Posted by ReneeK_MI on 3/6/07 2:05pm
Msg #178505

Ms. Cipa ...

I didn't participate in the discussion here regarding your Blog, and that was my choice. I didn't respond to things you said in your own venue, again as my choice. I didn't appreciate your swiping my post from here and publishing it within your Blog, as it was NOT my choice to present myself within such a venue. While it may be perfectly within the law to do what you did (and I don't know if it is or isn't), I didn't appreciate it.

Fortunately, I am extremely disciplined and ever aware of my words - of what I say, and how I say it, and I have nothing to be regretful of. Let this be a warning to everyone else - you just never know where your words will end up on the internet, who will read them (here or elsewhere), or how they might be taken by other reading communities.

Thank you to those who gave me a head's up about this. =)

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 3/6/07 2:20pm
Msg #178513

"I didn't appreciate your swiping my post from here and publishing it within your Blog, "

As far as I know it is a copyright infringement ( you own the copyright to your own words) to take posts from one message board and post them to another without the express permission of the author or the board owner. I know you didn't give permission for your post to be posted over there and I doubt Harry did.
I would request Ms Cipa to remove it from her blog.

(I am not an attorney, so the above is my opinion only)

Reply by Charles_Ca on 3/6/07 3:10pm
Msg #178540

Re: Ms. Cipa ...I believe Sylvia is right...

I am not an attorney and so I am just expressing myh opinion. I wold suspect that Harry might have some issues with blogers removing materials from his website also and may have also have some clout with the company hosting Ms. Cipa's Blog.

Reply by ReneeK_MI on 3/6/07 3:13pm
Msg #178544

I've requested clarification on this from Harry. While the post in question was fairly mundane - by posting it within her Blog, it is outside of it's context. Regardless, it's the principle - or the complete lack of.

Ms. Cipa - I'm writing you here as it is my choice not to have a presence on your blog, and it is obvious that you are reading these posts. I would appreciate your removing my name and post from your site. I truly don't wish any drama for either of us about it, either. Thank you.

Reply by ZeeCA on 3/6/07 3:37pm
Msg #178553

My recollection of followng this type of thing is unless it is a published article even w/ the correct biblio info, it is a free for all on the internet the last that I had heard or read...

i would be interested in whether that has changed....

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/6/07 4:23pm
Msg #178563

Copyright infringement

"My recollection of followng this type of thing is unless it is a published article even w/ the correct biblio info, it is a free for all on the internet the last that I had heard or read... "

There seems to be a misconception that anything appearing anywhere on the Internet is in the public domain.

You own the copyright to anything you write (assuming, of course, you're not just copying someone else's work). It doesn't have to be published, although putting it on the Internet pretty much qualifies as publishing... You don't have to register it with the Copyright Office, and as of a few years ago you don't have to tack a copyright notice on it - basically, if it came out of your head and somehow made it into readable form, you own it. There are exceptions for "fair use", but generally if someone takes something you wrote and publishes it elsewhere without your permission, they may be liable for copyright infringement.

Usual disclaimer - I am not an attorney, and this is not intended to be legal advice.

Reply by Becca_FL on 3/6/07 4:31pm
Msg #178566

Well, well, well. Look who's NOT honoring

"the letter and the spirit of the law" now.

Ms. Cipa, "...get legal or get out. Nobody is well served by ignorance."

What a piece of work. (_?_)

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/6/07 4:51pm
Msg #178593

Re: Well, well, well. Look who's NOT honoring

<< Ms. Cipa, "...get legal or get out. Nobody is well served by ignorance." >>

She can rant about the alleged illegality of NSAs handling loan signings (note to Ms Cipa: the fact that no law exists to cover an activity doesn't make that activity illegal), but doesn't know enough about copyright to realize she may be violating the law herself.

She's absolutely right. No one is well served by ignorance - including the people who read her blog...

Reply by Katrina Arnaud on 3/6/07 4:38pm
Msg #178575

Re: Ms. Cipa ..- plagiarized

In reality, the document may have been plagiarized, but that’s not the same as a copyright infringement. The original document must be registered and carry the copyright bug to warn of the copyright on that document.

Also –this is just an opinion.

Reply by Katrina Arnaud on 3/6/07 4:40pm
Msg #178584

Re: Ms. Cipa ..- plagiarized... and

In addition, the internet is public domaine.

Reply by Katrina Arnaud on 3/6/07 4:45pm
Msg #178590

LEGAL FACT


This is from the
LEGALZOON.COM website:

If your work is not protected by a copyright, it can be copied and used by anyone, without your consent. If you are the creator of an original literary, musical or artistic work, such as a book, song or photograph, LegalZoom can help you quickly and efficiently register it for federal copyright protection. Simply follow our 3 step process:

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/6/07 5:14pm
Msg #178600

Re: LEGAL FACT

Not true - they're just pushing legal services.

Here's the real deal:

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

Reply by MelissaCT on 3/6/07 9:56pm
Msg #178666

Look at the bottom of this page -- or any on NR

"Copyright © 2002-2006 Notary Rotary, Inc. All rights reserved."

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/7/07 11:32am
Msg #178774

Re: Look at the bottom of this page -- or any on NR

Right - it's not a requirement in order to claim copyright, but it does strengthen the claim.

Reply by sue_pa on 3/6/07 4:43pm
Msg #178586

one of mine too n/m

Reply by Larry/Ca on 3/6/07 4:46pm
Msg #178591

Just curious here.

I see quoted material from original sources here, everywhere, all the time. Are you all saying that this is really unlawful.

Reply by Katrina Arnaud on 3/6/07 4:51pm
Msg #178592

Yup - Quote the source

I took the quote straight from the website. I believe--again, not an attorney, the way to avoid the piracy laws is to quote the original source.. which I did.

Katrina

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/6/07 5:12pm
Msg #178599

Re: Just curious here.

No, it is not unlawful to quote material from a source - that usually comes under the "fair use" exception.

For more info on copyright, check out http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 3/6/07 5:31pm
Msg #178604

Re: Just curious here.

Actually every time I see Doc posting lyrics to a song, I worry about Harry getting sued, as it is violating the copyright laws by posting the lyrics.