Posted by ToniK on 11/4/07 10:59am
Msg #219652

Re: notary beware chatter

Since I wasnt on here to respond back to some of the "ignorant" post such as this:

Sue/pa vomited:

"I really wish you people would quit playing in this business. You have stated you haev some type degree in spying or espionage or whatever and are also going to open a consignment shop or something along those lines. Please go back to one of these other endeavors."

All I did was post something I got in an email from a Linda or something from Notary beware. I did not write this post. Maybe you should ask before you speak...oh and go suck an egg!

And for those who will say "why cant you just send this in a pm" what for when nothing in a pm will be private. I see too many times people talking about what was said in a pm. So her comment was made in the open and so is mine!

Reply by LKT/CA on 11/4/07 2:25pm
Msg #219656

Re: notary beware chatter

The old notaries on this forum have a smug, holier-than-though, self-righteous attitude which they falsely believe entitles them to berate, bash and make snide remarks to and about new notaries and the ideas they are presenting....how QUICKLY they forget that THEY were once "newbies" themselves. If something is posted and someone disagrees...a simple reply with relevant points is all that is necessary. Instead, they resort to these ridiculous personal attacks that do absolutely NOTHING to validate their point. Then they stroke, coddle and "high five" each other for not having made any point at all. "Oh, so and so, I agree with you..and you and you!!" LAUGHABLE !!!

They act like their **** doesn't stink! Connect with people who have intelligent and mature responses to offer you and ignore the rest. Seems to be lacking here. Just watch....when a person has nothing of value to offer in response to your post, they'll demonstrate their IQ level (or lack thereof) by nitpicking at and pointing out spelling bloopers or grammatical errors and the like....no valid dialogue....just silly retorts...

Have a great day!! I know I will :-)

Reply by Loretta Reed on 11/4/07 2:39pm
Msg #219657

Re: notary beware chatter

Can't we get past this and not rehash the same thing.

I am against government control and every notary is an independent contractor. No one should even even think that it is good to have Uncle Sam tell us how to run our business.

I don't believe that the majority of us "old notaries" are what you say we are. I have been in this business almost 12 years and have learned by trial and error. Most of us are intelligent and I personally have made over $100k every year. I would hope that some would value my opinion or stay on the welfare cheese.

Reply by LKT/CA on 11/4/07 3:32pm
Msg #219659

Re: notary beware chatter

No one is rehashing anything. You want to get past addressing how newbies are treated. My post was solely in response to replies to ToniK where notaries were putting down newbies for their opinion or what they post. I get SICK of reading, "you newbies have no clue and you just have commission and a stamp, and .....yada, yada, yada" Newbies have to learn like everyone else, through trial and error and bad mouthing and personally attacking them doesn't help them learn anything. No one rec'vd their commission and then had loads of experience the next day. It took time to learn, grow and experience their craft.

You stated your view....that notaries are independent contractors so no gov't involvement necessary. That's all that's needed....a rebuttal to a someone's view stated with FACTS and reasoning and without snide remarks, put-downs and silly quips. As to what someone should or should not "THINK"...that is outside of anyone's control what someone else "thinks".

With 12 years experience, you do have much wisdom and advice to offer but if your advice MUST be laced with sarcasm and snottiness, it's worthless and invalidates your entire rebuttal. What point does the "welfare cheese" comment make? (That was rhetorical).

I just hope the old notaries on this board remember where they came from and learn to behave more respectfully. Most people prefer to respond to another's views, facts and intelligent thought, not their childishness, immaturity and personal attacks.

Reply by ToniK on 11/4/07 3:32pm
Msg #219660

Re: notary beware chatter

Im not and have not even entered into any discussion on any legislation. As far as Im concern, Im too new to fully engage in a conversation on that. Im not all for big government either way.

But when you post something and someone feels the need to attack you personally (as this is the whole reason for this post) doesnt even make sense nor go with the topic. For those who do that you just need to stay on topic or STFU (I'm tired of playing nice). So before you respond on a person you need to at least have your facts straight sweety and know what the hell you are talking about (not directed at Loretta).

Criminal Justice and spying/espionage is no way similar. How she got that just shows her ignorance on who I am or what I am.

Ignorant people attack the person rather than the issue.

Reply by LKT/CA on 11/4/07 3:43pm
Msg #219664

Re: notary beware chatter

"Ignorant people attack the person not the issue."

THANK YOU !!! Well spoken !!

Reply by Loretta Reed on 11/4/07 9:11pm
Msg #219694

Re: notary beware chatter

When I am making a statement and it is not directed to anyone in particular, I always add my favorite "JMHO" and opinions are like butts, everyone has one. That way, I am somewhat protected from the "meanies". STFU is not something I use but it sounds pretty darn good and I will start using that when I text my kids when they are nagging me about something. J/K

Reply by Charles_Ca on 11/4/07 3:19pm
Msg #219658

So why don't you follow your own advice, and Toni

I think that if you had made it a little clearer that the messge was a quote from an e-mail that you received most of the comments would never have been made.

LTK you make the statement that ..."a simple reply with relevant points is all that is necessary" and yet you go on and on decrying all the unfairness of it all. You probably used as much storage space in your apparent need to slam notaries on this site who suport this site (are you a paying member?) as all the negatives put together.

As far as having a great day, my guess is that you can't because you have to spend it with yourself!

Reply by LKT/CA on 11/4/07 3:36pm
Msg #219661

Re: So why don't you follow your own advice, and Toni

Thank you. You make my point EXACTLY !!

Reply by jba/fl on 11/4/07 3:36pm
Msg #219662

LKT/CA: ok, you got the last word, now let it go. n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 11/4/07 8:02pm
Msg #219688

What a child, ROTFLMAO n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 11/4/07 8:03pm
Msg #219689

Re: What a child, ROTFLMAO that was 4 Little Too Kute! n/m

Reply by ToniK on 11/4/07 3:37pm
Msg #219663

Re: So why don't you follow your own advice, and Toni

Yes maybe I should have made that clear but the personal attack was uncalled for.

But next time I post something, if I do, then I will make sure to make my opinion or comment very clear and seperate from the quote and cite my source and include the reference notes!

Thanks everyone have a great day!

Reply by sue_pa on 11/4/07 6:26pm
Msg #219682

Re: notary beware chatter

...The old notaries on this forum have a smug, holier-than-though, self-righteous attitude which they falsely believe entitles them to berate, bash and make snide remarks to and about new notaries ...

no, what drives us (or at least me) crazy is people who are new to this business coming in and trying to change things that WILL NOT change. People who cannot grasp that we are a very small, totally dispensible piece of the lending business.

Reply by sue_pa on 11/4/07 6:18pm
Msg #219681

Re: notary beware chatter

Well Toni - you made the post - no mention of any Linda or Notary Beware so why in the world wouldn't we think it was your thought? Ask first? Each and every time someone posts something STUPID we are to ask if it was their thought or someone elses? Alrighty then.

As for your other jobs, you posted them previously - I took note although I didn't take notes and didn't go back to find what you exactly said - seems you played it up a bit more than criminal justice - always in the back of my mind when I read about people with other jobs who are playing at this one.

As for the next poster - once again, no, we were not all 'newbies' at one time or another. A perfect example of people with no background in this business and not knowing anything other than their little 'signing agent' portion is Renee's post about certifying a mortgage copy - seems most who responded didn't absorb someone with practical, hands on experience had to say.

So Toni - I redact my post to you and redirect the exact same post to whoever actually thinks legislation will be an answer to their pesky little collection problems - should legislation ever happen, the collection problems won't be an issue because we will cease to exist.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 11/4/07 8:06pm
Msg #219690

Well stated Sue! n/m

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 8:51pm
Msg #219693

Re: Notary Beware......

You were a Newbies once:

No, there are many, that respond, that were not “new” to the industry when they started offering their notary service for loan signings . They have a background in the R.E. or loan industry and many years as a notary on the job.

There's no obligation made by members on this site to further you along in your venture.

There are qualified individuals on this forum to handle most any loan pkg. They know the business. They did not send out messages, as some phone calls/emails I receive, “I'm 'thinking about becoming' a signing agent, any suggestions?”

Yes, I do have suggestions.... if you want to know the loan business..... Go to an employment agency and request a job in real estate banking, real estate co, mortgage company or title company. There will not be any better training. You can surf the web for the magic but I can tell you it's not there.

Other than that, you need to know how to be a notary public. I for one, have seen this to be the biggest problem for me when I send docs out. I don't send docs via email because I know who might be out there waiting on them.

And just to let you know, the business is so bad right now, that I have devoted my evenings and weekends to loan assignments to try and recoup my income loss in the title business. And now, this job is almost nonexistance due to the influx of “signing agents' who admit they know nothing, call themselves “newbies” , want advise, get po'd when it is not given politely.... and on top of all that ......and accept the $50. signings..... uuuuhh (please don't reply that no one will state their fee.... it is in this forum and you will find it if you search)

I don't understand accepting a lower fee because you are new to the industry. You should charge the same as anyone else. Accepting the lower fee creates a standard..... don't do it (please). If I got a quote of $50 for sending docs out or someone accepted $50..... I would call someone else. That tells me they know nothing or have zero confidence in themselves.... and that's the last thing I need.

You want to accept a small salary/pay until you learn the business? Go work in the industry by the hour or salary...... you will make more than you make at $50. an assignment... any you might enjoy it

This is sincere advise. Nothing negative.

Reply by BrendaTx on 11/4/07 9:40pm
Msg #219697

Very, very good advice, JK.

Learning the business on the inside is the only way to get the whole picture.

Reply by MikeC/NY on 11/4/07 9:19pm
Msg #219696

In Toni's defense...

<<Well Toni - you made the post - no mention of any Linda or Notary Beware so why in the world wouldn't we think it was your thought? Ask first? Each and every time someone posts something STUPID we are to ask if it was their thought or someone elses? Alrighty then.>>

The fact that there were quotation marks surrounding the entire post made it clear to me that she was quoting someone else. I agree that she could have made it clearer with a preface along the lines of "I just received this in an email", but if you go back and look at the original message, you'll see the quote marks and realize that it's not her words.

I think what happens here occasionally is "ready... fire... aim"; maybe we should try to get away from that? I've just gone through an exchange with someone who tried to twist my words to fit his argument, and then dismissed me by saying "I'm done" - as if that would prove he was right. What the heck is that? Maybe we should actually READ what others are posting and try to understand the post before reacting to it?

Reply by MichiganAl on 11/4/07 9:48pm
Msg #219698

Hey, great points. And furthermore...

Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to take things personally when someone disagrees with us. And maybe we should let things go and not keep whining like little schoolgirls days later. I mean, what the heck is THAT about? And maybe we should all learn to understand our own manuals inside and out instead of complaining that we were all newbies once. And maybe we should learn to understand the different between having our words twisted and having our words copied and pasted verbatim. Ahh, in a perfect world...

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 9:53pm
Msg #219699

Re: In Toni's defense...this is tiring.......

NO ONE hit Toni w/their reply.... they hit the post. If they said you/they/it/whatever... they replied to the post.

As I see it.............. everyone replied to bringing in the goverment... and if you/me/they/anyone searches the past post you/me/they/anyone will see this topic is recurirng.......now, if Toni/you/me/anyone else is in favor of backing...... bringing in the government, then, yes, it is directed to Toni/you/me/anyone.

This whining, pissing and moaning is nonproductive...

Hummmm.... now I think I see how loan pkg's go from a reasonable 60 pages to 200 pages.

Gotta please everyone........... again.... I'm being Sincere, nothing negative.

Reply by ToniK on 11/4/07 10:30pm
Msg #219700

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This message has been deleted by a forum moderator.

Reason: Generally Inappropriate

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 10:37pm
Msg #219702

Re: notary beware chatter

You need to get over yourself...........NOW you are playing this site which to me, is unacceptable.

I looked for futher discussion on government....l.. but it's about you!?

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 10:49pm
Msg #219705

Re: notary beware chatter and...

just for my own heart.... I do not put you among the ones on the link you posted., your have no heart... you don't deserve a place there or here.........YOU NEED TO "GO AWAY" ... goosh. you make sick.

Reply by Teresa Kutz on 11/4/07 10:38pm
Msg #219704

Re: That link was crude and just plain WRONG!!!

What is the matter with you???????

Reply by Alicia Stidham on 11/4/07 10:50pm
Msg #219706

Loretta

I was on welfare for 7 months because my husband was "locked out" of his job. Once he was employed again, I started doing this to try to help build our savings back up. The welfare department no longer gives out cheese!

Reply by MichiganAl on 11/4/07 10:56pm
Msg #219708

I think your link says everything about you we need to know

Once again, someone's own words and deeds say it all.

Reply by Alicia Stidham on 11/4/07 11:08pm
Msg #219710

Re: I think your link says everything about you we need to know

youve been pm'd

Reply by MichiganAl on 11/4/07 11:21pm
Msg #219713

Back at ya n/m

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 11:17pm
Msg #219712

Re: I think your link says everything about you we need to know

Ok............ Now, I think it would be appropriate to call someone "STUPID"..... Hey, when you work hard enough for it........ it will happen! To bad that energy was not put to something productive............ but I guess you ARE WHAT YOU ARE !! I'm just thankful she is out of the notary signing agent choices for everyone.

Reply by KBLedgard_CA on 11/4/07 11:13pm
Msg #219711

Re: notary beware chatter

Your one sick MF to post that!!!!! You obviously don't care if you offend anyone.

Reply by Alicia Stidham on 11/4/07 11:24pm
Msg #219714

Re: notary beware chatter

Aww Thank You! I am not ashamed of what my family has been through. 14 months of hubby being unemployed was very hard on us especially while expecting surprise baby #3. WE are both college educated, me just a 2 yr him a Masters in Electronics. It made us stronger while we watched our friends and his fellow co workers lose their cars, then their homes and even their spouses. So what I/WE were on the WELFARE. I used it for the true reason it was designed. It was temporary help, not a way of life. I dont mind some peoples personal attacks, at least he is leaving someone else alone!

Reply by Alicia Stidham on 11/4/07 11:29pm
Msg #219716

I'm out

yes Alex... i get it.. and others around that. whew.. you really had me ????? anyways continue on!!

Reply by JK/TX on 11/4/07 11:37pm
Msg #219717

tonik of va mess 219700 aka Antoinette kitchen dumfries VA

see post 219700

you decide.

Reply by Loretta Reed on 11/5/07 6:22am
Msg #219730

Re: notary beware chatter

I pm'd you. I was a single parent for about 4 years. I got the AFDC check and the WIC food. I know all about it. My husband was involved in a car accident and was in Shock Trauma in Baltimore and then bedridden for months.

My statement was that we can learn and become more productive or we can stay at the bottom of the totem pole and get that goverment help, where they can really keep their finger on us.

Reply by Loretta Reed on 11/5/07 6:18am
Msg #219729

Let's see if there are any parents that have children

with Downs Syndrome on this site, see if they think that link is funny.

This got out of line and out of context. I hope you never have a child with special needs, ToniK.

Reply by BrendaTx on 11/5/07 6:31am
Msg #219731

My cousin's child, Clint, aka "Tiger" - 1988-1993 Down's

Syndrome. He was a winner in Special Olympics when he was four and five years old...until he died after open heart surgery.

Anyone else care to mention a special child to let Toni know how difficult that picture was to see?

Sorry for the melodrama, but that was so inappropriate. Sensitivity training might help.