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Posted by Jack Tri on 8/24/08 5:48pm
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Reply by MW/VA on 8/24/08 5:50pm
Msg #261603

Re: Obama Mocking our Bible???

wrong place--should be posted in "Just Politics".

Reply by Jack Tri on 8/24/08 5:50pm
Msg #261604

Re: Obama Mocking our Bible???

sorry political post..not work Frown is in just politics now

Reply by Carmen/123 on 8/24/08 6:23pm
Msg #261608

Re: Obama Mocking our Bible???

Jack Tri you should do a little more research before you post things. This was taken out of context. I have posted what he was actually saying below.

"While I’ve already laid out some of the work that progressive leaders need to do, I want to talk a little bit about what conservative leaders need to do — some truths they need to acknowledge.

For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn’t the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn’t want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.

Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson’s, or Al Sharpton’s? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let’s read our bibles. Folks haven’t been reading their bibles.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."

Carmen



Reply by BrendaTx on 8/24/08 6:30pm
Msg #261610

Hey Carmen...probably ought to move it over to

the politics forum.

Reply by Carmen/123 on 8/24/08 6:32pm
Msg #261611

Re: Hey Carmen...probably ought to move it over to

Since he posted it here I wanted to reply here. Hopefully Harry will move it. I know it is inappropriate here.

C

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/24/08 6:34pm
Msg #261612

He moved it to the politics forum after it was brought to

his attention. It's over there.

Reply by Lisa Prestegard on 8/24/08 6:34pm
Msg #261613

Can Harry close this thread? n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/24/08 6:35pm
Msg #261614

Yep...jack apologized and moved it but...here we go. n/m

Reply by SharonH/OH on 8/24/08 7:19pm
Msg #261618

Re: Obama Mocking our Bible???

Thank you, Carmen, for posting the clarification here. You did the right thing.


 
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