Posted by Henry Davidson on 8/19/08 4:49pm
Msg #260682

People/Referrals.

If you have two closings at the same time do you refer that 2nd closing to a friend or do you simply decline the closing appt? If referred, do you get paid anything for that referral or do you hope they will market like you do and reciprocate the favor?

Reply by Pamela Hoyle on 8/19/08 5:07pm
Msg #260684

I refer someone who I know will do a good job and will reciprocate. My clients appreciate it and so does my good friend. Careful who you send them to...if they do a lousy job it may reflect on you...

Reply by BarbaraL_CA on 8/19/08 5:10pm
Msg #260685

If I can't take a signing I politely decline the signing and refer the caller to a few of my "network" notaries and do not take any percentage - it's just business and it comes around in time. I also refer them to 2 quality websites where they can find a notary. One, of course is NotRot.

Reply by LynnNC on 8/19/08 5:33pm
Msg #260687

If both closings are at, let's say at 7:00 PM, I will tell the title co. that "I can't handle it at 7, but I could at 8:30 PM". Often they will say call the borrower and see if it is OK...usually it is.

If I don't have time to handle the closing at all, I have two other NSA's to refer the title co. to that do a great job. One is Laurielnc who posts on this forum!

Reply by CopperheadVA on 8/19/08 5:35pm
Msg #260688

I refer out to notaries within my network if possible, but when I ask them about it later my notary friends usually say that they never even received the call!

Reply by WDMD on 8/19/08 6:08pm
Msg #260691

"If you have two closings at the same time do you refer that 2nd closing to a friend or do you simply decline the closing appt? If referred, do you get paid anything for that referral or do you hope they will market like you do and reciprocate the favor? "

If it's a low paying TC or SS that is calling when I'm already booked, I just decline and let them work a little bit for their fee by having to try and locate one on their own. If it's a fair fee company I try and help them out by referring to other reputable TPL's.

No, I don't ask for a referral fee for simply giving out another TPL's number when I'm booked. I don't have to hope they reciprocate, the ones I refer to have morals.

Reply by CF on 8/19/08 7:31pm
Msg #260708

I take it and work around the appointment times. If you "snooze you loose" in this business. If I did not "double book" I would harldy make any money when times are busy. Just the nature of the beast, as far as I am concerned. Borrowers are more than likely to not have a problem. If it was a purchase with all the powers that may be were there- then I would refer. I would never turn down an order over double booking it and working out the details later. JMHO and how I run my business.

Reply by 101livescan on 8/20/08 12:51am
Msg #260740

I'm with you CF, and I don't refer much out, unless I know it is someone who is on top of their game. Fewer and fewer people are in this signing space in my area these days. They have full time jobs and can't easily do day time signings.

Reply by Nomad/OR on 8/19/08 8:12pm
Msg #260710

If there was a network in my part of the woods

I would refer, but there isn't, so...
First come first serve.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/19/08 8:18pm
Msg #260712

I refer a lot of business.

No, I do not and I have never taken a referral fee.

If it is a good fee I want the other person to get the benefit of a good fee. If it's not, I wouldn't pass that off to a snake.

I am curious. Why do you want to know?

Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/19/08 8:45pm
Msg #260716

I'd love to hear the answer myself Brenda, but I suspect

that more and more Signing Services are on the horns of a dilemma (most people don't know the true definition of dilemma) and are trying to find out why their business is becoming more difficult than it historically has been for the last several years. I have seen only a couple of Signing Services on here but now Signing Services seem to have a lot of time on their hands and are trying to find out what notaries are doing as business declines. Consider it market research. I guess since the Signing Services don't really have a "secret" forum where they blackball notaries that this is their only access to the true mechanics in this business and the only way that they can find out what happens where the rubber hits the road.

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/19/08 10:13pm
Msg #260729

Why do you ask, Henry?

Is it because you have no other choice, but to compete directly with signing agents?
Please tell me why you feel that $75 is a fair fee for a closing with edocs. Please, tell us all how much you make by making phone calls, invoicing your client and writing a check to the poor slob notary that accepted your paltry fee. We are much more important to your business than you are to ours.

What's up, Henry...are you slow right now...just want to badger the folks that pay your mortgage?

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 8/27/08 10:49am
Msg #261978

are you around n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/27/08 12:05pm
Msg #262005

For Pete's sake Lisa...email or PM Henry.

We don't need to know that the two of you have anything to discuss.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/27/08 12:28pm
Msg #262010

Re: For Pete's sake Lisa...email or PM Henry.

Well, just knowing they have something to discuss speaks volumes to me.
They are prolly discussing "how-to" pass around the Kool-Aid.
Why don't they just go to the other boards, where Kool-Aid drinking is most acceptable?
I guess the best are here....but remember everyone....we are part of the premier web site for PROFESSIONAL NOTARIES. We don't have to accept those non-professional fees they are offering, and we don't have to respond to their trollish posts/responses.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/27/08 1:33pm
Msg #262026

Re: For Pete's sake Lisa...email or PM Henry.

**Why don't they just go to the other boards, where Kool-Aid drinking is most acceptable?**

Absolutely. There are other boards where it's just good to see SOMETHING being posted. The recent SS posters could go there and post about how great their SS is over and over and over again before anyone noticed or objected.

Some of those might even supply the Dixie cups.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/19/08 11:36pm
Msg #260736

What would you do if you had 18 closings between 3-5 pm....everyday?

You wouldn't book all those for yourself would you?

Do you "refer" those to friends? Most of them at least? Maybe take 2 of them and make 16 phone call giving away fees for nothing in return? Maybe. Maybe give out 16 phone numbers of others for free? Maybe?

Is this how you would do it or no? How would you handle that?

Thanks in advance for the comments...they are appreciated.

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/20/08 12:13am
Msg #260738

WHY DO SS KEEP COMING ON AND ASKING ALL THESE

QUESTIONS?

What are you trying to figure out? how to market? who to market to?

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/20/08 1:46am
Msg #260741

"What would you do if you had 18 closings between 3-5 pm....everyday?"

What would you do if a flock of winged monkeys flew out of your butt? That's more realistic than any one signing agent getting 18 calls for signings all within the same 2 hour window of time. It didn't happen 3 years ago and it SURE as heck isn't happening these days.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/20/08 4:01am
Msg #260746

OMG... ROFLMAO!!!

That is the longest I've laughed about anything on this board in a very long time - if not ever!! Funny on sooo many levels.... and all too true!!! Shoot! I crack up again every time I reread it! Now I've worn myself out and need to call it a night. A very good note to end a day on, though. Thanks for the entertainment! :>

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 6:12am
Msg #260751

Re: OMG... ROFLMAO!!!

I have a T-shirt with flying monkey stick figures on it that says, "It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys come out."

I always think of Cali when I wear it...that he'd extend that comment to indicate where the flying monkeys come from. It makes me smile.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 11:08am
Msg #260815

Re: OMG... ROFLMAO!!!

Your welcome...

Reply by cassiewi on 8/20/08 6:22am
Msg #260752

I have to tell you Cali

Even though I rarely post here anymore, whenever I see a post of yours, I always have to click it to see what you're saying. You are a crack up! Thanks for the laugh.....

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 6:08am
Msg #260749

**What would you do if you had 18 closings between 3-5 pm....everyday? **

Henry, You don't need to justify to anyone why you became a signing service. If you are comfortable with it, it doesn't matter what any of us think or how anyone of us would have handled it.

I don't ask anyone to justify my choices or decisions. I know when I screw up; and I know when I've made the best decision available for me and others I affect. What people on board think is immaterial to how I sleep at night. If I feel I have done something wrong, then...well, I gulp and say I'm sorry.

You don't owe explanations.

This kind of repeated agenda-pushing regarding why SSs are necessary to help you feel better, or more accepted, isn't necessary. If you have a good game plan that's working for you, work it. But, as we have repeatedly asked, talk about being a notary on this "notary" board...not about being a signing service. That's the fastest inroad to the notary community.

It takes time to develop relationships in 3D life. Same here.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 11:16am
Msg #260818

I am here to specifically talk about notaries and how to make the most income as one. Is there anyone out there who can actually take a moment, step outside the box and respond the questions...

What would you do if you had 18 closings between 3-5 pm everyday? Would you expect a referral fee from each one? If so how much? Just
enough to cover your time of making the call? Your time is money, isnt it?


I ask this of you because most everyone in here is a well respected, trusted service provider. Your clients do business with you because of you, not because you are error free. They trust you and like you.

Unfortunatley you do not have wings....

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 11:23am
Msg #260821

--BTW- As I have already stated to ALinMI over the phone, I am only here to add insight andhopefully value to this forum. I am not here to try and justify anything, we already have a great rep. here so I am not trying to fight some battle to get my cred. back. I wont mention the company, will post as myself, and follow all of Al's recommendations as to SS posting rules. We are in total agreement. Let's have some fun.



HDD

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 11:38am
Msg #260825

Henry - see msg 260554 by Alex...you are doing (e.) n/m

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 11:43am
Msg #260826

Re: Henry - see msg 260554 by Alex...already did.

Brenda- I saw his message and referred to it in my post...I also talked with him personally in regards via the phone...Did I miss something?

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 12:03pm
Msg #260830

Henry -

Talked to Alex, huh? Now you are getting me all jittery.

Will I have more credibility if I call Al?

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/20/08 2:19pm
Msg #260843

Henry -a little investigating reveals the real reason

for your question.
It's not quite as benevolent as you lead us to believe.
Google is a friend.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/20/08 2:27pm
Msg #260845

LONG------the real reason for Hank's question

Posted by Express Notary Service, Inc. on 11/27/07 3:17pm
Msg #223147

We need a sales rep. for a nationwide service!

Our nationwide service is looking for a sales rep. As we know, this is an almost 100% relationship based business. If you have relationships at escrow or lenders you can now service this client nationwide, not just locally, and get paid a fee on their nationwide business without even doing the closing. We handle all the notary dispatch and customer service follow-ups. Call with any questions or to arrange a phone interview.

Henry Davidson
[e-mail address]
888-282-9747



BUT - WHAT HAPPENED TO SAGE GLOBAL?

Breaking *News* from Sage Global

Press Release
Source: Sage Global Solutions
Tuesday August 15, 4:01 pm ET

Sage Global Forms Strategic Marketing Agreement With Investors Title Company-Could Add Up to $500,000 in New Annual Revenues

IRVINE, Calif., Aug. 15, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- Sage Global Solutions,Inc.
(Other OTC:SGGL.PK - News) announced today that its Express Notary subsidiary has formed a strategic marketing relationship with the Orange County division of Investors Title Company. Under the
agreement, Express Notary will provide notary and real-estate closing documentation services for new lenders signed by Investors Title.

Ultimately, Express Notary expects to handle documentation for up to
300 real estate closings per month, which could generate up to
$500,000 in new revenue annually for Sage. In its initial stage,
Express Notary expects to process at least 100 real estate closings
per month generating minimally $15,000 to $25,000 per month in new
revenue. The same services will also be marketed system-wide to
Investors Title lenders who administer 600 to 700 monthly closings in
Orange County alone.

"We are very pleased to be working with this outstanding company. This
is the second in what we expect to be a string of new agreements
leading to exceptional growth as we have nearly doubled our annual
revenue in the past few months," said Henry Davidson, CEO of Sage
Global Solutions, Inc. "The efforts of our team are yielding great
results and this is just the beginning. Now that we have relationships
within some of the area's strongest and most prestigious real estate
title groups, we fully expect to be able to continue our growth
through internal marketing campaigns."

Based in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Investors Title Company is a
title insurance underwriter that writes policies to protect mortgage
lenders and homeowners from unforeseen claims made against title to
real property. Established in 1972, Investors Title specializes in
residential and commercial title insurance, 1031 exchanges, reverse
exchanges, title agency management services and Trust and Capital
Management Services.

Express Notary is an online mobile notary service that specializes in
loan document closings and has an extensive network of notary agents
throughout the U.S. The main focus of the company is real estate
documents and legal documents common to the business community.
Express Notary's mission is to be the most efficient and dependable
loan signing service in the nation.

The mission of Sage Global is to present a full spectrum of online
financial and insurance services and products for small businesses and
the individual retail customer. This acquisition is a significant step
toward the Company's goal of becoming a complete financial services
institution positioning itself as a market leader in a rapidly-growing
industry.

Safe Harbor Statement
Statements in this press release about the company's future
expectations other than historical facts are "forward-looking
statements." It is important to note that actual results could differ
materially from those in such "forward-looking statements" and
"forward-looking statements" are inherently subject to risks and
uncertainties. The name Express Notary is a copyright of Express
Notary Service, Inc.

Contact:
Sage Global Solutions, Inc.
Henry Davidson
(949) 268-5995
www.sage-global.com

INVESTOR RELATIONS:
Integrated Capital Partners, Inc.
(908) 204-0004

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 2:35pm
Msg #260846

See Henry...we're not as dumb as you'd like to believe we

are. Stick to NOTARY issues and we'll enjoy life...don't try to push your SS agenda...or your "referral" business agenda ... that's all we ask.

Good job, Misty. Another SS caught being a little vague about their intentions. Surprise.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 2:54pm
Msg #260850

Re: See Henry...we're not as dumb as you'd like to believe we

You can do all the "homework" on me as you see fit. I was told/asked to post as myself here, which I have done.

FYI- My partner and I are the founders of Express Notary Service, Inc. in 2003.

I am no longer the President of Sage Global Solutions. Express Notary Service, Inc. was a wholly owned subsidiary of that company, however as of December 2007 Express Notary Service, Inc. is privatly held. In case your wondering, for why I dont know, but it has given me a chance to vet myself of your future personal attacks. Thanks it is appreciated.

I would like more sales rep's. Do you think I would come here and psot these questions for that? Why wouldn't I just hire any one of the many wholesale mortgage reps out of work. There are plenty of unemployed people in this biz that fit my candidates profile. We are always hiring talent. We do not come to this forum to do this.

Any other questions?

Now how about some answers to my questions? What would you do if you had 18 closings in a day, or is having that many cllosings in a day incomprehensible?

Any takers? Its only business...not personal.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/20/08 3:13pm
Msg #260852

I only refer to pre-screened Network NSA's

I would never refer my best clients to an agency.

Momma said that was like referring to an agency is like referring to a box o' chocolates...ya never know what ya gonna get.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 3:34pm
Msg #260857

Re: I only refer to pre-screened Network NSA's

Every other SS I have heard of considering that model or offering it has been reported here for not paying their notaries…including a good friend.

Reply by Becca_FL on 8/20/08 4:22pm
Msg #260861

Quack, quack!

>>>I would like more sales rep's. <<<

BS, Henry. You want free leads from NSAs.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 4:28pm
Msg #260862

Re: Quack, quack!

leads???????? to what besides a big headache? What does an SS have to gain here? I have 4 stars...enough qualified notaries across the country.....what am I getting from the 20 people reading this.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/20/08 5:08pm
Msg #260870

If you want to take a poll, please set up your own forum to

do it. Your just proving our point at how bad the business has become, you guys at the signing services need to find something better to do with your time than harrass notaries with tiring "what if" poll questions. If a frog had wings, it wouldn't go around bumping it's rear on the ground either.

Reply by Henry Davidson on 8/20/08 5:31pm
Msg #260871

Why dont YOU have 18 closings today?

If you had 18 closings in a day or more...like I do....and you wanted to build the biggest and most respescted signing service in the country...you would be smart to seek the answers and solutions from the people that matter most...the notaries...but everyone here thinks there is a hidden agenda...

Why don't YOU have 18 closings today? No marketing? No sales? Whats up? What would you do if you did?

Still no answer....Beuler...Beuler...Is it just too far outside the box or what? What if?

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 5:58pm
Msg #260872

Re: Why dont YOU have 18 closings today?

**like I do....and you wanted to build the biggest and most respescted signing service in the country**

Now we are getting somewhere.

We aren't trying to build a signing service. There's the difference.

**but everyone here thinks there is a hidden agenda...**

And the agenda is that you are trying to build the biggest via your referral concept and this board isn't about that. That's the agenda.

Reply by WDMD on 8/20/08 6:37pm
Msg #260874

Re: Why dont YOU have 18 closings today?

"Why don't YOU have 18 closings today? No marketing? No sales? Whats up? What would you do if you did?"

What a joke. Why is a SS asking notaries that stupid question? Talk about apples and oranges.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 6:56pm
Msg #260877

Re: Why dont YOU have 18 closings today?

**Why is a SS asking notaries that stupid question? **

LOFS (Lack of Forum Syndrome).

They need a place of their own...really badly.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/20/08 7:07pm
Msg #260883

In this market, the companies assigning the 18 would

probably closing their doors and I wouldn't get paid anyway. You obviously aren't that busy since you have recently been spending time on a notary forum asking "WHAT IF" questions.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/21/08 12:00pm
Msg #261034

Re: Why dont YOU have 18 closings today?

"Why don't YOU have 18 closings today? No marketing? No sales? Whats up? What would you do if you did?

Still no answer....Beuler...Beuler...Is it just too far outside the box or what? What if?"

You did get an answer, at least from me:

What would you do if a flock of winged monkeys flew out of your butt? That's more realistic than any one signing agent getting 18 calls for signings all within the same 2 hour window of time. It didn't happen 3 years ago and it SURE as heck isn't happening these days.

And Henry, you're just making yourself sound completely clueless about the reality of the business. If you really don't know why signing agents don't have 18 closings a day scheduled in August, 2008, then you should just close up shop immediately because your head is obviously too far up your own a$$ to see what's going on around you in the real estate industry.

And no, I wouldn't send my extra closings to you. Why don't you just ask what you really want to know instead of this stupid "hypothetical" bull$hit? You're just trolling for leads, it couldn't be more obvious or pathetic.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/20/08 11:36am
Msg #260824

**What would you do if you had 18 closings between 3-5 pm everyday? Would you expect a referral fee from each one? If so how much? Just
enough to cover your time of making the call? Your time is money, isnt it?**

There is no reason to keep pounding us with the same questions. You know what answer you want...it's not the one you are getting.