Posted by MistarellaFL on 8/15/08 2:15pm
Msg #260209

Msg #260202

Another genius operating a SS.
UNVBELEIVABLE!!!!!

Reply by Tess on 8/15/08 2:55pm
Msg #260222

OMG! - Did you you ask Harry to remove that post? n/m

Reply by Tess on 8/15/08 3:04pm
Msg #260224

Grrr! Did you ask.... n/m

Reply by Encarnacion-Kilgore - Steve on 8/15/08 3:13pm
Msg #260226

Re: Grrr! Did you ask....

Just wanted to post something in the Rules and Guidelines section for this website. We followed this as someone was bashing my company and our reputation with no proof. We provided proof that what was said was not true. The information regarding the borrower was not meant to have been posted, and that was an accident and should have been blanked out. We are trying to get that corrected asap, but we obviously do not take kindly to name calling as we have never done that with any of our notaries and treat them with the utmost respect.

***Please keep off-topic posts to a minimum and avoid topics that others may consider offensive, such as politics and religion. Under no circumstance should the forum be used to further a political, ideological or religious agenda; these topics have nothing to do with the inherent neutrality of notarial functions and our board is therefore not an appropriate venue for them.

Do not personally attack, insult or degrade other users or companies. If you are going to bash a company's reputation, be prepared to provide concrete and substantial proof of your allegation. If you are going to confront another user or dispute a post, do so on a rational and constructive basis with the facts in hand. Debate is always healthy.***

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/15/08 3:13pm
Msg #260227

OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

parties have been contacted how he respects the bo privacy (NOT!) and discusses what he did including ALL the info

he is much worse than a MOMO

Reply by Encarnacion-Kilgore - Steve on 8/15/08 3:22pm
Msg #260228

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

Is anyone reading the posting that I was responding to? I'm trying to be as professional as possible, but it's hard to be when we're getting called every name in the book. We have requested through the Notary Rotary customer service IT department that the borrower's information be deleted from the posting as that was an oversight on our part to post that information. We were simply trying to defend ourselves from someone saying that we never sent them a confirmation. How that is unprofessional or has an attitude is beyond us. Please stop the name calling and if anyone has an issue with us, please feel free to call us and we can discuss it professionally. 760-788-3800

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/15/08 3:28pm
Msg #260229

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

"Is anyone reading the posting that I was responding to? I'm trying to be as professional as possible"

still trying to figger out how you were being "as professional as possible" when you acted so ignorantly and instead of manning up to your error you attack us for being so shocked at not only your posting but your cavelier attitude.................

jmo.......

Reply by Encarnacion-Kilgore - Steve on 8/15/08 3:33pm
Msg #260230

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

I'm trying to figure out what error we made? Please advise which error that was. That's why we provided proof that we did send the notary confirmation. I am completely open to discussing what we did incorrectly and will gladly man up to the error if someone can explain what we did wrong.

Reply by Glenn Strickler on 8/15/08 3:49pm
Msg #260234

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

I would have called the notary that made the post to see if I could smooth out the situation without trying to "defend my honor" by making a public posting on this board. If I were the borrower, I would be on the phone to my attorney to see what we could sue for. That was private information entrusted to you to keep it private. You violated that BO's privacy. If you do indeed run a good business, there is no need to respond to attacks on the board. The notaries who have had good experiences working with you will do it for you. Just search the posts over the months.

I almost never respond to strings like this, but that violation of private information got my attention.

Reply by SunsetSignin on 8/15/08 4:39pm
Msg #260248

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

Thank you for your response, and we immediately requested that the borrower's information be deleted which it was done. We repeatedly tried to email the notary with no response after the closing as we wanted everything in writing at that point. We certainly will not be responding to these postings any longer as they take up too much time and they are not objectively read.

Reply by Glenn Strickler on 8/15/08 5:15pm
Msg #260255

Call, meaning using the land line ....

Email is too impersonal to fix an issue .... I only check my email a couple times a day unless I am expecting something. I always answer my phone unless I am in the middle of something.

JMHO

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/15/08 7:55pm
Msg #260270

Re: OMFG... I cannot believe him or his attitude.... I hope all

Let it go
you will not get an answer that will make sense to you.

Reply by Encarnacion-Kilgore - Steve on 8/15/08 3:45pm
Msg #260233

The Notary Rotary IT Department has complied with our request to remove the borrower's personal information from our posting. I want to make it clear that it was an inadvertent mistake on our part to post that part of the confirmation we sent. If there are any other issues with our posting, we would like to hear them but please stop the name-calling as we have the right to defend ourselves when we feel inaccurate information has been put out there and we never will resort to name-calling. We hope everyone has a great weekend.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/15/08 5:40pm
Msg #260259

This is the basic problem with Signing Services and TCs need

to realize that they are dealing with fire. The SS has no requirements for background checks, for maintaining writen procedures for compliance with GLB, Oxley Sarbanes or any other standard. Anyone including a felon can open a Signing Service and market themselves to TCs so that they can harvest BO information. Until there is a system in place to ensure that GLB is followed through the whole process (and I don't mean the NNA definition) there are glaring gaps in personal financial data security. There is NO excuse, none whatsoever, to divulge private personal information about an innocent third party and I hope that the borrower finds satisfaction against this breach of security any way they can!

Reply by Stamper_WI on 8/15/08 6:31pm
Msg #260262

Re: This is the basic problem with Signing Services and TCs need

You are right. Not all notary's live up to the standards. They tend to be the ones the many of the SS's hunt for. They are paying for what they get and so are those notaries.
The RESPA reform addresses this somewhat or at least makes the tc's think more about who is in the field with their loans.

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/15/08 7:52pm
Msg #260269

Re: This is the basic problem with Signing Services and TCs need

I would think there would be an easier way to steal borrowers personal information than to start a signing service. notaries are being prosecuted nationwide, and they all had back ground checks I would think

The internet offers abundant avenues for id theft.

I am sure I missed something in this blog, but if this signing service made the error of posting personal info, didnt NotRot take care of it?
did lots of time pass? I guess I am missing something.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/15/08 8:26pm
Msg #260271

Yes, the SS posted personal infomration, yes, NR took care

of it, yes some time passed. You are probably right about finding better ways of finding information but not all felons are lucky enought ot live in San Francisco where the City jsut dumps personal information in its trash.

Now let me ask you what back ground check have you and your staff had?

Do you have a written procedure for protecting sensitive infomation?

What do you do to safeguard sensitive information from being improperly disseminated?

What certifications, licenses, or permits do you have to be a signing service besides your regular civic business permits???

What penalties are you subject tofor misconduct besides civil court action?

What standards of conduct must you meet that aren't self imposed?

I suspect none of the above but I am sure that you will correct me if I'm wrong, hopefully with cites!

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 3:15am
Msg #260283

Re: Yes, the SS posted personal infomration, yes, NR took care

all very good questions
I do not think you’re on mark completely, as my company has approvals from TC that were earned.
I do have safeguards set in place, and we do have written policy.

But I will say, certainly not like what you Charles have to go through.
I understand your point, and its well taken.

You are right as in any field there are those that start and run business with wrong motives and agendas that are ethically wrong.
We do however, need to watch the reforms carefully
it could affect more than just signing companies.
it could put an end to mobile signings agents all together.
We recently become approved to be the signing company for a Texas group of title companies.
They were sued because a borrower and a notary got together and forged a spouses signature. In the end the Title Company who sent the docs overnight to the signing agent had to pay $156k in damages to the spouse. Because of this they were going to do away with signing agents and sign only in house.
Our company had to prove ourselves legitimate to gain their trust.
We had to have some standards to meet.

No special certifications, Licenses, or permits other than local permits, and the wonderful taxes each branch of government allows us to donate although they do not prove ligitamacy
but help show good faith that they want to be around a while.

We are held to more than self imposed standards as illegal business practices have more than civil ramifications attached to them

But those certifications you have to go through are way more stringent than ours granted

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/17/08 1:26pm
Msg #260387

I wojld have expected this from your company...

"I do not think you’re on mark completely, as my company has approvals from TC that were earned.
I do have safeguards set in place, and we do have written policy."

You have a good reputation in the field from what I hear. However there are signing services who decided last night that they would put up their shingle and see who reponds. Just like there are Notaries who don't bother to check out the field or do a business plan I know there are signing services with as little forethought and planning. They come and go out of business and take notaries fees withthem.

Reply by Lori/IN on 8/15/08 5:41pm
Msg #260260

Steve -I have a closing from 6/11/07 that you never paid me for. This is the last correspondence I have from you.
Dear Value Notary,

As you already know, the mortgage industry has been going through some pretty rough times lately. Every single one of my clients (10 of them) have closed their doors, and we are owed over $18,000 in closing invoices that honestly, I don't know if we will ever see. We had another $2,000 worth of checks bounce when we tried to cash them We have added some new clients, but the volume of business has gone down substantially.

Although we fully expect business to pick up again, we have no control over when that occurs. We have every intention of paying any notaries that have done any business for us, but it is very difficult to say when payment will occur at this time. We ask you to please be patient as we will certainly keep you up to date on when payment will go out, but please know that you will absolutely be paid by us no matter what it takes! When payment is sent out, we will email each one of you so you will know that the payment is on it's way. If you have any questions or concerns whatsoever, please feel free to contact us. We have been out of the office a lot lately trying to recruit new clients as that is the only way we're going to get back on our feet.

We are constantly looking for new clients, and if any of you know of any nationwide title companies or lenders that are still in business and are also still giving out loans, please send their information our way. If we receive a closing order that is in your area of coverage, we will absolutely send the business your way and you get the entire closing fee. Also, if there is a company that ends up giving us business, we will give you $10 per file for your referral for every closing we conduct for that company. We have forms that we will gladly sign stating the above information.

Thanks so much, and we look forward to sending you business from our new clients soon along with paying you for your past work.

Sunset Closing Services
Steve Encarnacion-Kilgore, Owner
22731 Tombill Road
Ramona, CA 92065
Phone (760) 788-3800 Cell (760) 317-0639 eFax (800) 879-2218
[e-mail address]
www.sunsetclosingservices.com

QUALITY ABOVE EVERYTHING!

Will I receive my check soon?

Reply by SunsetSignin on 8/16/08 10:24am
Msg #260304

Hi Lori,

My accounting department will be contacting you on Monday regarding this payment. It should have been taken care of quite a long time ago. Thank you so much for letting me know.

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/15/08 5:47pm
Msg #260261

Please see message #260256 above n/m

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/15/08 9:34pm
Msg #260274

ATTENTION URGENTLY NEEDED, HARRY

Unfortunately, I have just found another message where Steve Encarnacion-Kilgore has posted the borrower(s) name(s). This needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY. I have left a voice mail message for you but your office is closed. I am posting this in hopes it will be seen by you before Monday. I have also sent you a pm via the "contact us" link. If you are reading this message please contact me ASAP via phone or email so that I can give you the offending message number. I am attempting to exhaust every avenue I have available to contact you in order to get personal information regarding these innocent borrowers OFF the internet. Thank you.

Reply by Pat/IL on 8/16/08 1:13am
Msg #260281

Re: I might be a little slowwww

But I get the sense that they don't take kindly to signing services around here.

Give the guy a break... will you, ya frickin lynch mob?

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I have ever seen on any message board. A private message to the administrators of this site would have done a lot more to protect the privacy of the borrowers whom were accidentally revealed than publicly calling attention to the error.

If you are going to publicly trash a person and his business (which, in many cases is probably well deserved, and maybe in this case too) you ought to at least welcome the opportunity for self-defense - in the same thread, on the same mesage board.

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 2:53am
Msg #260282

your not slow wow

Thank you! that is how I felt after reading the whole thing, sure I missed something.
how many new posts did we need for this story, of a signing agent who got paid well, and on time. Just didnt like the way the company treated her.

in this case:this person / company was so fast in defending himself, that he posted borrowers info. NOT GOOD HOWEVER, (no more information than is found in your white pages or people search online for that matter) No social security numbers are found.
its not like a 1003 are being published here.

I have no idea about this signing service, but it was clear he wanted his story read, and its only fair to get both sides. No one seemed to give him one break or catch his point.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/16/08 6:36am
Msg #260290

Re: I might be a little slowwww - - a little long but...

**But I get the sense that they don't take kindly to signing services around here. Give the guy a break... will you, ya frickin lynch mob?**

Ha! You always make me smile, Pat.

When the SS owner/reader takes a look at this site they see "notary" branded clear as day on the forum. They can post their woes, but if they have a lick of sense they know that this forum is about "notaries" not about them (surprise) and that right or wrong, one wrong word will bring down the Wrath of the Notary on their head. Right or wrong, good or bad...this is a NOTARY forum, not a SS forum.

I know that is a step down for them if they've let the brokering of notary services cloud their thinking so that they cannot be objective enough to recognize this, however, this is the way of the internet forum. If they want to discuss *their* SS issues they need to create a SS forum where they can discuss notary "problems" until their heart's content.

Take for instance, the example of a low carb diet forum. It's labeled that for a reason. Like-minded low-carb people go there to discuss the low-carb diet lifestyle. Let a Low Fat/carb loving Weight Watcher infiltrate that board with WW Point "nonsense" and you can watch sparks fly for days on end. Literally...days and months. It's not about any method of losing weight. It is about losing weight on LOW CARB lifestyle. The WW interloper is seen as a troll because they are stirring up dissension and argument against the very thing that the board exists for.

Back to this forum. Visiting SS owners have a mentality that they help the notary by giving them business. Notaries have a mentality that the SS cuts into their fees by brokering their services with bigger and bigger cuts while charging the TCs less.

It's only common sense that a wide awake, sensible SS owner would understand this forum is extremely biased to see the *notary's* point of view and not be able to be empathetic to often "King Baby" middle man. Yet, they post anyhow...King Baby does...showing little common sense. I think they get what they ask for when they get the Notary Wrath after posting their SS issues here.

It's been a long time coming, but it's in the works...a means to facilitate distribution of work without the SS to get a cut for basically nothing except finding a notary. That's been one of the functions of NotaryRotary...creating a database of notaries so that SSs are not needed to find a phone number. They just don't get it that notaries are in direct competition with them. And they keep on trying to say "Red!" and notaries see that things are not red, or even pink. after all, they are definitely "Yellow" from their notary perspective.

When there was plenty of everything, things used to be politely blended to be "orange" but now it's flight or fight for the dollars that are left to be found. Smart notaries are working hard to make things more yellow and to stop the remnants of the Red Insanity.

I laugh when I see them reading and posting on this forum. I think it is hilarious. If business was so great in Red World they wouldn't have time for following this "Yellow Brick Road" of the lowly notary.

Reply by Philip Johnson on 8/16/08 8:09am
Msg #260297

Where was the urgency in June when the original

message started and why did it start again?

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/16/08 9:13am
Msg #260301

Re: Where was the urgency in June when the original

I have no idea, Philip.

I came on the board, as so many of us do, to vent about personal experience with a company I considered unprofessional in the way they had conducted business with me based on events of the previous day and the early morning hours of the original post. A few people responded and that was the end of it.

After receiving no overnighted docs or phone calls, I called the service and told them that based on what had happened thus far and their poor reputation in Signing Central, I had no interest in dealing with them any further and to get someone else.

They pleaded with me to stay on the case. I told them that I would have to have a written guarantee of payment before I would fool with them after the way I felt they had started this transaction off. We made a deal that I felt was acceptable to me for the degree of risk I took based on their proven track record in Signing Central of slow/non-payment.

I did the closing. I received a check in the mail a week later and was satisfied. I thought that was the end of the story.

Yesterday, when I came in from doing a closing, I received an email alerting me that they had posted a response which included the borrowers name, address and phone numbers.

I read the posting and responded to it. I saw no need to do any nit picking of the fine details of their posting except for being upset that they had published on this forum, which later proved to be not once, but twice, private information regarding the borrower(s).

Their main bone of contention seems to be that they say they sent a conformation email which I never received. They also made a big thing of saying they paid me. I never alleged that they hadn't.

What Steve did after 2 months speaks volumes and was as unprofessional, in my opinion, as the way they conducted business with me to begin with, prompting my original post.

I also felt that he misrepresented some facts yesterday, which phone records, for one thing, if it becomes necessary in a court of law, can certainly prove.

Additionally, I made every attempt to notify Harry of the second posting, which has now been deleted thanks to the quick response of NotRot staff.

That's all I know.

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/16/08 10:59am
Msg #260307

Re: Where was the urgency : It was dated 8/15 n/m

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/16/08 11:29am
Msg #260309

Re: Where was the urgency : It was dated 8/15

The ORIGINAL post was dated 6/17, and his response was 8/15 and contained the borrowers personal information.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/16/08 11:37am
Msg #260312

Her "Urgent " said she found another instance

I thought she meant a post other than the one discussed here...could be wrong, though..

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 11:50am
Msg #260313

NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE NUMBER

This is a public web site, anyone can join for free.
Meaning that if someone wanted personal information like that SS who posted a borrowers name, address and phone number.
it can be found right here
in FIND A NOTARY section.
you can find me, my name my phone number and my address
and I own the house.. wow.
are any of you worried about that?

Personal information that is worrisome to me would be my social security number, my DL number
my name and my address and phone number not a concern.

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/16/08 12:02pm
Msg #260316

LISA: -AM SURE THE TC WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU PUB'D IT ALL n/m

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 12:37pm
Msg #260322

what does that mean?

Zee, We have not ever published anything regarding a borrower and hope to never made this mistake. What a TC would love or not is not the issue

In Brenda post she mentioned the bias against the SS on this board, it does not have to be this way. A signing company can be a great tool for a SA. Thank goodness the majority know this.
We had a broker who refused to pay more than $125.00 per signing, they expected local pick and hand deliver for this price I called a signing agent who we are lucky enough to know, and gave him the whole account. There was no money to split!

Harrys office told me that SS can post on this site, most of the SS are also notaries and some even are SA.
I used to find it helpful to read what the concerns are, so that we made sure that our signing company avoided certain business practices.

This board is gotten so bitter against SS and how its pretty much a SS fault that the industry has faultered.

We all had warning signs this Industry would faulter, Charles was warning us all this for years now.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/17/08 2:09pm
Msg #260389

Re: what does that mean?

**This board is gotten so bitter against SS**

How so?

You're the notary's competition. Stating that doesn't mean it's bitterness. It's the truth.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/17/08 4:29pm
Msg #260403

No one faults any SS for the faultering in the industry

No, no one faults SS's for the industry meltdown. We fault the SS industry for the cheapening of the profession, in fees and quality of service. Almost every new TC client reports about their bad experience(s) with SS notaries.
Not that all SS notaries are bad or inexperienced, but I would guess the majority is...otherwise, why all the fax backs and phone calls?
They are either babysitters, or they completely ignore you.
Either they didn't catch the mistake the notary already faxed in, or they didn't bother checking the work faxed in, or the Tc screws up and blames the notary, and when the $hit hits the fan, then they drop their notaries like hotcakes.
And, on top of it all....they take a HUGE portion of the fee. And then to top it off....they don't have a financial backup plan in the event that a client goes out of business before payment.
And most don't have a good enough accounting system in place. There are lots of complaints from notaries regarding non-payment.
Take your pick...
Truth is, NSA's are a good tool for a SS, rather than the SS being a good tool for the NSA.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/17/08 5:06pm
Msg #260407

Re: No one faults any SS for the faultering in the industry

**Truth is, NSA's are a good tool for a SS, rather than the SS being a good tool for the NSA.**

And, the truth is that without the product of notary service there is no signing service.

Yet, there can certainly be notaries in business without signing services. Doesn't that tell the story that one business is dependent on the other? The notary isn't the dependent one...signing services are dependent on notaries.

That's fact, not my biased opinion.

Now...I could be wrong, but somehow methinks that signing services don't have the networking option that notaries do and they don't have a solid way to exchange contacts, ideas or anything new to offer a tightening industry.

In the words of often sarcastic Jerry Seinfeld in a very insincere tone, "Thaaat's ashame."

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/16/08 12:31pm
Msg #260321

Re: NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE NUMBER

But we all are listing BY CHOICE, not because someone posted it.
Do you not understand confidentiality?

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 12:42pm
Msg #260324

Re: NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE NUMBER

I can give you the definition if you would like.


His blunder, certainly didnt help him.
As everyone was so upset and freaked out about that, his msg was lost

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/16/08 1:31pm
Msg #260333

What message might that be?


His main issue seems to be attempting to prove to the notary community that he sent me a confirmation email. Big deal. I sincerely hope that proves to be worth the price he may pay in this matter.

Has anyone ever claimed they sent you a confirmation that you never received?

In his zeal to defend his ALREADY seriously tarnished reputation on this forum, he didn't bother to redact ANY personal information. This man posted not once, but TWICE on this forum, documents that clearly breached the confidentiality of the borrower(s). People get sued every DAY for this kind of negligence. Inadvertent? Once maybe, but TWICE?

Then we come to issue 2:
I never once said that this man didn't pay me, nor did I ever say it was late in arriving.

So, why was it necessary to post a payment confirmation on this forum which contained the borrower(s) name(s)? That is going WAY too far IMHO and more than crossed the line. As I have said at least twice now on this forum, I charged him a fee based on the transaction experience thus far, and based on his negative feedback in Signing Central which MORE than speaks for itself (my calculated degree of risk). That is my prerogative.

I can't attempt to speak for you, but MY business model dictates that I get paid for every closing I invest precious resources to do.

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/16/08 1:44pm
Msg #260336

Can we put this to bed now? Thanks!

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 1:47pm
Msg #260338

good night, sleep well :) n/m

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 1:45pm
Msg #260337

Dianne

I dont think you need to defend yourself further.
You made a statement on a company and your experiance.
You put your 2 cents in to the already negative feedback he had, because you felt you were treated badly. yes that is most certainly your perogative.

In answer there is not a week that goes by that a signing agent whom we have contracted to work with calls up and states, they received the docs, but no confirmation.
It happens.
the answer in almost all cases, it went directly into a spam, deleted or junk folder.
it depends on the security settings on the mail software.
This might of been the case with you, it might not of been.

It so happens that this guy made the error of posting borrowers info TWICE, and that in your view makes your point even more pointed.

I am sure everyone here who has been ripped off by non pay SS would love to have your story be theirs.
charged a good fee, and were paid.
Just didnt like the way it went down.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/16/08 12:39pm
Msg #260323

Lisa, your post makes no sense...

Posting borrowers' here or on any public forum is NEVER acceptable.....this thread is not discussing the posting of notary or company info - it's about the inadvertant posting of borrower information by a SS....maybe I missed something in your post - or maybe you didn't complete a thought...I'd rather think that than to think you condone posting borrower information..

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/16/08 12:49pm
Msg #260326

Linda

im sorry my post was not understandable, I am frustrated that the SS was unable to defend himself against someone, who was paid well, and on time.

We do take steps to protect the borrowers personal information, and when I saw what had happend crigned at his error. It was wrong that it happened, and I am certain was a total over site in his emotional plea to defend his company.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND I feel that was not good to state names, addy or phone number.
But those who are out there stealing identity, want different info than is found in a phone book.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/16/08 12:53pm
Msg #260327

THAT'S a little clearer...Gotcha!! n/m

Reply by Dianne Pickard on 8/16/08 12:28pm
Msg #260320

Re: Her "Urgent " said she found another instance

You read it correctly, Linda. There was a second post which has now been completely removed by NotRot staff.