Posted by Steve Carter on 7/31/08 3:20pm
Msg #257991

No Surprise Here - LIA Signings

I was informed that they closed their doors for good yesterday afternoon. Everyone should have known it was coming!!!!!!!! Hopefully no one got stuck to bad...

Reply by Philip Johnson on 7/31/08 3:44pm
Msg #258000

If so, everyone should be calling LSI today.

Who I think was their only client.

Reply by NCLisa on 7/31/08 3:47pm
Msg #258001

Re: If so, everyone should be calling LSI today.

I was told that LSI fired LIA several months ago!

Reply by Luana Lonergan on 7/31/08 3:50pm
Msg #258003

Re: If so, everyone should be calling LSI today.

I spoke with LSI on Monday and they stated that LIA was paid in full and that they dropped them several months ago because of so many calls from notaries complaining of no pay. So perhaps LIA got their just desserts but the notaries did not.

Reply by Philip Johnson on 7/31/08 3:55pm
Msg #258005

These people weren't known for their speedy payment,

so I assume that most people did LSI work and were waiting on payments from months ago.

Reply by Notaryofcal on 7/31/08 3:56pm
Msg #258006

Re: These people weren't known for their speedy payment,

yes they owe me money from 104 days ago

Reply by Philip Johnson on 7/31/08 3:59pm
Msg #258008

Was it a LSI deal? n/m

Reply by Joanne_NY on 7/31/08 4:00pm
Msg #258009

I spoke with the infamous Crystal today. According to her, she has not worked there for several months (?). I sent her a bill to her home as well to the principles homes. I called her home this weekend and got reamed out but good by "Mike" or "Miguel" who said that she was just the office manager there but the after hours number was in their name ... go figure. At any rate ... if the intentionally tried to defraud us all .... it is a crime. If they just stink at business, then it is civil. If they owe you money, however, make sure to file with the Wisconsin and Illinois Attorneys General. If you need their corporate information, drop me an email and I will send it on as well as Crystal, Miguel and everyone elses home numbers and addresses. Regardless of whether the day to day operations of the business are no longer, the corporation is still in existence, according to the Illinois Corporations Bureau and, therefore, any assets held by the corporation are subject to our claims.

BTW How did you find out that they closed their doors, they don't answer their phone!!!

Reply by bhb/VA on 7/31/08 8:09pm
Msg #258030

It's just a signing service. Would they have any assets for us to stake a claim to? Obviously they wouldn't leave money sitting around in an account for us.

Reply by Joanne_NY on 7/31/08 11:08pm
Msg #258059

It is the assets of the corporation. Did the owner put his house, vehicle, office equipment, accounts in the name of the Corporation for tax purposes. If so, they become subject to liquidation to pay off debts in the case of a bankruptcy. So, yes, it is just a signing service, but it is also a corporation. Again, please file a complaint with the Wisconsin and Illinois Attorneys General if these guys owe you money. It is obvious that they set out to defraud the notaries who did work for them ... is it criminal ... I think that is for the Attorneys General to decide, but the more people who file complaints, the more it looks like what it was, an organized effort to defraud a group of people.

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/1/08 12:31am
Msg #258073

Just because they're operating under a business name doesn't mean that they're incorporated. A rinky dink company like this may not have bothered.

Reply by Joanne_NY on 8/1/08 5:01am
Msg #258083



SERVICES PROGRAMS PRESS PUBLICATIONS DEPARTMENTS CONTACT

CORPORATION FILE DETAIL REPORT

Here is the information from the Illinois Department of Corporations with regards to Lia Signing, Inc.

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Entity Name LIA SIGNING, INC. File Number 64366173
Status GOODSTANDING
Entity Type CORPORATION Type of Corp DOMESTIC BCA
Incorporation Date (Domestic) 08/08/2005 State ILLINOIS
Agent Name EDWARD J ANTCZAK Agent Change Date 08/08/2005
Agent Street Address 359 LITCHFIELD President Name & Address EDWARD J ANTCZAK 2432 W AUTUMN DRIVE ROUND LAKE IL 60073
Agent City ROUND LAKE Secretary Name & Address SAME
Agent Zip 60073 Duration Date PERPETUAL
Annual Report Filing Date 07/29/2008 For Year 2008

I would not have discussed the corporation or its assets had I not looked into them being incorporated. I have done a background check on all the principles and if anyone is interested in that information, send me an email here and I will share that info with everyone.

Reply by Derrick Dodson on 8/1/08 9:56am
Msg #258111

All this tells us is that they are a corporation not that they have any assets. In mot cases people incorporate to protect their personal assets, so more than likly they have non to go after. Because they are a corporation you will not be able to go after Edward.

Reply by Joanne_NY on 8/1/08 11:17am
Msg #258136

If, however, it is shown to the Attorneys General in both states that Edward engaged in a “scheme to defraud,” i.e., his intentions never included paying notaries for the services they provided him, then he not only committed a breach of contract but, in fact, committed fraud, a criminal offense. In instances of fraud, the court can overrule the protection of a corporation. Most fraud is also a breach of the criminal law and any evidence obtained for the purposes of a criminal trial is usually admissible in civil proceedings. So, I am not saying, as a non-lawyer, that this is all a slam dunk, what I have been saying is that if everyone who is owed money contacts both the Wisconsin and Illinois Attorneys General (she says … sounding like a broken record) that there is a stronger likelihood that this “series of unfulfilled promises” is better evidence of fraud. I know the likelihood of recovering anything from this jerk is slim to none. However, it is time to send a message to the “signing” companies and “title” companies out there, (close the doors, change your name, reopen the doors; don’t pay and have no intention of paying, etc.) for whom this behavior is the norm, that this just “ain’t gonna fly anymore.”
In short, if it can be shown, or at least alleged in good faith, that the breaching party (“LIA”) in fact never intended to fulfill the contractual promises from the very start (i.e. pay us) … then you have the beginnings of a scheme to defraud case – which, again, is a criminal case and is handled by the DA/Attorney General of the State. A critical element of a scheme to defraud is the repeated making of false promises and representations. As the seventh circuit of Illinois has said, "[b]y requiring that the plaintiff show a pattern [of false promises], by thus not letting him rest on proving a single promise, the law reduces the likelihood of a spurious suit; for a series of unfulfilled promises is better evidence of fraud than a single unfulfilled promise. To bring some order out of the ambiguity that exists today, courts should require that a scheme allegation will survive only if plaintiff can allege sufficient facts to show: (1) a preexisting intent to defraud, (2) repeated false promises apart from but in furtherance of the scheme, and (3) particularly egregious conduct, unconscionable or onerous under the circumstances. This information was gleaned, in part, from “Understanding the "Scheme to Defraud" Exception to Promissory Fraud in Illinois.” By Roger L. Price and Mark L. Johnson*

Reply by Jack Tri on 8/3/08 3:53pm
Msg #258337

Yep ... LIA Signing - Wisconsin is Investigating!
Posted by Joanne_NY of NY on 8/3/08 9:38am Msg #258319

The Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection in Wisconsin has commenced an investigation on LIA signing. If they owe you $10 ... file a complaint!

If any one is owned money, please file a complaint with them refering to File 500902.

The contact's name is Elizabth A. Howard
Phone 414-266-1231
FAX 414-266-1235

email: [e-mail address]

Reply by Notary/Guy on 8/10/08 2:53pm
Msg #259567

Also
File a complaint online with the FTC (http://www.ftc.gov). They doing business across state lines, using both phone and website to transact business nationwide. Federal statutes prohibit such fraudulate activities, procuring services with no intent to pay.

Reply by Ellen Smith-Faiella on 8/11/08 5:04pm
Msg #259709

Not Good! I got stuck for $1,065.00 for signings completed from February, 2008 through June-2008.