Posted by Docsaturdoor on 8/6/08 10:52am
Msg #258818

Sad

This will be my first and last post. While it's not easy to say, I'm sure it reflects the thoughts of many that were afraid to post because of the backlash it will generate.

I have known about NotRot for several years but have just recently began reading this board. And I have to say that over and over again, I am completely amazed at the way several of you respond/comment to your fellow notaries. Do you have any idea how condescending you come across? Or is it that you just don't care? I guess I just never expected notaries to treat other notaries this way. On a business level it is highly unprofessional and on a personal level, it's just mean. I have been reading this board for about a month with the hopes that it would get better, but I don't see that happening. I hope I can find another board with kinder notaries. Some of you really need to take to heart the old saying "treat others the way you would want to be treated".

I'm sure this has made some of you angry. So be it. The one who barks the loudest is the one who got hit the hardest.

Reply by Negrete on 8/6/08 10:54am
Msg #258819

Agree 100% n/m

Reply by chucke/fl on 8/6/08 11:01am
Msg #258821

Re: Agree 100%

I totally agree with you. I just responded to someone in open forum because of some mean spirited comments that were made about me. I feel that we are supposed to be professionals and that we should treat each other as professionals. I hope some of our coharts will think before they type.

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/6/08 12:04pm
Msg #258860

Chucke: Just revisted that "mean" post directed to you. OK

first of all NOTHING mean about it... it was a suggestion to fix a bad profile.

second of all it was NOT even directed to you but you could not see that for the obsessive attitude of everyone picking on you that you seem to have.

GROW UP CHUCKE AND GET OVER IT. AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT CHUCKY

Reply by ZeeCA on 8/6/08 12:31pm
Msg #258874

and for those EMWK: it started with Msg #258784 n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/6/08 11:03am
Msg #258823

**I'm sure this has made some of you angry. So be it. **

I doubt that you've made anyone here angry.

Most people here are able to distinguish the reality of who they are (and their egos) from the "projecting" you (et al) might perceive from others.

Just because Bobby Jo Posterman says I am fat and ugly and mean doesn't make it true, or real, or even worth my time and consideration.

Why would emotionally healthy human beings allow people in cyberspace to upset them?

The "words" on this screen are flat, unthreatening little beings. When people get angry on NR or get their feelings hurt, there is usually a much larger personal problem in the person who is angry.

Now, if a person ever did anything to threaten one of my children or family members...or even my own personal safety, I would be quick to take action. But...here? Hardly.

Because of ords from a complete stranger on a notary forum? Oh please. People who post here really need to get emotional counseling if that's going to upset them.

I hope you do find a board with kinder notaries. And, I hope you are able to figure out why people who post on this board have that much control over your emotions.

Being an A$$ is certainly not necessary...but being afraid of one's shadow (or cyberwords) is hardly the earmark of success or a professional either.

Reply by Luana Lonergan on 8/6/08 11:06am
Msg #258824

Sure does make you stop and think. I agree with you and think we all should take stock of what we are made of. Negrete is correct and probably gets bashed more than anyone. I have never worked for him but only read good things re: pay, etc. C'mon guys. Lets all work on this one and think about what we say. There are several on the posts that only reply if they can bash someone. I probably have done my share. Never again.

Reply by sue_pa on 8/6/08 11:15am
Msg #258828

amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

than the all important message.

I for one have no patience for people who don't know their jobs. If someone advertises and sells their services, they should know what they are doing. Several threads down, this poor guy doesn't even know how to notarize docs - one where he made an error with his stamp is understandable but when it's quite a few that's another situation entirely. I don't want people like this anywhere in this business because when people screw up on the very basics it a/effects each and every one of us. And before anyone says it, no, I am one who was never 'new' at this job.

Go anywhere and get a job. Don't tell the truth on your application nor at your interview but know just enough to get your foot in the door. what do you think is going to happen when you are asking your peers how to complete your job? What do you think is going to happen when the supervisors realize you don't know how to do your job?

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/6/08 11:37am
Msg #258842

Re: amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

<<<I for one have no patience for people who don't know their jobs.>>>

I agree with that statement when it applies to someone who's been ON the job awhile. Yes, they "should" know what they're doing. But in this business, time and experience make for a good Notary. The notary classes teach one how to pass the test, not all the ends and outs of being a Notary, particularly how to deal with people. This certainly is a customer service industry. Many do not come from real estate or customer service background, therefore, everything is new to them.

Some of the posts on this forum are not so much about the mechanics of the job as they are about the frustration of dealing with the clients. Those posts help readers just as much as the ones about the logistics of notarizing.

A new surgeon had to perform his 1st surgery....new detective had interview his 1st suspect, new attorney had to argue his 1st case in court.....we all had to start somewhere.

Regarding your other comment...it's a whole different ballgame to lie and "claim" to know how to do a job and not know. New Notaries are hungry for information and wanting to learn.

<<<And before anyone says it, no, I am one who was never 'new' at this job.>>>

If you say so, but there was "something" in your life you were new to at one time and had to learn.....or were you just self taught in EVERYTHING?

Reply by desktopfull on 8/6/08 12:12pm
Msg #258868

Re: amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

You don't purport yourself to be in a NSA business or a professional in this business if you don't even know what to do with a simple acknowledgement.

"A new surgeon had to perform his 1st surgery....new detective had interview his 1st suspect, new attorney had to argue his 1st case in court.....we all had to start somewhere."

Since your restating your comment from an earlier thread I'll restate my response in Msg #258735.

That's true, but I'll bet the lawyer didn't have to ask if he had to go to the courthouse to argue his case, or the Surgeon have to ask if he needs to use a scapel to perform the surgery.... we have a notary performing closings that doesn't know if she's supposed to notarize an acknowledgement if it doesn't say "notarize here." No wonder the companies keep lowering our fees and won't treat us as equal professionals in the mortgage field. This is a notary that is totally clueless as a NSA and as a general notary.

Reply by sue_pa on 8/6/08 12:34pm
Msg #258878

this person has said they have contributed NOTHING

to this board but they don't like the way the ones who do contribute do so. Alrighty then ...


There are actually a lot of 'somethings' in my life I've had to learn ... my golf game being the newest ... still quite pitiful after one year but I'm not asking anyone to pay me for it. I have never taken a job and ask for money while not admitting I didn't know what I was doing and numerous mistakes and not even realizing it on basic notarizations after 4 years just doesn't cut it with me nor should it for any client.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/6/08 6:04pm
Msg #258995

Re: amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

"A new surgeon had to perform his 1st surgery....new detective had interview his 1st suspect, new attorney had to argue his 1st case in court.....we all had to start somewhere."

While it's true we all had to start somewhere, no surgeon or attorney comes right out of school and starts operating or trying cases in court. They spend many years learning their craft and begin under the watchful eye of a superior (most attorneys, at least...). then have to pass grueling exams and other difficult qualifications. And can you imagine an attorney going to their competitors to ask how to do something? If anyone thinks people get chewed up here, just imagine THAT scenario! I can see it now... they're sitting across a conference table in a negotiation and one attorney asks the other what (s)he thinks. Yeah, right!

In every field, there are certain basics that a person should know before they seek clients to pay for their services. In most cases, they get some on-the-job-training before they put out their own shingle and try to fix cars or whatever. What sets people off the most here is that some don't even get these basics down before coming here to ask for help. And that certainly is not what this board is intended for.

True, comments sometimes go off the deep end and the attack dog lurking inside a few individuals manages to escape. But like Brenda said, if we're going to survive in this field, we need to be able to handle that stuff. I mostly just skip over it. It's not that hard to do. And the good stuff far outweighs all that other nonsense. I simply take what I find of value and move on.

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/6/08 8:35pm
Msg #259031

Re: amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

You missed the point, Janet. I said nothing about what happens when the person comes directly out of school. If they've never done the "thing" before, no matter how much schooling and tutoring or internship - they are still NEW, period.

A veteran patrol officer of 20 years becomes a detective.....if he's never interviewed a suspect, he's still a NEW detective, doesn't matter that he's a seasoned street cop.

Why waste time arguing with me? Respond to the original poster.

Reply by rengel/CA on 8/7/08 1:07am
Msg #259055

Re: amazingly so many are interested in the delivery, rather

<<<<A new surgeon had to perform his 1st surgery....new detective had interview his 1st suspect, new attorney had to argue his 1st case in court.....we all had to start somewhere.>>>>

And the surgeon went to medical school prior to his 1st surgery, he didn't go to a forum and ask, "gee, how do I take out this guy's appendix?"

The detective went to the academy and didn't go to a forum and ask, "gee, how do I read this perp his rights?"

And the attorney went to law school and didn't go to a forum and ask, "gee, how do I find the courtroom?"

The point is, these people prepared for their jobs, they didn't wake up one day and decide to hang a shingle. They did their due diligence and knew what they were doing before charging people for their services. They also don't practice law or medicine for "fun money".

Notaries are professionals and need to act like professionals. A signing agent is a serious job and by not knowing what you are doing, you could cost a borrower hundreds of thousands of dollars.

That is where the frustration comes from, so put on your big girl panties and get over it!
MY .02

Reply by Les_CO on 8/6/08 11:34am
Msg #258839

I for one belong to several other notary boards, and occasionally post on all. I think if you are in this business (NSA) and not frequenting this board you will be missing out on a lot of valuable information. Yes, some posts are stupid, some funny, some caustic, some rude, some wrong, some factual, some opinions, but MANY very informative. It’s up to you to pick and choose.

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/6/08 11:44am
Msg #258849

"Yes, some posts are stupid, some funny, some caustic, some rude, some wrong, some factual, some opinions"

Wow, sounds like the real world.

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/6/08 11:41am
Msg #258847

I find it funny that posts like this are always light in specifics. It's easy to throw out a blanket statement like this without pointing to any particular threads or comments. That gives your comments little credibility. And not surprisingly, the first person to agree with you isn't a notary at all, but a signing service owner who contantly breaks the rules here.

www.HowDoYouLikeMyCheesyLinksInEveryPost.com

Reply by Negrete on 8/6/08 12:33pm
Msg #258877

I am also a NOTARY AL

And could you please learn to spell Al, please

contantly, is that a word Michagan Al ?

Oh ya, don't foget OSU kicks your butts every year in Football.


"And not surprisingly, the first person to agree with you isn't a notary at all, but a signing service owner who contantly breaks the rules here. "

Reply by desktopfull on 8/6/08 12:41pm
Msg #258883

Real professional response Tony. Ridicule a board name. n/m

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/6/08 2:01pm
Msg #258918

www.GollyDontYouAllWantToSignUpWithMySSNow.com n/m

Reply by Les_CO on 8/6/08 2:36pm
Msg #258936

Re: I am also a NOTARY AL

Tony, I’m glad that you run your SS better than you can spell, or type. Because you, as I, have no grounds to criticize others on these skills. After perusing our past few posts I find none of mine and few of yours without spelling errors, or typos. Be glad this is a chat board, and not an English class. The football I wouldn’t know about.

Reply by rengel/CA on 8/6/08 11:51am
Msg #258853

Yes, some posts are not 'nice'. But there are many helpful replies that are taken as hurtful. When someone comes in asking, who do you work for, give me your best companies that you work for, how do I....... we oldtimers let them know that we are not going to spoon feed them this business. We have all done our homework and our time in the school of hard knocks and I for one refuse to give my business away to someone who doesn't want to work for a living.

And, when we tell that this is not the time to get into this business, they are the one's who get pissy at us for not sharing with them.

So, yes, there are some who don't play nice but there are many more helpful people here who care about each other and care about the professionalism of this business.
Go try to find a sweet, nice forum with sunshine and rainbows, oh wait, you don't get rainbows without rain.

Good luck with your endeavors

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/6/08 12:05pm
Msg #258861

<<<<This will be my first and last post. >>>>

While you may not like the way some respond to posts, why should that stop you from sharing YOUR knowledge and experience as a Notary? You cannot control or worry about how others post. If a question posed has received 5 snotty replies and no one answered their question, pop in and answer their question kindly. The only thing any of us can do is DEMONSTRATE the type of posts we'd like to read. And there are no guarantees there, either.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/6/08 12:45pm
Msg #258886

I wish all the crybabies would take their toys & go home

Why is it so many people think this is a place to have their hand held?
This is not the place to learn HOW to be a notary..that is what your notary class/training was all about.
Wanna be a signing agent? Take a course, and read, read read.
Look for answers here and google before you post.
This site is for professional notaries, not crybabies.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/6/08 1:05pm
Msg #258896

Re: I wish all the crybabies would take their toys & go home

A morning in my day job...

8 am - finished one package for 10 am/ started on another.
10 am - TC calls about the above... and says "oh no! We needed these to be a POA signing! Please send corrected documents asap" (No, I didn't have forewarning ahead of time...pressure's on, gotta get 'em done immediately if not sooner.)
Okey dokey. Revise complete package.

10:15 am - WHERE ARE THOSE DOCS?

10:20 am - Sent! Smiley face...check your email.

10:30 am - TC: Can you do that one we had scheduled for Friday by mid-afternoon?
It'll be tough, but sure...I'll work it in.

10:35 am - Another TC: Here's the package for that construction loan; can you work it up before 9 am? Really...I need it before 8 am in the morning? The signer's always early! Okay?
Sure...we'll get 'er done.

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There's no crying in real estate, title and mortgage. Crying is not allowed. Crying separates the men/women from the boys and girls. Whining boys and girls cannot make it.

Anger has no place...you never, ever get angry. Take nothing personal. (Qtip: Quit taking it personal! It's not about YOU.)

Remain calm as a cucumber and get your work done...go home...enjoy the tube...sleep plenty and get to work before the sun comes up. It's addictive, exhilarating, and you leave with a sense of accomplishment day in, day out. The day is only a fading memory of pushing documents into the computer and out of the printer. I don't remember who has pressed me, who has badgered me, who has insinuated I have not performed perfectly by the time I hit my front door. I'm not perfect! I am a "get 'er done" gal. I don't take my job home with me...and I assure you no one who has pressured, badgered or fussed during the day remembers any of it either. They are professionals. By the time I arrive at my little corner of the world, all I know is that there are two dogs who are grateful I come home to them each day.

This is a high pressure business we are in. If you want to be a part of it, you need to learn your worth, appreciate your work eithic, and remain CALM in all situations.

You can either pick up on every slight and every innuendo or you can be like Teflon and let it all slide right off.

Oh. Lunch is over. Back to it to see what other high pressure situation has developed. By 5:30 this afternoon I won't remember. I'll be taking a nice long bath and rejuvenating for the next day of being slammed by TCs, lenders and so forth.

Life is too short to get so frustrated and jazzed up by minutia. If you cannot take the pressure or the comments here, you probably would be happier in another type of industry.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/6/08 1:08pm
Msg #258899

So you have learned: Never let them see you sweat?~! n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/6/08 1:33pm
Msg #258908

Ha! I've practically learned "not to" sweat.

It comes with the territory.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/6/08 1:42pm
Msg #258912

It's not about YOU WHAT?

Not about me?
Too bad some others can't get past their own silly selves, eh?

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/6/08 1:48pm
Msg #258913

Read more at www.WhinersSweatALot.com n/m

Reply by Prosperity on 8/6/08 12:43pm
Msg #258885

Thank You sooo much. I admire your courage. I've been wanting to say the same thing, but was afraid b/c the energy is so negative. I really can't believe that some of the posters here consider themselves professionals. Please continue to post. Maybe somethings can be changed.

Reply by desktopfull on 8/6/08 12:46pm
Msg #258889

Yes it is, since his first and only post was to denounce those posting on the board.

Reply by Les_CO on 8/6/08 2:57pm
Msg #258946

Re: Sad n/m

Reply by Les_CO on 8/6/08 2:59pm
Msg #258948

Re: Sad /sorry about post!!!

I concur! Come on… spit it out! Tell us what you think! (You can be anonymous if you want) Tell us all how we as NSA’s can effect changes in this business for the betterment of all. Or, how Harry’s chat board can be improved. Your first suggestion…”be polite”…. Good! What’s number two?

Reply by MW/VA on 8/6/08 2:44pm
Msg #258940

Yes, I agree 100%. It is too bad that the bullies who are rude & disrespectful drive away so many others. The key is not to give up--if you want this board to be better, make it better
by participating & changing things for the positive!

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 8/6/08 3:40pm
Msg #258957

Yes we should all be aware

of how we say things and the way we say them (been guilty of that a time or two myself). But truthfully, if you can't take the heat of this board, heaven help you with some of the borrowers. Borrowers can be down right mean, disrespectfull and yes even lie. Doesn't happen often, but often enough that you really need a tough skin. I was going to say that first and foremost we are notaries and customer service people secondly, but I'm not sure that is the correct order. Yes, if we don't do the notarization properly the effects can be financially painful. However, if we are not good customer service people the effect will have farther reaching consequences. This board is a microcosm of the world. We don't have to like it, but if we're going to be in business we need to realize it for what it is.

Also, what some might view as bullying or rude and disrespectful may have only been meant as "straight talking". I just heard something the other day, "No one ever died from hurt feelings". It is part of life.