Posted by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 11:13am
Msg #177696

Quick question for the Pueblo, CO Notary

that notarized the $1,500 sell/buy papers for the 5-month old baby -- did you use a Jurat or Acknowledgement?

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 11:31am
Msg #177700

Huh? I've been on vacation...what did I miss now?

Good to see you! How's things up north?

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 11:37am
Msg #177702

duh... 'guess I'm not awake yet!

Haven't had a chance to catch the whole story. Was there a notarized document with that sale? I can't believe a notary would notarize a doc for the sale of a baby!

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 11:43am
Msg #177704

Re: According to the News last night ...

and taken from 9News.com
**He says they went to a notary, thinking that would make the transfer of custody legal. 9NEWS confirmed that the notary stamped a simple document that stated the Lermas would take care of the child and provide education and basic needs.**

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 11:47am
Msg #177705

Hmmmm.....Wonder where he got

it notarized at! Curious to see, now, who the notary was.

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 11:53am
Msg #177707

Also have to wonder, by this statement, if the notary

in question explained or made clear to the man that a U.S. Notary in NOT like a Mexico Notary. We do not have the same powers as they do in Mexico. Did Uribe sign and not appear before the notary? It just says that Lerma took the docs to a notary to "make it official". *Notice the news report says "Notary Publics", instead of "Notaries Public". How funny!

"Court documents said Uribe had signed a document handing over custody of the child to the Lermas. Lerma, a U.S. citizen from Mexico, said he went to a notary to make it official.

Notary publics, or "notarios," can administer oaths and authenticate documents. But in some countries, including Mexico, a notario is a state-appointed, private lawyer with special government powers. "

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 11:55am
Msg #177708

Re: Also have to wonder, by this statement, if the notary

I'm curuious as to when you "buy" a baby or "make a loan" and use the baby as collateral, what the Notary made them "swear" to or "acknowledge" ??

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 12:01pm
Msg #177711

Good Question! Just think...this opens up a whole new

area! Maybe the XYZ can hold classes on how to notarize documents pertaining to the sale of a child/baby! Can't you see the advertisements now! LOL!

Reply by bfd110_IN on 3/1/07 12:19pm
Msg #177719

Could have been a regular notary also

It might not have been a signing agent that was a notary. They could have taken the documents to the bank and asked for a notary, could have had a notary that worked for an attorney's office notarize the doc. YOu never now. All that notary did was certify that the people apeared before him or her.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 12:40pm
Msg #177722

Re: Never referred to the Notary as a Signing Agent n/m

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 12:53pm
Msg #177727

Re: Could have been a regular notary also

Yes...no one said it was a signing agent, but more than likely went to a brick & mortar bldg with a notary that works there. Question is, and this could just be a reporter(s) error, but you have to wonder since it comes across the same way in several different newscasts, Mr. Lerma, the buyer, states that the Mother, the seller, signed over custody of the baby to them and then HE(alone) took the paper to the notary to notarize it. The Mother is an illegal alien, and I have to wonder if she even had any acceptable form of ID. Many I.A.'s around here don't. And IF she appeared before the notary. Lots of questions, now to wait for the answers to come out! But I am curious to hear what the whole story will be!

Reply by bfd110_IN on 3/1/07 1:02pm
Msg #177732

Sorry

This statement was made "you "buy" a baby or "make a loan" and use the baby as collateral, what the Notary made them "swear" to or "acknowledge" ??" MOst notaries that do "purchasesor deal with collaterized itrems" are normally signing agents.

and who needs ID's anymore....Heck Bank of America doesn't. Credit cards for illegal aliens.

Reply by Bonnie_CO on 3/1/07 1:20pm
Msg #177737

LOL!

I don't understand how a bank can NOT require an ID. That is so weird! And also, you are right that signing agents usually handle collaterized deals.
I'm just waiting to see what happens next in this "saga".
Have a good one!

Reply by jojo_MN on 3/1/07 1:21pm
Msg #177738

Unfortunately, most "regular" notaries don't have any idea

what the notary laws are. If someone has training, it is usually to be a nsa. I have never had one notary ask me for identification. Whoever notarized it probably didn't know he or she couldn't do it.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 1:43pm
Msg #177740

Re: Being a Notary comes first

*Whoever notarized it probably didn't know he or she couldn't do it.*

Sorry, ignorance is not acceptable!

Whether or not there was mention of $1,500 in the paper (that was notarized) handing over a 5-month baby, when approached with something similar, just a little common sense should come into play and a red flag immediately risen that shouts "hey, this might require a lawyer."

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 3/1/07 1:56pm
Msg #177741

Re: Sorry

The mother of the baby was arrested and charged with "trafficking" a baby. Man that paid $1,500 for baby claims that he just made a loan to the mother so she could get on her feet -- although she used the money as a down payment on an automobile. If someone was in such dire need for money, an automobile would not be my first purchase.

In all the loans I've gotten, I've never had to relinquish a family member to the Grantor. Further, as a Notary, you are not required to notarize every document that comes before you.

Reply by ewing2surf on 3/1/07 6:25pm
Msg #177790

Re: Could have been a regular notary also

I'm a regular notary. I would have use a jurat stamp right above the diaper and signed and dated it with a sharpee.

Reply by Teddog/CO on 3/2/07 7:17am
Msg #177866

Regular notary ?

It sure was what you are calling a Regular Notary. Geezzz Angeluis Funeral Services no less.
No doubt about it , you better know what you are "slapping" that stamp on. I'm laughing to myself thinking about all the times I've heard "You're just a Notary. How hard can that be." How many times we all have responded with "You better know what you're doing and know your state laws inside out." You can go to jail !