Posted by Harry [NR] on 8/28/08 6:05pm
Msg #262373
Verifying YOUR Identity - Comments Requested
It could be very helpful for a couple future projects if we had rock-solid proof of Notary Rotary's members' identities. In other words, if you're advertising yourself as Bill Smith, we would like to be able to put something like "Identity Verified as Bill Smith" on your profile. You would also have a special "Identity Verified" indicator in the search results, in addition to being eligible to participate in a couple future projects. (Yes, identity verification would also factor into the NRCI.)
Our verification of your documentation would be free. My questions are:
1) Would you be willing to submit a signed and notarized declaration of identity to us?
2) Would you be willing to provide a single copy of your state-issued identification with that declaration?
This is a draft I just threw together without a huge amount of thought, but something like:
DECLARATION OF IDENTITY
This affidavit is being provided to Notary Rotary as proof of my identity and compliance with Notary Rotary's one-listing-per-user policy.
Under penalty of perjury, I declare that my legal name is [Your Name Here] and that I am a duly commissioned notary public in the [Your Jurisdiction].
I further declare that, to the best of my knowledge and intentions, I have a single notary profile on Notary Rotary with a user name of [User Name]. It is my intent to submit this declaration, along with a copy of the identification I provided to the notary public below as proof of my identity, to Notary Rotary for the purpose of certifying my listing.
_________________________
Signature
_________________
Date
JURAT
State/Commonwealth of []
County of __________________
[State-specific language]
_________________________
Notary Signature
(seal)
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Reply by Tannis Zamora on 8/28/08 6:10pm
Msg #262374
Hi Harry,
No I do not have a problem with it. a valid picture ID is what you are suggesting correct?
tannis zamora TN
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Reply by Teresa/FL on 8/28/08 6:12pm
Msg #262376
What's in it for me?
Other than duplicate listings being eliminated, which would mean less competition for me, what benefit would this provde?
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Reply by cntrlcalntry on 8/28/08 6:16pm
Msg #262378
Fine with me. n/m
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Reply by Julie/IL on 8/28/08 6:19pm
Msg #262382
What do you mean "Whats in it for me?"
Isn't the fact that multiple listings would be removed, so you have less competion, be enough?
I'm just curious as to what you are looking for in return.
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Reply by Teresa/FL on 8/28/08 6:33pm
Msg #262392
Re: What do you mean "Whats in it for me?"
I'm wondering what those "future projects" are and why I would want to be qualified to participate in them.
If something is going to take up some of my time and effort, I want to know what the payoff is, other than less competition, which I do recognize is a valuable benefit.
The economy and state of the lending industry has already significantly cut back on competition in my area. There are fewer full time signing agents than there once were, so those of us who are still available full time (especially for daytime assignments) are seeing somewhat of an increase in business recently. Business is nothing like it was in 2006 or 2007, but it is still viable to be a signing agent if you have built up a good clientele. I know this cannot be said for some areas, but I have found this to be the case in Orlando.
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Reply by Harry [NR] on 8/28/08 6:30pm
Msg #262388
Re: What's in it for me?
Having an "Identity Verified" indicator on your profile would be a differentiator and could increase the number of referrals you receive. In addition, like I said, we might be offering a couple things in the future that would require that we know you are who you say you are. Those things could be products, free products or services, or even work opportunities (none of which I can discuss right now).
Harry
Notary Rotary
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Reply by Lee/AR on 8/28/08 6:30pm
Msg #262389
Just a suggestion....
Instead of like, say, my D. L. or Passport, (I trust ya', Harry, but I don't even provide those to TCs!) Seems to me that my Notary Commission (for which I had to provide a Photo ID in order to be commissioned by my state) would suffice. Plus, it also would verify that I am, in fact, a non-expired Commissioned Notary in the state(s) that I claim to be. I know of one who really wasn't a notary for about 6 months (don't worry, she's legal now), but was a Premier Member for that period.
What say you?? Is there a really good reason for a photo ID (D.L. or Passport) for whatever you're planning for the future?
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Reply by jba/fl on 8/28/08 8:47pm
Msg #262449
Good point Lee/AR - my initial reaction as well. Also,
if this were not to be the case, I would be wanting a privacy policy and would also want to know what steps are in place to protect my information from prying eyes, etc. Disposal methods, storage methods, whether faxing or snail mail used to collect this information, secure sites, etc. In this day of identity theft, this is my primary interest: protecting me and mine.
"Is there a really good reason for a photo ID (D.L. or Passport) for whatever you're planning for the future? "
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Reply by Christine Maddox on 8/29/08 12:32pm
Msg #262563
Re: Good point Lee/AR - my initial reaction as well. Also,
I have to agree with Lee/AR and jba/fl. A copy of our commissions should suffice for ID.
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Reply by christiSocal on 8/28/08 6:17pm
Msg #262379
I'd be willing
BUT, if you print my DL photo, I will hunt you down!!! 
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Reply by Paul2_FL on 8/28/08 6:28pm
Msg #262387
Re: I'd be willing
Harry,
I have no problem with this except the part of sending in a copy of what I used to ID myself to the notary. The form itself should suffice because it had been notarized by an officer of the state. I personally don't send copies of my driver's license to ANYONE. Why do you need one?
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Reply by Harry [NR] on 8/28/08 6:39pm
Msg #262396
Re: I'd be willing
Other people share that sentiment and I completely understand. In part, I'm trying to determine how many other people.
That aside, having an ID copy would add a small amount of extra security on our end. We wouldn't necessarily know your notary. It would be difficult to confirm that they're legitimate, that they did their job right, etc.
Harry
Notary Rotary
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Reply by PAW on 8/28/08 8:04pm
Msg #262430
I'd be willing - to an extent
I too do not provide copies of my D/L (or any ID) to anyone other than law enforcement and financial institutions when opening new accounts, as required by law.
As for your comment:
>> That aside, having an ID copy would add a small amount of extra security on our end. We wouldn't necessarily know your notary. It would be difficult to confirm that they're legitimate, that they did their job right, etc. <<
You don't need to know the notary. If you want to verify that the notary is legitimate, then contact the state notary authority. It's not that difficult. It's really easy to verify FL notaries, as they are listed online as they are in many states. If you want an apostille from the FL SOS, follow the instructions listed at http://notaries.dos.state.fl.us/notproc7.html.
Personally, Harry, I think you're being a bit more paranoid than necessary on this identification thing. Having a copy of members ID would provide no more extra security than the affidavit itself.
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Reply by Dennis Larson on 8/28/08 8:18pm
Msg #262435
Re: I'd be willing - to an extent
I agree with both Pauls. And further, no copies of my government issued photo ID will ever be allowed to reside in your database. No matter how secure you claim it might be.
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Reply by Karen/OK on 8/29/08 1:37pm
Msg #262582
Re: I'd be willing
Awhile back, a title company demanded a photo id before they would pay me. (Can't even remember who it was.) I make a copy of my driver's license, blacked out my license number and birthdate. They accepted it. I would be willing to do that here if Harry would accept that.
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Reply by Becca_FL on 8/28/08 6:56pm
Msg #262407
Ditto what Paul2_FL said. n/m
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Reply by Charles_Ca on 8/28/08 6:18pm
Msg #262380
I have no problem with verifying my identity, my business
is a personal service business and my identity is at the essence of it. No Problem. My only question is are you asking us to notarize our own identity or are we to find someone else to notarize it.
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Reply by Harry [NR] on 8/28/08 6:25pm
Msg #262385
Re: I have no problem with verifying my identity, my business
You would need to find someone else to verify your identity, then send us the document.
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Reply by Sharon Taylor on 8/28/08 6:46pm
Msg #262401
Now this idea would be fine with me, Harry
I can easily just get our local County Clerk to verify my ID and notarization commission since she is the one who issues them anyway, and she knows everyone pretty much on a first-name basis, and most everyone knows her the same way, me included.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 8/28/08 6:26pm
Msg #262386
I have no problem providing positive identification.
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Reply by sjp on 8/28/08 6:33pm
Msg #262390
No problem here.
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Reply by KODI/CA on 8/28/08 6:33pm
Msg #262393
I would agree if a copy of my Notary Commission would be acceptable. I also do not provide a copy of my drivers license to anyone. To easy to be used for identy theft.
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Reply by Teresa/FL on 8/28/08 6:38pm
Msg #262395
I agree with you and Lee/AR
I do not give copies of my ID to others. Shouldn't a copy of my Notary Commission serve the same purpose?
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Reply by BrendaTx on 8/28/08 8:20pm
Msg #262437
The Texas drivers license information is
readily accessible via publicly accessible databases.
Would I capriciously give a copy of my DL to a local crack dealer in North Bryan? Nope.
Would I send a copy of it to Harry Shoemake? Yep.
Harry and Traci are notaries...well...at least Traci is. Not sure about Harry.
People hand their DL info to us all the time and we/they think nothing of it.
Like I said...anyone could pay a small fee and have a look at my DL info online.
Not worried about it.
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Reply by parkerc/ME on 8/28/08 6:39pm
Msg #262397
I agree with Paul . . . sending a copy of a state-issued ID along with a notarized Declaration of ID is redundant . . and I, too, don't send a copy of my ID to anyone. But really, a copy of our Notary Commission is the preferred method for me.
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Reply by parkerc/ME on 8/28/08 6:45pm
Msg #262399
And, besides, Harry. You talk about security of NotRot. It's not like you're protecting the Crown Jewels, for Pete's sake (no offense intended, Pete!). We're concerned about the security of our personal info when you ask for state-issued ID.
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Reply by davidK/CA on 8/28/08 6:57pm
Msg #262408
Harry I think your asking me to prove my identity is beyond what should be required of a Premier Member.
When I pay my membership fee by credit card you have proof of my name. While it's possible that some small percentage of Premier Members may have used someone else's credit card, I would think that factor could be ignored within the concept that Premier Members are logically exactly who they said they are, as there would be no advantage to be anyone else..
Having said that, I would be willing to provide a copy of my Commission, but not a copy of my driver license. The latter one can be used in identity theft, the other is highly unlikely to be used that way given the strict California controls over the manufacturing of an official seal.
What I am not willing to do is add another $10 fee to remain a Premier Member. That's what it would cost me to have your suggested certificate notarized. While I appreciate having an 800 score and thus a full allocation of bars in the NRCI, I think you are off base on this one.
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Reply by parkerc/ME on 8/28/08 6:57pm
Msg #262409
Sorry, Harry, for the Crown Jewels snipe, but I honestly think the state ID thing is just overkill. And a copy of our commissions should really suffice. If you really need something more tangible from us, saying that we certify that we have only one identity on NotRot, why not include your statement "I declare that my legal name is [Your Name Here] and that I am a duly commissioned notary public in the [Your Jurisdiction]. I further declare that, to the best of my knowledge and intentions, I have a single notary profile on Notary Rotary with a user name of [User Name]" right on the website, where we can click an affirmative button below it. Like a lot user agreements on websites. And if you also need a copy of our our notary commission, we can attach a *.pdf file of it at that point. "
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Reply by Julie Williams on 8/28/08 6:42pm
Msg #262398
This is REALLY too much
there is no need. volume is down so everyone in panic.
Suppose someone did submit a notarized statement and as of that date, they DID have only one profile....get my drift, just like the background check....and then what is the NotRot penalty and how are you going to prove it? Getting my drift here?
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Reply by NCLisa on 8/28/08 6:45pm
Msg #262400
Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
verify not only my identity, but that I'm actually a notary public?
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Reply by jojo_MN on 8/28/08 6:52pm
Msg #262402
Re: Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
I agree. If we have proof of commission, that should be sufficient. I would suggest that you have us send a copy of our commissions along with the notarized document. The notary would be verifying our drivers license before he/she notarized it. If you have dual commissions (or three in my case), we could send copies of all. This should cover all bases. Verifying your identity and proving that you have current commissions.
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Reply by Dawn/PA on 8/28/08 6:54pm
Msg #262404
Re: Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
That makes more sense than a drivers license or passport.
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Reply by Brenda/CA on 8/28/08 6:56pm
Msg #262406
Re: Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
I have to agree that I would rather send a copy of my commission, instead of my driver’s license. This should suffice that I am who I claim to be.
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Reply by DellaCa on 8/28/08 7:05pm
Msg #262410
Re: Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
I must agree with most other posters I would rather send a copy of my commission rather than my ID.
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Reply by Cody Doty on 8/28/08 9:28pm
Msg #262456
Re: Doesn't my notary commission issued by my SOS
I agree, the Notary Commission should suffice. It proves our identity, proves we are a Notary, but does not have all the info of a drivers license that I (like others here) are uncomfortable sending to people, especially over email or fax. As long as you will accept the commission certificate, I will comply with the request gladly.
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Reply by MikeC/NY on 8/28/08 7:05pm
Msg #262411
I would have no problem with providing a copy of my commission/ID card (which doesn't have a photo) and/or a notarized identity affidavit, but that's as far as I would be willing to go. I don't see how or why you would need more than that. Yeah it's possible to fake the ID card and the affidavit, but if I was doing that, couldn't I also fake any additional documents you would ask for?
I think verifying identity is a good idea, but it needs to be done reasonably and without unnecessarily invading privacy.
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Reply by jojo_MN on 8/28/08 7:14pm
Msg #262415
Also, are you going to require everyone complies?
If not, I don't see how you could possibly ensure that someone doesn't have more than one profile. Either require it of everyone, or no one.
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Reply by MW/VA on 8/28/08 7:18pm
Msg #262416
I don't think I'd have an issue with that. I'm curious, Harry, if this is the result of the fraud situation that came up recently, where they counterfitted a seal like we purchase from Notary Rotary? It always kind of gets me that notaries won't give anyone a copy of the D/L, when we get them from borrowers all the time in the course of this business.
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Reply by Linda Juenger on 8/28/08 7:39pm
Msg #262422
Copy of Commission Only is all that I will send you. n/m
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Reply by Linda Hubbell on 8/28/08 7:44pm
Msg #262424
Yep....copy of Commission only...
But for the record I'd still love to know where all this is coming from...
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Reply by Susan Fischer on 8/28/08 7:47pm
Msg #262425
Yes to #1. Without reading former posts, my thoughts on
#2:
As a notary public, I have given an oath , taken by a Notary Public, to the Great State of Oregon - that I am a ligitimate identity, and that I will uphold all of the duties of my Office. I will give the same to anyone who asks.
A copy of a government-issued ID does nothing to verify that the person copying the document, and sending it to a third party, is the actual owner of the ID. Or that the copied document is authentic.
Sending a copy of my ID to any third party poses grave security risks that do not, at this time, outweigh the attempt to "verify" identity as a notary public.
Our notarial commissions are a matter of public record. In my state of Oregon, a stamp is required, as well as a journal. A replacement stamp authorization is required to make a duplicate, and duplicates have different commission numbers. Background checks are run on applicants, snd, additionally, I have submitted to a comprehensive background check (at my expense.)
I don't understand how submitting a copy of some "government-issued ID," with all respect for NotRot's Security measures, will verify my identity any more than a copy of my notarial commission would.
Respectfully submitted,
Susie Fischer
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Reply by aatatusko on 8/28/08 7:49pm
Msg #262426
One of the problems w/this
is NotaryRotary allows people to post not using their names. What is the point of verifying Tonkie as Joe Smith? When Tonkie posts no one cares enough to go to his/her profile which by the way brings me to the other problem..posters should have to link to their profile. I am still trying to figure out why you allow posters to do this. I realize that some are trying to get a 'true' number of visitors, but come on. As a disclaimer, I am a basic member and am still emotionally upset that my son just left for college so please excuse any spelling or grammer errors.
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Reply by BrendaTx on 8/28/08 8:26pm
Msg #262444
Love the "Tonkie"
I'm in a T shirt mood today...first "Who is Grif?" and now, I want to have something with "Tonkie" on it. Love the Tonkie word.
Sorry about your son, aat...it's a rough time of year for parents going through it.
I remember the bleeding rips torn into my nest a few years back. They'll heal. I recommend bubble baths...you could take those before he was born. Start there and before you know it you'll be quite okay with an empty nest.
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Reply by Ed Jameyson on 8/28/08 7:51pm
Msg #262428
Re: Verifying YOUR Identity - Commission yes/DL no
I would balk at providing a copy of my DL. I would rather submit a Certified Copy (in California that would be a 'Copy Certification by Document Custodian' ) of my notary commission. That way you would have both the verification of the commission & verification of identity. Unless you have some Patriot Act requirements, I can't see why a copy of one's DL would be needed.
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Reply by CaliNotary on 8/28/08 7:56pm
Msg #262429
I don't see the point of it
Between this and the other thing you just implemented, it sounds like you're trying to come up with a bunch of pretty meaningless bells and whistles to add to the website. I can't imagine that identity verification is a concern to too many, if any, people who are searching for notaries on this site.
This sounds more like an idea the NNA would come up with.
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Reply by goodgirl on 8/28/08 8:18pm
Msg #262436
Re: I don't see the point of it
I agree. I would send a copy of my commission, but never my operator's license. I, too, don't get the point. I agree this sounds like something the NNA would come up with. We are who we are. I've been me for 56 years. I know who I am.
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Reply by JanetLA on 8/28/08 8:18pm
Msg #262434
When we have the affadavit notarized, they will check ID
so why would we have to provide another copy with the affadavit? Our identity would be verified by the notary. Moreover, the notary commission should suffice. But as a secondary measure, our identity proven to a notary should be enough... I would provide my DL but would not think it necessary. And for what it's worth, I am not happy with the rating system. Of course, it is my opinion but I think it is unfair... I am a better more experienced notary than some of those with the same rating as mine... Unfair and unfounded performance ratings....
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Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/28/08 8:21pm
Msg #262439
After reading these threads...and reading them again and
again....why am I getting the feeling we're looking at some form of damage control? What the heck happened?
Sorry...I can't get by this sudden interest in rating the members (by whose criteria I still don't know) and all of a sudden he has to verify we're all notaries....I think there's something here that's not being told...call me paranoid but that MHO...
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Reply by Michelle/AL on 8/28/08 8:32pm
Msg #262446
Yes. OK w/me but didn't know ID verification an issue. n/m
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Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/28/08 9:37pm
Msg #262457
I would be glad to provide proof of identification
D/L and proof that I am have rights to my business name.
What's the big whoop?
I don't get the hoopla.
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Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/28/08 9:46pm
Msg #262461
Mist...you'd provide a copy of your D/L?
Not me - made that mistake when I first started...and learned here how dangerous that is...no need for that...MHO
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Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/28/08 9:51pm
Msg #262462
Re: Mist...you'd provide a copy of your D/L?
Yep, I know the Shoemaker's would use the utmost in discretion.
FWIW, I worry more about giving out my SS# than my D/L.
As long as it is used for business purposes, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
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Reply by Les_CO on 8/28/08 9:42pm
Msg #262459
I think this is a great idea! I'm all for it. If this is a board for professionals, lets keep it professional, and loose the trolls.
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Reply by Les_CO on 8/28/08 9:53pm
Msg #262463
I meant to say "lose"!! The trolls are loose, and thriving now!
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Reply by Lisa Prestegard on 8/28/08 10:00pm
Msg #262464
I have no problem with providing positive ID
whether it be my DL or Declaration of Identity.
I really don't understand why so many are sounding alarm bells.
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Reply by Linda Juenger on 8/28/08 10:12pm
Msg #262466
Anyone here ever have their identity stolen? n/m
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Reply by jba/fl on 8/28/08 10:37pm
Msg #262472
Don't know when or if it will happen, but I have been
notified by 2 seperate entities of compromised databases and security breeches, which is enough to set my systems to high alert.
Also, have dealt with those who have had their identies stolen. One couple refi=ed to get their house back from the courthouse steps. I don't kinow all the particulars, but I could see the real concern coupled with fear at losing the family home. (a golf pro who is on the road a lot)
If it happens to you, you can expect to spend a lot of time and energy restoring to normal so I have been told.
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Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/28/08 11:07pm
Msg #262477
Re: Anyone here ever have their identity stolen?
No, but I'd be willing to give mine away, lol.
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Reply by Stamper_WI on 8/28/08 10:20pm
Msg #262469
Re: I have no problem with providing positive ID
I to hesitate to make copies of my ID to send out. Especially since I have my BGC through here and you already have all my ID information.
That aside, I can see where you could go with this. Members complain of trolls, SS signed up as individuals. I might suggest you use contact phone numbers as a cross reference or value when running checks. Secondary numbers as well. This could eliminate a lot of problem profiles and double listings.
More important is purging those that do not update their profiles every year at least. Maybe even less. Especially if they don't provide anything more than a phone number.
I think Harry has reached a point in volume of listings that quality matters. And it should. there are to many listings that are basically useless to anyone looking for a notary and they need a quick reference as to who the most likely PROFESSIONAL an QUALIFIED one is. Anyone who does not promote their capabilitities or otherwise promote them selves do not deserve a free ride. Those who do need a way to stand out at a glance. The point system needs work. I see 2 in my area that are virtually the same yet one has many lower bars.
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Reply by Nomad/OR on 8/29/08 11:04am
Msg #262549
Actually, we should eliminate the option of
posting ID. If I switch off the link to my profile, I could have a grand old time debating myself on any issue just by flip flopping my author ID as I post.
As a matter of fact, posting with a CB handle does seem a little amateur, so from this point on I should just post with my name like an individual who isn't in hiding.
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Reply by Steven Pearce on 8/29/08 11:07am
Msg #262551
Re: Actually, we should eliminate the option of
posting ID. If I switch off the link to my profile, I could have a grand old time debating myself on any issue just by flip flopping my author ID as I post.
As a matter of fact, posting with a CB handle does seem a little amateur, so from this point on I should just post with my name like an individual who isn't in hiding.
Wow, I feel like I just came out of a closet! :-D
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Reply by Therese Burgueno on 8/28/08 10:10pm
Msg #262465
Re: i have no problem with it...... n/m
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Reply by Dennis Sullivan on 8/28/08 10:15pm
Msg #262467
I have no problem supplying a copy of my commission(s). My question is why is this being discussed now? Why would I pay for a listing on NR if I wasn't in the business? Are you trying to weed out the SS posing as notaries?
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Reply by hcampersFL on 8/28/08 10:21pm
Msg #262470
Harry just let me know what you need! n/m
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Reply by Dennis Sullivan on 8/28/08 10:44pm
Msg #262473
Re: Verifying YOUR Identity - AND REAL LOCATION ?
Harry,
When you verify a members ID are you going to also verify (require) they list their actual address? What about those who sign up in several locals? Are these listings going to be eliminated? Just wondering.
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Reply by Ronnie_WA on 8/29/08 12:08am
Msg #262483
Why couldn't we just provide you with a copy of our Notary License issues by the State Dept of Licensing? The name has to match our profile name.
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Reply by MichiganAl on 8/29/08 12:11am
Msg #262484
I'd be in - Nothing I don't already give away every week
Companies ask for my driver's license and various information every week. My location is posted in 100 different places. It's part of the job. I'm a Notary Public, not a Notary Private.
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Reply by ReneeK_MI on 8/29/08 4:50am
Msg #262504
ABSOLUTELY endorse - but one step further ...
I can easily see how verification of identity is just one small step ahead of the curve. Wherever there are groups involved in any kind of lending 'reform', there are discussions about the vendors & service providers being more scrutinized. IMHO, the day we're all required across the board to be BGC'd isn't far away, and it's a day I welcome.
THE ONE STEP FURTHER that I believe would bring much stronger credibility to the ID verification would be to require a photograph of the person to be published in their profile. WITHOUT THAT - verify all you want, but it really doesn't hold much credibility because it does NOT prevent anyone from sending their wife's best friend to the closing instead. It doesn't prevent SS's (and pseudo-SS's or opportunistic SA's) from presenting THEMSELVES as an independent agent, and then brokering out the assignments, either.
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Reply by Dawn/PA on 8/29/08 5:58am
Msg #262505
Re: ABSOLUTELY endorse - but one step further ...
I do not like that idea of a mandatory photograph. For one thing, I dont think I photograph all that well and most pictures that I am in are family types - cookouts, vacation - yeah check out my beach pictures - NOT. Besides that, my "appearance" changes often - just look at my drivers license photo for proof of that. Aside from that, people often judge by a photo and may or may not totally absorb the written words if say, they dont like blondes, people with glasses, etc. JMHO.
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Reply by Lee/AR on 8/29/08 7:12am
Msg #262511
Re: ABSOLUTELY endorse - but one step further ...
I seriously doubt that the B's go looking at NR to see what 'their' notary looks like. And the people that hire us aren't there anyway, so what is 'providing a photo' going to prove, really?
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Reply by ReneeK_MI on 8/29/08 8:12am
Msg #262516
Well, as I said ...
Confirm all you want - it is meaningless unless tied to a photograph. I might wish it were different, but to me it's math, it is what it is. If the intent is to PROVE absolutely that "Renee Kovacs" is all that she says she is, what good does that do if nobody can confirm that the person who provides the service IS, in fact, Renee Kovacs?
You can have a person confirm, live and in person, that I am Renee Kovacs. Then, you can confirm that Renee actually is a notary, has the E&O she claims to have, etc. You can take all that data and put it on a website where it can't be frauded or compromised. Do this 40,000 times and you have one glorious database of 'vetted' NAMES.
LACKING a photograph on that site & linked to those vetted names - you have gained not one single thing.
Renee Kovacs - the NAME - can be selected based on that vetted info, hired, and toss the signing to Joe Blow to perform. THIS goes on all day long (NOT by me, either!). This is EXACTLY how SS's begin, and how many market themselves (the 'hybrid' of the industry). They plump out the databases on every major listing site - and I have a real issue with that, as I consider it to be a major misrepresentation.
If each NAME must have a photograph - you're correct that many borrowers aren't going to look, but it does put another hurdle in place if you're misrepresenting yourself. It also makes it VERY easy to confirm.
Just my opinion =)
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Reply by WDMD on 8/29/08 8:18am
Msg #262518
Re: Well, as I said ...
According to the propaganda from the SS's in here, what difference does any of this make? The only thing that counts is they have "thousands and thousands" of notaries falling all over themselves to take minimum wage fees. Thats the bottom line for the majority of them.
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Reply by Lee/AR on 8/29/08 9:02am
Msg #262531
Excellent point, Renee...I went off on a tangent.
Being in AR, I rarely look at anything but my area and did not realize there was so much 'gaming the system' going on. Multiple profiles in multiple areas....and then they sub it out???? I do understand your concerns... and anger.
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Reply by psmithTX on 8/29/08 8:33am
Msg #262523
No problem with me. Just let me know when.
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Reply by Nomad/OR on 8/29/08 10:41am
Msg #262540
As far as the rating system goes, the notarial
commission should be all you need because it proves who we are AND shows that we are still active - Now, let's prove that we HAVE E&O, bonds, TPLs, etc. Fine, I can also send a copy of my E&O, but Oregon has no bond system, so the point system should include that fact and not ding me for not having a TPL or a bond.
......if you are looking at starting your OWN signing service, I'll send you one of everything!
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Reply by Dave_CA on 8/29/08 10:52am
Msg #262543
No problem
you already have my information from my NPBC certification so providing it again is not a problem for me.
I do understand the concern about providing a copy of a DL but in my case that horse is already out of the barn.
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Reply by notaryinmo on 8/29/08 12:00pm
Msg #262555
I have no problem with verifying my identity with Notary Rotary. I believe it's in everyone's best interest to make sure that everyone who is signed on as a notary is an actual notary. Wouldn't this also make it easier to spot someone who's looking to advertise who isn't a notary, as well as other countless possible questions that will arise? I do believe that in today's society, we all need to verify who we are. After all, even the IRS, federal, state agencies and tax professionals make us prove who we are before business can be conducted.
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Reply by pan/nd on 8/29/08 6:04pm
Msg #262642
Harry,
Gees you know how to stir up a hornet's nest.....two of 'em.
I gave my comments on the one....now the identity issue:
From me you'll get a copy of my commission only. That's it period.
Given these two things that you or someone has come up with (seemingly with several
problems)...I'm seriously re-thinking whether this is a site I want to subscribe to anymore.
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Reply by Mamie on 9/1/08 4:41pm
Msg #262889
I think it is an ok idea.
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