Posted by Joanne_NY on 7/27/08 11:22am
Msg #257153

Cost to Print Documents

For the person who said it does not cost $25.00 to print documents ... you are right ... it costs more! Figuring the cost of the Toner, printer, paper, binder clips, time to prepare FEDEX, time to print, electricity, and fast internet service - you are looking at approximately $34 to print documents. That is not taking into account the phone calls to find out where the docs are.
My two cents!

Item Cost Time/#Pages Total
Toner 75 200 7.50
Printer 700 200 1.40
Paper 7 200 2.80
Binder Clips 2 1.00
FEDEX 35 0.083 2.90
Time 35 0.5 17.50
Electric 0.5 0.21
DSL 0.5 0.49
Total 33.81

Reply by MistarellaFL on 7/27/08 11:29am
Msg #257154

He's an idiot Joanne

Just a troll, knowing he can't reduce fees arbitrarily, so he wants us to support that nonsense, therefore making it "real".
Isn't it something the way certain SS's choose not to recognize there are more fees associated with printing than just the toner and paper you are using for one closing?
As business owners, we rely on a profit...not just breaking even.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that nitwit is making a profit, and doesn't spend half of what we do in expenses.

Reply by JulieD/KS on 7/27/08 11:51am
Msg #257159

Re: He's an idiot Joanne

I'll never forget a few years ago when a certain company sent out an email stating that it really only costs $7.50 to print out edocs and for those of us who would do edocs for that amount, we'd take top place in their calling queue.

They went so far as to list out the cost of electricity, toner, paper by the sheet, ad nauseum. What they failed to calculate was the time it takes the 'nut behind the wheel' to do the printing, sorting, prepping. That's easily 1/2 hour of time (or more) as compared to just grabbing a Fed Ex envelope dropped on the doorstep.

This company also only wants to pay a token amount if their signings fail to fund. In the owner's own words: "This is enough to cover your costs" to which I replied "I am not in business to cover my costs! I'm in business to make a profit!" Egads...I admitted it...I'm in business to make a profit.

Say no to companies who can't understand the value of experience and that to get experience, you must earn enough to STAY in business.
Julie in KS (who charges $35 for edocs and not a penny less)

Reply by The Notary National Signers on 7/27/08 12:27pm
Msg #257170

Mistarella, here is another way to boost your fees

Ask to be compensated for the time you spend getting dressed??

Reply by MistarellaFL on 7/27/08 12:33pm
Msg #257172

Re: Mistarella, here is another way to boost your fees

You aren't going to intimidate me with your nonsense.
You're like a big ol' NSA bully.

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/27/08 12:39pm
Msg #257175

Re: Mistarella, here is another way to boost your fees

Aren't you the same person who was telling us about the high expenses involved in running a signing service, including the cost of keeping a lawyer on staff to handle problems at the closing table? And someone quickly figured out what that really meant.

People can post whatever breakdowns and justifications they want on this board, but the reality of printing edocs is what it is. Just like the reality of the cost of you sitting at a desk all day making phone calls is what it is, which is EXTREMELY minimal in its overhead.

Reply by dickb/wi on 7/27/08 1:13pm
Msg #257176

PLEASE....get real.....we are not a bunch of nit wits.. n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/27/08 2:03pm
Msg #257184

Bob/NNS...here's a way to not be perceived as a

propagandist...stop posting??

Here's a way not to be "sick of" the notary postings you read here...stop reading??

Reply by jba/fl on 7/27/08 2:07pm
Msg #257185

Aye - I second that! n/m

Reply by John_NorCal on 7/27/08 7:56pm
Msg #257215

What a schmuck! n/m

Reply by Joanne_NY on 7/27/08 8:30pm
Msg #257221

Re: Mistarella, here is another way to boost your fees

NO - actually I always print documents in the nude ... however, if I did do them clothed, I would factor in the cost of laundry soap ... get real! Make sure you never, never contact me! I mean really ... could you be any more of an a**!

Reply by SharonMN on 7/29/08 10:20am
Msg #257456

Email docs are nearly always more pages

I've also found that people tend to attach every title affidavit and other junk doc they have "just in case" with email documents (--> longer signing). The overnighted packages tend to be much smaller and better organized.

Reply by Gary_CA on 7/27/08 10:49pm
Msg #257225

I'm always willing to reduce my edoc fee...

Last schmuckity SS that did that... decided that edocs should cost $15.

Shmuckity: How much will you charge for this signing and edocs.

Gary: $100 for the signing and $25 for printing. $125

Scmuckity: Oh, but we only pay $15 for edocs

Gary: No problem, I can do it, but my base rate will be $110, for a total of $125.

Shmuckity... uh, well uh, I guess, umm...

Gary: I'm available tonight, I'm billingual, my price is $125, you can split it up any way you like.


I got the job.


FWIW

Reply by MW/VA on 7/27/08 11:33am
Msg #257156

Yes, I couldn't resist a reply to that one either. It was just too arrogant to say that
(always easy when it's not your time/money).

Reply by Alice/MD on 7/27/08 12:03pm
Msg #257162

The cost to print documents is more...based on what it cost for high speed cable, which is more than DSL is some states . Also, did anyone finger the computer cost? It is depreciated every time we download 200 pages x2. You may not figure every time we send emails and use our computer to respond or ask where are the docs is a depreciation cost.

If they prefer, get the docs sent overnight, and I will close 5 a day at a lower fee.

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/27/08 12:20pm
Msg #257165

"Also, did anyone finger the computer cost? It is depreciated every time we download 200 pages x2."

That's not how depreciation works. For computers depreciation is simply based on the number of days you expect in its lifespan, not every time you use the computer.

Reply by sue_pa on 7/27/08 12:21pm
Msg #257167

another intelligent point of view

I am not discussing the volume of work that existed several years ago in this post but the 'time' it takes to complete an order.

When docs were overnighted, many of us did 10+ a day, every day. Sorry to say, Mr. NaySayer, but we're going to use $100 as the fee example here (who remembers Title America/USA Title with $150 for overngihts? How about First Plus Direct with $175 overnights? ServiceStink with the Providians at $100-$125 overnights? ... okay, I'll stop now). Anyway, that's $1000 a day. To earn $1000 a day w/e-docs, I must complete 6.66 loans at my basic fee of $150. Roughly looking at this, picking up 10 packages off the porch, ripping them open to be sure the correct docs are in there and placing the packages in the car takes 10 minutes. Waiting for e-docs (which sometimes show up in upwards of 5 mails), printing them, being sure all components are here, and getting them in a semblance of order takes CONSIDERABLY more time than 10 minutes. At 15 minutes a loan, that's 100 minutes (a tad more than 10 and how often is it truly going to take us 15 minutes to prep an e-doc order). At your $90 we must complete 11.11 orders. More orders and CONSIDERABLY more time for the same money at a decade ago. While I'm not a college graduate, basic Business 101 from life tells me which is the better deal. I wonder if you think the HUGE title companies and vendor management companies don't think they have bean counters who figured this out a long time ago.

Why is it again you don't think we should be compensated for these services?

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/27/08 12:18pm
Msg #257164

You're not really doing any of us any favors when you just pull numbers out of thin air and use them to justify something. If it's costing you $34 every time you print docs, you're doing something very very wrong.

I don't use anywhere near $7.50 worth of toner to print docs, that's almost the cost of refilling cartridge which gives me a few thousand pages.

I don't spend 50 cents apiece on binder clips.

I don't spend anything on Fed Ex. A couple of minutes of time, yes, the occasional trip specifically to drop it off, but most of the time I work dropping them off into a trip where I'm doing something else. You have time listed separately so I have no idea what you're referring to on this one.

My printer was $300. Based on your amortization I should only be able to print 214 sets of docs (assuming I don't use it for anything else) before it has to be replaced. I'd be livid if I had a printer that had that short of a life.

My DSL is a fixed cost, doesn't cost me anything extra if I printed 1000 sets of docs a day.

My last electric bill was about $90 for 2 months. Based on your amortization I should attribute about 16% of my electricity use to printing edocs. In reality it probably accounts for 1/10 of 1% of my electricity use.

Reply by Calnotary on 7/27/08 12:21pm
Msg #257166

So that's why your fees Calinotary start at 75.00 dollars? Because that's what you have in your profile.

Reply by CaliNotary on 7/27/08 12:34pm
Msg #257173

No, that's not why. My base fee for overnight docs is $75. Most of my signings are edocs and most of them are not in my base area, which these days covers maybe a 5 mile radius. Hence the phrase "start at".

It's like buying a Lexus. They don't advertise the sticker price of their top of the line, fully loaded model, they advertise the starting price of their stripped down cheapest model.

Reply by Gary_CA on 7/27/08 10:59pm
Msg #257227

If you'll read that again Cali...

I think the OP meant to calculate what it would cost the TC to send us docs rather than print them, not what it costs us to print...

... thus the FedEx expense.

I agree that it's a bit high, but the point is well taken. $25 is a deal for the TC, especially since the charge $50.

Reply by ZeeCA on 7/27/08 12:32pm
Msg #257171

I don't think anyone needs to justify their fees or expenses

BUT that said..... that idiot ss (no names = no advertising) seems to be of the school that we are home anyway so it is something to do. he also comes across as we are just girls playing at working so we really do not need to be compensated as the reall $$$ comes from the men folk working.

I also love the fact that he is not only screwing NSAs but Harry at least twice ... he posts his advertising here continously ad nausem AND as a ss neglects to join NR... wow what class and I thought he was making $$$$ hand over fist.....(think the fist stays closed???)

of course all this rant is JMO

Reply by Les_CO on 7/27/08 2:28pm
Msg #257189

Re: I don't think anyone needs to justify their fees or expenses

Hi Zee!
You’ve got me biting my tongue! I promised myself I would not respond to this stuff.
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Still... Who’s sitting home? (With an admitted “Family Business”) Whose Sister/ Mother/ Aunt (I assume) gave him a job? As for his knowledge, and expertise in this field? We can only guess at that, (my guess he’s NEVER closed a loan) or we can try and ascertain his credulity by his posts?
Remember its Harry’s board, but the more hits the better, for him and for us (at least me, as I pay to advertise here.) Actually I sort of like all the comments (including Bobs) He may actually believe what he professes, or perhaps he’s just be an ego driven minnow, trying to make his way in a very big ocean? Anyway…. I doubt his “advertising - posts” here has done him any good, if anything he’s only driven away the best in this business. Will he attract the worst? Who cares? That’s Entertainment!