Posted by The Notary National Signers on 8/4/08 10:48pm
Msg #258532

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Reason: Advertising

Reply by JohnR/CA on 8/4/08 11:08pm
Msg #258533

This isn't a request for feedback....

This is blatent self promotion and should be removed!!!

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/4/08 11:29pm
Msg #258536

didn't Harry perm ban a ss for constantly advertising? n/m

Reply by GA/Atty on 8/4/08 11:50pm
Msg #258537

Expand to Georgia! n/m

Reply by rengel/CA on 8/5/08 12:05am
Msg #258538

Stay in So. Cal

and away from NorCal, we don't want you

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/5/08 12:20am
Msg #258539

Gee, thanks! n/m

Reply by John_NorCal on 8/5/08 12:39am
Msg #258544

Maybe he could concentrate around Boron, I hear that's a

real thriving market :-)

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/5/08 12:24am
Msg #258540

Re: Feedback requested from left coast notaries

"...all I read about is non-paying SS's out there."

There are many good ones, just no reason to post complaints about them. AND apparently a batch of notaries with smart enough business minds to not give away their best clients (of the ss species...)

And we've discussed your pay ad nauseum!

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 8/5/08 6:27am
Msg #258548

Response to Janet

Yes, you should not divulge your good clients. That is why you never read anything posted about us. And the key to your response is "You Pay."
All of my notaries are happy with the way NNS does business. We have a complete database and don't really need any more NSA's. I just want feedback on the need for a good SS out there. Some say self-promotion. Why? The only self-promotion we have to do is to TC's. If we decide to move up our dates for the WC, it will benefit the NSA's that have been with us. I am not trying to recruit more.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/5/08 6:33am
Msg #258549

Re: Response to Janet

**All of my notaries are happy with the way NNS does business. We have a complete database and don't really need any more NSA's. >>I just want feedback on the need for a good SS out there.<<**

I think there are plenty of good SSs out there. There's no need for another. Will you now take that feedback and stop asking?

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 8/5/08 7:29am
Msg #258550

Re: Response to Brenda

I realize there are alot of NSA's that don't like the concept of a SS. But SS's are a big part of this business and always will be. There are good and bad with each one. NSA's decide who they work for. I just asked a simple question to guage the need out west. To alot of NSA's, knowing you will get paid and paid fast is a big plus. For others, it doesn't matter. I am not asking anyone to work for us. NNS is targeting each state and we have our timetables. It was a simple question for those already in our database. If alot are unhappy with the SS's out there, we would change our timetables.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/5/08 7:34am
Msg #258551

Re: Response to NNS - you got your feedback

**I realize there are alot of NSA's that don't like the concept of a SS. **

No one in this thread said anything of the kind. I said there are plenty of good SSs. You have your feedback. Relax and take heed.

You don't respond well to social subtleties do you? Let me explain.

People are not saying they do not like the concept of the SS in this thread. They are saying they are annoyed with your repeated posts about the same ol', same ol' stuff.

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 8/5/08 7:41am
Msg #258553

Re: Response to NNS - you got your feedback

Point taken. Thank you.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/5/08 7:37am
Msg #258552

a simple question for those already in our database?

<<<a simple question for those already in our database>>>

IF that were true, you would pose your simple question directly to the people already in your data base.

<<<If alot are unhappy with the SS's out there, we would change our timetables.>>>

Alot are not unhappy with the timetables, but the fees. Would you change your fees?

Bob, you're full of malarkey. You are advertising, pure and simple.

Reply by GA/Atty on 8/5/08 8:11am
Msg #258559

When you say this is advertising, do you mean that he is

hoping title companies will be reading these forums hoping to find a good SS to use? If that is the case, I can see how it would be a violation of the advertising policy.

On the other hand, if you mean he is hoping NSAs will sign on with his company, then I don't think that constitutes a prohibited advertisement as described in the Rules & Regs. After all, he isn't marketing his products or services for sale.

I for one would love to see more signing services or title companies post here to recruit NSAs. That is not the kind of advertising that should be prohibited here; rather, it should be welcomed.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/5/08 9:18am
Msg #258568

Re: When you say this is advertising, do you mean that he is

**That is not the kind of advertising that should be prohibited here; rather, it should be welcomed.**

Ga. Atty., Clearly, you are an honest soul without an eye constantly on the forums to figure out how to con people if your current endeavors do not pan out. You don't think like an guerrilla marketing-internet entrepreneur...but many who visit these boards do? The "questions" asked are often not the questions that need to be answered. Consider the ads on TV about "work from home!". Those are not designed to respond to home workers with home employment, but to develop huge mailing lists to sell with the names of "opportunity seekers' on them.

Harry has no way to assure that the people who post as “SSs” are signing services, or Amway recruiters…or spammers.

If you follow the rules this forum was set up with things work perfectly on this board.

Start bending rules and this will no longer be a community but daily-spam board.

The types like NNS build their databases off of the work of NR and then they can do whatever they want to with the database they have stolen from NR. There’s a big network of SSs who did exactly that....

Reply by MW/VA on 8/5/08 10:44am
Msg #258577

Re: When you say this is advertising, do you mean that he is

I tend to agree with this line of thinking. If we have Signing Central, where we rate ss & post comments, why not allow them equal opportunity. Again, this is a general comment, not directed at one company or individual. I still maintain that we are one the same side--trying to keep the NSA profession alive and prospering. For those who choose not to work with ss--fine. Others are desperate for work these days, and will welcome any opportunity to increase their business. I'm for allowing it, and don't understand the negative reactions.

Reply by Doris_CO on 8/5/08 9:56pm
Msg #258736

Re: When you say this is advertising, do you mean that he is

"On the other hand, if you mean he is hoping NSAs will sign on with his company, then I don't think that constitutes a prohibited advertisement as described in the Rules & Regs. After all, he isn't marketing his products or services for sale."

"I for one would love to see more signing services or title companies post here to recruit NSAs. That is not the kind of advertising that should be prohibited here; rather, it should be welcomed."

GA/Atty I have to disagree. I pay to have my name listed on this site and if this SS or any other SS does as you suggest then it will surely cut into Harry's business. Why pay to advertise when I can just browse through the messages for those SS's that are looking for notaries but too lazy to go to the "Find a Notary" site or, as Brenda/TX said, trying to build up their data base at Harry's expense.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/6/08 2:10am
Msg #258773

Since he's building a database from Notrot notaries from his

free advertising on this forum, who's to say he isn't marketing that database to other scam notary listing companies? There's a lot of money to be made in sell email lists to spammers. Why do you think we aren't supposed to talk about the numeric notary company on this forum? Why should he be treated any differently?

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/5/08 1:30pm
Msg #258618

Actually SS are rapidly becoming a smaller part of the biz!

As more and more of them bite the dust. Of all the parts of the closing chain SS are most useless!

Reply by LynnNC on 8/5/08 1:58pm
Msg #258638

NNS - You don't get it...

...Brenda was right when she wrote, "You don't respond well to social subtleties do you?"

You keep making positive comments about your company and how you do business...can't you tell no one is buying it and show their annoyance in their responses? Why don't you just quit trying? If you want to post, do it about something the others are interested in.

Reply by Les_CO on 8/5/08 10:02am
Msg #258570

Re: Response to Janet

I thought a week ago or so you said you were going to ask all the (many) notaries that had worked for you to post something here reflecting your merit? So far we've only heard form one anonymous soul.

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 8/5/08 10:19am
Msg #258572

Re: Response to Les

You are absolutely right. I apologize, we were too slammed last week. I will start asking notaries to post today. They will be asked only to post their opinions wheather it be good or bad. We value all the feedback because the only way to fix something is to know about it. Thank you for reminding me.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/5/08 1:33pm
Msg #258620

Sounds like institutionalized shilling to me! n/m

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/6/08 12:05am
Msg #258766

Please don't!!

I think your point has been made. Here is my sincere, honest opinion about the subject: Everyone is going to make their own determination as to whether or not they want to work for you, as they should. The more you keep bringing up the subject of whether or not you are one of the good guys, the worse you look to most of us.

I suggest you let your actions speak for themselves. The best way to improve your reputation on this board, imo, is to add value on topics related to things other than talk about yourself or your company. There are few people (maybe just a dozen or so) who post on this board whose opinion matters to me. If someone from whom I have heard very little in the past posts a positive comment on this board, most of us are going to automatically dismiss it as meaningless. It comes across as just more self promotion. If you are as good as you profess to be, none of that should be necessary.

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/5/08 11:01am
Msg #258579

Re: Response to Les

thx les... now we will be bombarded by made up people giving him MORE free advertising

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 8/5/08 11:17am
Msg #258583

Re: Response to Zee

I don't know what type of people you normally deal with, but I definitely don't do business that way. What would be the point of that? I do business the old fashioned way. As I've said before, my word is my bond. Find someone who can say different.

Reply by Calnotary on 8/5/08 11:24am
Msg #258586

Re: Response to Zee

I think Harry should have some type of program that if you get let's say 50 or 75 complains from the rest of the posters that you should be banned from posting. I will vote to have this NNS guy out of the forum. Of course this is just my opinion. This guys keeps saying how good his company is and Lisa is telling us that it is ok to take a lower fee.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/5/08 1:35pm
Msg #258622

Now that is as fine a pile of bovine excrement as I've seen

By your incessant, self-serving posting you are doing business "THAT" way

Reply by Les_CO on 8/5/08 2:51pm
Msg #258661

Re: Response to Les

Come on Zee...I want to hear from some here (preferably paying memders) that have worked for him. We could both be surprised. I have seen many here that say they don't work for less than $xxx.xx, but many many post about the recent Mercury/LFC melt down, and about their $50-$75 checks bouncing.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/5/08 11:21am
Msg #258585

I'm gratified to see NR is not asleep at the wheel

and is deleting this propaganda.

Take a clue, Bob. It is apparently against someone's rules...and no...it wasn't I that reported it.

Reply by JohnR/CA on 8/5/08 11:36am
Msg #258588

Self gratification....

How does your head make it through the door Mr. NNS - With all of the self touting and back slapping how do you have time to work...seeing that you are "slammed" and all???