Posted by Richard Stewart on 3/25/08 8:06pm
Msg #240707

New NNA Program

I would be interested to hear what some of the experienced Signing Agents have to say about the new "Trusted Enrollment Agent" program currently being touted by the NNA.
Regards

Reply by Shane_OH on 3/25/08 8:27pm
Msg #240713

Experienced Signing agents HATE the NNA

We don't trust the NNA.
We think the NNA has flooded this industry with unqualified people.
We think the NNA has misled tens of thousands of people regarding this industry.
We think the NNA attempts to "price fix" the cost of our services with Title Companies/etc.
We think the NNA is a waste of money.
We think the NNA is a bad source of information if you have a question.
We think the NNA repeatedly gives out information that does not conform to our states SOS.
We think the NNA is generally around to milk "newbie" signing agents out of their money.

So, I doubt anyone has anything good to say about the "Trusted Enrollment Agent" program.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 3/25/08 9:15pm
Msg #240724

NNA

Shane with such disdain for the NNA, why do you list in your profile as being certified by them?
Just curious, of course.

Reply by Richard L Silver on 3/25/08 10:02pm
Msg #240736

Re: Experienced Signing agents HATE the NNA

Shane, if you hate the NNA so much then why are you a member and why are you certified by them?

Richard Silver
415-370-7479

Reply by Laura Vestanen on 3/26/08 10:49am
Msg #240793

I completely agree with Shane. n/m

Reply by sue_pa on 3/26/08 11:53am
Msg #240796

I'm as experienced as you can find

and I certainly don't hate the NNA. Everyone should use them or don't use them as they see fit.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 3/25/08 9:08pm
Msg #240722

Richard if you are a member, fill out the application, its free, you have nothing to lose.

Reply by claudine osborne on 3/25/08 9:40pm
Msg #240731

The NNA is a voluntary membership..No one ever twisted my arm to join.. I chose to sign up with them.

So for the people that do not like them, well that's your choice as well. But do we always have to hear such nasty remarks about them! Come on let's loosen up, live and let live!

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 3/25/08 9:54pm
Msg #240735

Re: By the way Congrats Claudine! n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 3/26/08 6:06am
Msg #240760

**Come on let's loosen up, live and let live!**

Back atcha Claudine. People feel strongly about the NNA. That's why they are volunteering comments.

Reply by OnTheDot_CO on 3/25/08 9:29pm
Msg #240727

Did you look at the recommended fee for this service in their question and answers? Let's see, would you drive from your home to a business and back for $35 dollars? Let's see, in most big cities it takes 30 minutes to get anywhere, so if it takes 15 minutes to do the job plus on avg 1 hr to drive both ways, plus gas charges and transportation expenses, would it be worth your time and expenses? And then, they say you will at some point you will need to have the electronic notarization equipment. A laptop will cost you at least 600, the electronic seal will cost about 75, the enjoa costs about 250 to 300, for a total cost of about 900 to 1000 dollars to do this job. Let's see it would take forever to break even financially with just the equipment you will need to buy. What a great oppurtunity! NOT!!!!!!!!

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 3/25/08 9:50pm
Msg #240733

Dot you can always say NO....remember you absolutely never know what kind of business connection you may make in the field. I prefer to view the glass half full instead of half empty. We all have choices to make.

Reply by TRG_wy on 3/25/08 10:41pm
Msg #240741

True - but what do you have when the glass is empty.

I too have been a member of the NNA for "many" years but will not be renewing when my current membership is due. They have totally fallen out of grace as far as I am concerned from where they were say, 10 years ago. It is a shame that they have managed to slip so many companies out there into their hip pockets. I no longer see them as true advocates for the notary, but instead centered soley on advancing "themselves".

Reply by JanetK_CA on 3/26/08 12:43am
Msg #240751

I completely agree with your last statement -- and I think that seems to be the general consensus around here. I might add that I didn't start out believing that. I came to that conclusion over time based on their actions during the nearly eight years that I've been a notary. I truly wish it were different and that I could count on them as the resource that I feel our profession deserves and needs.

Reply by LkArrowhd/CA on 3/26/08 10:27am
Msg #240790

Re: New NNA Program-TRG

They are a businesss, they are in business to make money, you have a choice to be a member or not to be, thirdly you are your own and only advocate.......you hold the power.
Did you believe you would make over a $100,000.00 a year, if so you must believe everything you hear and read.
Why are they not allowed to build a float? Do you harbor the same hostility towards the other float builders or just the ones you have something in common with....nothing like blaming all those around you for your misfortune.
What proof do you have they have anyone in their hip pocket?

Reply by TRG_wy on 3/27/08 8:33am
Msg #240906

Re: New NNA Program-TRG

WOW -

Well I never mentioned the float issue to begin with.

When I became a NSA, the NNA was not in the business (as a signing agent certifier), they bought out the company in Washington state that had the training course/certification for signing agents later on.

Have you not ever gotten calls requiring NNA certification, NNA only background 'passed' ....

I have NO misfortunes and I blame no one for anything. I am and have always done quite well in this business. I think your post should have been directed at someone other than me.

Reply by Glenn Strickler on 3/26/08 12:42am
Msg #240750

I did not renew a couple of years ago. I felt that my return on investment wasn't there. Plus, just plain bad info and what I considered scare tactics concerning background checks .... Hey, but if you think you will get a return on investment, go for it. Perhaps they need more dues money so they can build another $500,000 Rose Parade float.

Reply by CJ on 3/26/08 1:00am
Msg #240753

I joined when I was new and ignorant.

It seemed like a good idea. But when I read their new flyers, and realized they only wanted my money while doing everything they could so sabotage my income, I let my membership lapse. I won't even order stuff from them. They only survive by bringing more notaries into the field who pay for their classes. And with even experienced notaries sitting home waiting for the phone to ring, we don't need that.

"Have you ever had something notarized and seen how expensive that is? Some notaries make over $100,000 a year! You can be a notary too! Perfect for stay home moms."

Hey, any of you stay-home-moms making over $100,000 a year in your spare time with flexible hours as a notary? I could, if I could get get jobs around the clock, like even at one in the morning. Tomorrow is EOM. I am looking to get chores done while I wait for an email job to show up.

Reply by claudine osborne on 3/26/08 9:34am
Msg #240778

Re NNA Thanks LKArrowhead/ca n/m

Reply by desktopfull on 3/26/08 1:32pm
Msg #240807

Actually, NO I haven't and if I wanted to know what the NNA

was doing I would be a member or go to their website. I ditched the NNA when they pitched their list of LOW-BALL recommended fees to pay NSA's to the TC's & SS's. They did nothing but increase my costs while lowering my income. We don't need a shill pitching NNA programs on NotRot, most here do not have a favorable view of that company.

Reply by Gerry_VT on 3/26/08 6:26pm
Msg #240847

Trusted Enrollment Agent

I would be very reluctant to have anything to do with the NNA, but does anyone else know what this program is all about? If it's worth doing, maybe somebody else is doing it.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 3/26/08 8:52pm
Msg #240868

Here's the intro to their blurb

"Several large national corporations have contacted the NNA urgently seeking Notaries to serve as "Trusted Enrollment Agents." These companies need qualified Notaries across the country to handle the application process for issuing electronic identity credentials.

We think this will be the biggest opportunity for Notaries since the Notary Signing Agent field opened up, with promising new income streams and tremendous opportunities for business growth."

I think something like this was discussed within the past few days...can't remember the name of the thread and wasn't able to find the right combo of words in search..one post stuck out by Ernest_CT who said "am I understanding (or reading) this right?" - wasn't able to find it under his name either...maybe he'll read this and respond...but above is the newest venture touted by the .... umm... them...

Reply by Gerry_VT on 3/26/08 9:38pm
Msg #240872

Re: Here's the intro to their blurb

See Msg #240056.

A few companies are already trying to use notaries to identify people who are applying for various electronic credentials. The typical approach is to have the client and the notary fill out some kind of paper form, and perhaps include paper copies of IDs in the same snail-mail envelope. Often these companies don't have a clue about the notary regulations in various states and countries, so they ask notaries to seal papers that have no notarial wording, or they include incorrect notarial wording. A company that worked out a nice turn-key system might make a few bucks, because some companies clearly don't know how to do it yet.

I suppose there could be an advantage to a notary who had a laptop and could get the entire signup process completed during the visit, so that any discrepancies could be straightened out right away, rather than having to wait for the paperwork to arrive before a problem can even be noticed. This can also help assure that the person who signs the paperwork is the very same person who enrolls on-line while the notary is watching.

This is a case where an electronic notarial act might be useful; since the act won't be recorded, the inability of the county clerk to accept electronic documents does not matter.

Of course, people have been getting by without this service for quite a while now, so there is no assurance it will ever become important. If it does, there is no assurance that the NNA's program will be the one that wins out. The systems proposed so far for mortgage signings have a serious flaw; the entire signing is done either on the web, or on the notary's computer. The signer just types his/her name with the keyboard as a "signature" (uck). For some purposes, it will be necessary to use the computer or smart card of the person being identified, which is a departure from what I've heard of so far.