things about the President, the government, corporations, lawyers, ... you name it. All the time.

My point is that, it requires a lot of strength of character to take criticism. Be strong. We're blessed that we live in a country where we have freedom of speech. I'm exercising mine by letting people know what I think of all this.

Delete this if you want. It's just my humble opinion.

Reply by Ilona_OH on 3/9/07 7:39pm
Msg #179267

hip-hip-hooray for Harry!!!! Most of my calls

are from Premier Notary Rotary!!

Reply by TitleGalCA on 3/9/07 7:59pm
Msg #179271

Leon, think again. In the two years I've known Harry he has the patience of a saint and doesn't take any action unless necessary, in my experience.

For him to make a post like this? He would have to have 'a leg to stand on' for lack of a better way of saying it. Harry is so supportive of his customers - there must be something very, very seriously wrong. Recall he said that anything you emailed could be used in legal action. There is a problem and he's addressing it.

Reply by Stamper_WI on 3/9/07 8:05pm
Msg #179273

Leon

I doubt you would sit still if you were in Harry's place. If this is true, she is attempting to damage Harry's business. Not only that she may be doing it by using his and others training materials. Both are illegal.
Harry states that he is looking into these allegations. I have no doubt he spent a lot of thought and effort in researching this before making his statement. My opinion is he found enough to pursue it further.
You know all to well how scattered we are as is our resources. Especially if that defamation is being done on the internet and nationally. Compare it to trying to collect from deadbeat companies. How often do you see someone seeking help on collection or any number of problems. Why can't Harry do this as well on his own site? That would be like saying your blog is inappropiate. What if some one passed something from your blog off as their thoughts and made money off of it?

Reply by Leon_CO on 3/9/07 9:16pm
Msg #179295

Re: Leon ... my thoughts

I don't know the whole story. I only know what I think is right, and what I think is wrong.

I published my thoughts about all of this in my blog tonight. The topic is called simply: 'Freedom of Speech'

Good night.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 3/9/07 9:43pm
Msg #179297

Re: Leon ... my thoughts...Speech is not free if it falls

under the definitions of slander or libel (I have no idea which at this point since this is the only notary site I read). Defamatory speech has been an issue throughout history. Kelly has always been cordial to me and Harry has an absolutely great product and the site has been extremely valuable to me so I am staying completely out of it. I must say however that most of the calls I get are from Notary Rotary and that numbers site and really no one else, with Notary Rotary being the lion's share. I believe that Harry has every right to defend himself and even an obligation to his constituent notaries to do so to do otherwise wold be dereliction of duty . This does not fall under free speech and defense in my opinion is obligatory. I understand that there has been been acrimony between the two for quite some time and I hope that it gets resolved properly and expeditiously in the appropriate forum and not tried in the court of public opinion! I personally have no opinion on this whatsoever (make note of the preceding statement it doesn't happen often

Reply by CaliNotary on 3/9/07 11:13pm
Msg #179303

Re: Leon ... my thoughts...Speech is not free if it falls

"I believe that Harry has every right to defend himself and even an obligation to his constituent notaries to do so to do otherwise wold be dereliction of duty . This does not fall under free speech and defense in my opinion is obligatory. I understand that there has been been acrimony between the two for quite some time and I hope that it gets resolved properly and expeditiously in the appropriate forum and not tried in the court of public opinion!"

It's too bad you don't believe in speaking in plain English. Are you literally getting paid for every 10 dollar word you stick into your responses or what? Keep it simple, stupid!

Reply by Susan Fischer on 3/10/07 12:34am
Msg #179307

Re: Leon ... my thoughts...Speech is not free if it falls

Yes, Charles, please dumb it down for CaliNotary, as he is apparently incapable of reading and comprehending words of more than one or two syllables used in complex sentences.

Sigh. How sad that the beauty and richness of our language is so offensive to the anti-educated, or so threatening to the under-educated.

"We don't need no education..." they sang. Yes, you do, CaliNotary. Or if not, at least the manners to refrain from calling good writers "stupid" on a public forum dedicated to written conversations about our profession.

Cheers!
Susie

Reply by TitleGalCA on 3/10/07 1:11am
Msg #179308

Re: Leon ... my thoughts...Speech is not free if it falls

Susan, Charles did not "dumb it down" for Cali. Quite the opposite. Cali has but very few peers in expessing his opinion, and frankly doesnt' need anyof them.

The 'stupid' comment wouldn't have been posted by Cali unless it was........stupid? Go re-read the posts and come to your own conclusion.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 3/10/07 1:16am
Msg #179310

TG you missed my point - entirely. n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 3/10/07 2:03pm
Msg #179402

People in glass houses....hmmm? n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 3/10/07 2:12pm
Msg #179403

Re: People in glass houses....hmmm? Intended for

TitleGal exclusively. Cali reminds me of Chachi, yelp, yelp, yelp, and has absolutely no purpose! There, simple enough for both of you to understand!

Reply by CaliNotary on 3/10/07 1:14am
Msg #179309

Re: Leon ... my thoughts...Speech is not free if it falls

You've really never heard the phrase "keep it simple, stupid"? It's really not the same thing as saying "hey, you're stupid!". And now you're slightly less under-educated than you just showed yourself to be. Pay it forward, baby!

And you must have read enough of my posts to see that it's plain that I have a lot of smartitude. I just don't need to slip big words into everything I write to try to impress others with it.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 3/10/07 1:34am
Msg #179314

"I just don't need to slip big words into

everything I write to try to impress others with it."

Neither does Charles, I dare say. He simply has an excellent command of our language.

And I didn't say you weren't ~smart~, I said you lacked manners which, you do.

The KISS phylosophy, by the way, is older than you, and quite established, and IMHO, shouldn't universally apply to the level of language on a professional board of those who write it well!

Cheers!
Susie

Reply by Marlene/USNA on 3/10/07 9:03am
Msg #179346

Re: KISS

Yes, it really is the same thing as saying, "hey, you're stupid!" if the person reading it is not familiar with KISS. And it's really not a commentary on a person's education to not have heard of it.

I first heard KISS while visiting 12-step programs in the early 70s (I'm not telling which ones!) and now hear it all the time in general conversation - it's a simple truth. I've heard it translated as "Keep it simple, silly" and "Keep it simple, Sam."

It has taken me, literally, years and several seminars to get my English degreed speech and writing geared to a more general audience so I could stop standing in the way of my message. I can sling multi-syllables with the best of them as well as a string of @!$#s if the occasion calls for it. even tlk in tm, incomplete sentences and mispeled words no punc (but it's a lot harder for me) I even know how to demean a person until she goes crying to her mother. Communicating in a chosen way is a knife we hone all our lives. No way is better or worse than the next as long as we also know how to look past the words to the message.

Marlene, commenting for herself and not USNA
[e-mail address]

Reply by ReneeK_MI on 3/10/07 11:56am
Msg #179382

That last paragraph is a gem, Marlene! =) n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 3/10/07 2:02pm
Msg #179401

Let me keep it simple for you Cali: gvdl pgg bttvjqf...

just move each letter down one if you are capable of it.

Reply by Charm_AL on 3/9/07 8:34pm
Msg #179283

Re: Is Kelly Robertson of LoanSigner101 a Fraud?Leon

she may not have the power to delete, but she sure can come on and defend herself. Harry has the right to free speech too, as well as being the owner of this site that someone is trying to discredit and ruin reputations well earned and deserved.
I think he is right in his stance to challenge a person that has a very strong voice out there in CA trying to recruit the state into a field that she knows, without a doubt,is saturated beyond ridiculous.
But take her course, stroke her ego and she'll be you're best puppet friend, she's a yeah yeah person as long as her pockets keep getting lined from the same info that we should learn ourselves with any kind of research.
I've always thought....there will always be someone to invent self importance and jump on the "I can make $$ off these people/this industry bandwagon".
There is nothing that I would pay her to teach me that I can't find out for myself, and without the promises of riches and fame! All she needs is that checkered used car salesmen sport jacket.

Reply by Marlene/USNA on 3/10/07 10:06am
Msg #179367

Re: I don't think Kelly can come on and defend herself

like you say. I remember that Harry banned her from posting. Don't count on my grey matter, tho, only Harry knows for sure!

Reply by mtcwgrl on 3/9/07 8:02pm
Msg #179272

This is by far the best site out there. Most professional and easy to navigate. I attribute most of my success as a signing agent to this site and the wonderful people, with knowledge and advice, that post here. I have gleaned more from this site than I can express in a few words.
I would say this is the "Cadillac" of Notary Sites.

Thanks so much Notary Rotary!!!

Reply by Charm_AL on 3/9/07 8:25pm
Msg #179280

I do not have anything in my arsenal, but I can say with confidence that the very few times we crossed paths, she was unprofessional to me and I can tell a snake oil salesman a mile away!
I also heard that she touts living in a better $$$ area than she really resides in.

Reply by LauriecPA on 3/9/07 10:00pm
Msg #179299

I pay to advertise on four sites and NotRot is THE main source I get calls from. I may get an occasional call from one of the others...the other two, I should just cancel!
I remember a lot of neg. posts from her before, mostly having trouble getting along with people on the boards. I haven't seen her name in a while. I guess b/c she's on other boards now. Remember the time she wrote her entire life story, I think it was in an answer to Charm?
(I peeked at the only other message boards I know of, to see if I saw her comments and the first thing I saw was Flaskmac trashing notRot. I didn't bother to read any further.)

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 3/10/07 1:21am
Msg #179311

See if you can guess the identity of a certain red-headed,,

bespectacled individual , whose board name reminds one of
a famous , large hamburger under a golden arch, who is posting on
GMN in support of Ms K and seriously knocking the Harrymeister.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the boards
(sound of french horns. do do do do ,, do do do do )

Reply by AngelinaAZ on 3/10/07 3:16am
Msg #179315

Well Bob...

I saw that BS too. What a crock of sh*t! One reason that our *bespeckled friend* might be a staunch Kelly supporter is because Kelly seems to subscribe to the 'Oh so popular' philosophy of BILL THE BORROWER.

My favorites posts by Miss Robertson are the ones where she talks about making borrowers sign a statement that they will personally pay her if a loan does not close... many SA's (including me) consider this a violation of RESPA laws.


Goodness me... do these look familiar?

****Escrow fees and closing costs are disclosed on the Good Faith Estimate and the notary fee is a part of all that (escrow). Escrow sends an estimated Settlement Statement to the customer with the docs (here in California - we don't really use HUD-1 for that) and my fee is disclosed on that as well. Remember I work for lenders, title/escrow -- my fee has been discussed and agreed upon. I show the borrowers their Sett Stmnt which has my fee on it and they sign it. I show them my letter, they sign it and agree to pay me and they do (directly) if escrow doesn't close (because then there is no escrow to pay me). I am not specific in the letter, but say "for reasons independent of notary public error and/or no within the Notary's Control". I don't state the reasons (like bad ID, no show, crappy terms, etc) but if they ask for reasons why, I will tell them a few examples). Yes, they do sign! Do I feel weird about it? Nah. I'm there, I'm doing my job, I've traveled, used my gas and my time and I'm gettin' paid.****


****In a nutshell, it says that if the loan does not fund for any reason beyond my personal control, then they (the borrower that I signed) owes me my fee. I've had 4 that did not fund for one reason or another this year and all have been paid. I just send the B's an invoice with a copy of the letter they signed along with a self-addressed, stamped envelope and other than a phone call or two to clarify the invoice, I've not had one single problem collecting.****


Reference post numbers 125318 & 125427 by Kelly Robertson

Reply by MistarellaFL on 3/10/07 6:10am
Msg #179317

Re: See if you can guess the identity of a certain red-headed,,

Glad to see she posted she is out of the NSA business.
She is now "over there" preaching to the others that this field is done.

Reply by SueW/Tn on 3/10/07 8:52am
Msg #179339

Re: See if you can guess the identity of a certain red-headed,,

Morning All~

I gotta admit I had a good chuckle over statements like "hard ass" and "sticking to the rule book"...I must have missed all of that.

On the subject of Kelly, my experience is different than what I've read. I sincerely hope that the these two professionals can get together and work their differences out. I appreciate Harry and this site, I received alot of calls because of my membership here and I pay my membership fees accordingly. Kelly has also been very nice to me, never condescending and always helpful. I have not read the posts that began this disagreement but I sincerely hope these two professionals are working things out behind the scenes.

Reply by Cris_AR on 3/10/07 6:28am
Msg #179321

I am not sure who she is and have no personal experience with her however I remember a time when I had to ask NR to REMOVE my name due to the fact that I was getting too many calls and at the time I could not perform signings. Almost every caller stated they found my name on NR.

Reply by SarahBeth_CA on 3/10/07 9:19am
Msg #179355

Harry I recall a thread where Kelly and I went at it

I'd have to look it up because it had to do with her feeling that it's those who bought into the classes and the hype are suckers to bare the blame yet she left out the information that she is an instructor which I called her on. I don't know if you care about it but it's in here somewhere. There more than likely was some talk on saturation. I'm thinking off the top of my head.

Reply by LilMsNotary on 3/12/07 11:50pm
Msg #179666

Re: Ms. Kelly

I have read the message board, and honestly disgusted on all the talk about one person. This is not high school people, I understand if you have an opinion about something or someone, but there is also a "mature" way of expressing your self!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but bashing someone, name calling, and bashing someone else for their opinions is truly childish!!! You cannot please everyone, I know I will get both negative and positive feed back from my comment, and that's fine. Just remember I didn't have to "name call" anyone to get my point across. As for Ms. Kelly, I have had nothing but positive experiences with her!! She has been a wonderful role model in this industry, and has done a great job doing it!!! No matter where you go there will be someone that doesn't like what you say, do, or who you are, and that's fine. I personally admire all her hard work, and teachings she has brought to this industry. She is successful for a reason, because she is honest, and good at what she does!!!