Posted by Ndwa on 5/12/08 3:19am
Msg #247122

Help me-help yourself to a new industry

First and foremost, I wanted to thank all (my friends) from the bottom of my heart for your trust, words of encouragement, and prayers to the difficult time; Your prayers have been answered. I have uncovered a whole new industry. You have been in my thought since day one of this discovery. This new venture will help me through the set back and yourself getting by the tough times ahead in the notary world. This is not going to be any internet "get rich quick" scheme that many have tried passing through the forums. It's also another "not rocket science" industry. No start up cost, but it need to involve a network of trusted individuals/partners. Yeah, that's the catch...However, I guarantee everyone will make $$$ within a week.

It's been three weeks. I am still in the process of working out some final details. I just wanted to share with everyone the good news.

God bless...Andy

Reply by Ndwa on 5/12/08 3:32am
Msg #247123

PS: If you're reading this, Tina!

I now understood the meaning of a "half full glass". You're my true inspiration, with that I say thank you.

Reply by Ilene C. Seidel on 5/12/08 6:30am
Msg #247124

Re: PS: If you're reading this, Tina!

good for you Tina

Reply by Allison_MI on 5/12/08 6:30am
Msg #247125

Don't keep us waiting too long.

interested in learning more.

Reply by Treasure Valley Notary - Tina on 5/12/08 10:21am
Msg #247141

Re: PS: If you're reading this, Tina!

Andy, I humbly say "you are welcome!" Always remember that every time a door is shut, a new one opens. And some times it is a window. I wish you the very best in any endeavor that you do!!! You ever need to bounce around some ideas just give me a call. I will always consider you my friend.

Tina

Star Trekin' across the Universe, boldly going forward 'cuz I can't find reverse!

P.S. Keep me posted on what you are doing. You've got my number.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 5/12/08 6:37am
Msg #247128

You're a smart and trustworthy guy IMO opinion, Andy.
I hope you'll be kind enough to share the information when the time comes!
Best wishes to you always!

Reply by MistarellaFL on 5/12/08 6:37am
Msg #247129

You're a smart and trustworthy guy IMO opinion, Andy.
I hope you'll be kind enough to share the information when the time comes!
Best wishes to you always!

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 5/12/08 8:45am
Msg #247134

Re: and why is this NOT considered ADVERTISING?

*I have uncovered a whole new industry* ... *this new venture* ... *I guarantee everyone will make $$$ within a week.*

Reply by Loretta on 5/12/08 8:51am
Msg #247135

Re: and why is this NOT considered ADVERTISING?

Good luck on your new venture. I, like 99% of the rest of the readers want to know if your new venture works. If it does, pm me, since this thread may get deleted for advertising.

Reply by DebbieT on 5/12/08 8:54am
Msg #247136

Re: PM me too Andy when you have it all into play.

I am game for anything new. It keeps me on my toes.

Reply by Dave_CA on 5/12/08 9:25am
Msg #247139

Re: PM me too Andy when your ready. n/m

Reply by Leslie_Mo on 5/12/08 11:08am
Msg #247145

Re: PM me too Andy when your ready. n/m

Reply by Brenda/CA on 5/12/08 11:32am
Msg #247146

Re: PM me too Andy when your ready. n/m

Reply by Roger Proctor Sr on 5/13/08 7:06am
Msg #247230

Re: PM me too Andy when your ready.

Ditto Andy drop me a line also.
Tks

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 5/12/08 9:40am
Msg #247140

It IS advertising - and should be treated no

differently than anyone else who comes on here offering work to notaries...JMHO

Reply by SoCal Signing Co. on 5/12/08 11:41am
Msg #247147

Re: It IS advertising - and should be treated no

Linda why would you even say anything at all?

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 5/12/08 2:44pm
Msg #247175

SoCal...because it's a public forum and because I can.. n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 2:51pm
Msg #247178

Re: SoCal...because it's a public forum and because I can.. n/m

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 10:50am
Msg #247143

"advertising?" Andy is one of the good guys. And, he

didn't "just come on here," he is a valued member of this community.

He does his homework. He has many friends and admirers, and has earned, at the very least, the common courtesy of listening to his ideas. If you don't need the work, what have you got against that prospect for those who do?

Good grief.

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 11:46am
Msg #247148

Just because he's a good guy

doesn't mean he's exempt from the rules of the board. This is definitely advertising.

In the past Harry has allowed members of the board to post certain advertising messages but they ran it past him first, and they stated in the message that they were posting with Harry's permission. That's what should have happened here.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/12/08 11:56am
Msg #247149

Re: Just because he's a good guy

But what is he "advertising"? I don't see any product or service. He hasn't solicited members to e-mail him.
Can his message be considered "advertising"?????

Reply by Lee/AR on 5/12/08 12:06pm
Msg #247150

Wassa matter with advertising 'work'? n/m

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 12:18pm
Msg #247154

Re: Just because he's a good guy

He's advertising a new business venture (Project Wealthshare!) and in another message yes, he has solicited members to email him. What he's doing really isn't any different than the job listings on Monster.com that tout how much money you can make, but never actually mention what the job is.

Reply by Merry_CA on 5/12/08 3:18pm
Msg #247186

Re: Just because he's a good guy

I googled Project Wealthshare.... got nothing.... ????

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 3:26pm
Msg #247189

Re: Just because he's a good guy

try shortening your keyword(s): seek, and ye will find.

Clue: no project

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 3:42pm
Msg #247191

Re: Just because he's a good guy

If it's wealthshare.net that he's trying to get people to, I think it's laughable that he said it's not a get rich quick scheme. One glance at that webpage and viewing the 30 second introductory video and anyone with half a brain can see that it is the very definition of a get rich quick scheme. Everyone else does 95% of the work for you and you just sit back and rake in the cash? Uh huh.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 4:27pm
Msg #247194

Re: Just because he's a good guy

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 12:13pm
Msg #247152

Are you sure Andy hasn't been in contact with Harry? As

Sylvia said, he hasn't advertised anything, merely spread the word he's working on something.

It's a good bet Andy knows the rules.

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 12:23pm
Msg #247156

Re: Are you sure Andy hasn't been in contact with Harry? As

Based on his "early preparation" post, he may know the rules but he sure doesn't think they apply to him.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 12:35pm
Msg #247158

Ok. We get it. You're rolling in dough, and don't need any

more income. How nice for you.

But, posting a possible stream of income for his fellow notaries who are struggling is somehow breaking some rule?

I'm sure the vigilant rule monitors have contacted Harry. I'm sure there's a riot brewing about rules and consequences for 'breaking' them. Are you sure Andy isn't in contact with Harry? Because, so far, there is no 'message deleted' action for this so-called 'advertising.'

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 1:15pm
Msg #247164

Since the message below was posted prior to yours, Susan,

you should become more currant.

There are many rule-breakers here: Gina from Ocean Pacific always requesting a notary for...city,...zip
Someone from SoCal does it too. They get away with it. Then there are others asking for notaries to sign up and some are slammed very viciously. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. This site does not need to slip further. These owners of SS's need to start to look into the listings and not broadcast...they are also lazy. Both sides need to do their own marketing and research individually, and quit being lazy. If pigs can locate truffles.....then we should be able to ferret out our own business

As for Andy's latest venture: google it. Another MLM and/or pyramid to my quick glance, which is all I can give due to this Sharpie smell overtaking me today/

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 1:15pm
Msg #247165

Since the message below was posted prior to yours, Susan,

you should become more currant.

There are many rule-breakers here: Gina from Ocean Pacific always requesting a notary for...city,...zip
Someone from SoCal does it too. They get away with it. Then there are others asking for notaries to sign up and some are slammed very viciously. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. This site does not need to slip further. These owners of SS's need to start to look into the listings and not broadcast...they are also lazy. Both sides need to do their own marketing and research individually, and quit being lazy. If pigs can locate truffles.....then we should be able to ferret out our own business

As for Andy's latest venture: google it. Another MLM and/or pyramid to my quick glance, which is all I can give due to this Sharpie smell overtaking me today/

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 2:23pm
Msg #247170

What on earth are you thinking? Since you brought up

OP Notary, Gina, ~lazy?~ Paleeze. Great jobs, great fees, pay every two weeks, always have docs, and always available for problems/questions. Yeah, that's some lousy business.

GIVING PEOPLE WORK FEEDS OUR FAMILIES. PAYS OUR BILLS. KEEPS US WORKING, you idiot.

To say that it is 'advertising' to post a signing opportunity for NOTROT notaries is simply ludicrous. Gina is not asking for people to BUY her stuff, she's offering to PAY YOU for a JOB.

I cannot for the life of me understand your resistance to well-paying work offered to our community members.

Look at the posts: No Work. Slow Here. Nothing This Week. Worst Month Ever. So, it makes perfect sense to slam a service with excellent credentials who offers work. Yup, darn you, Gina, stop trying to pay us money! Harry! Stop Gina! She's offering work to notaries, and what's worse, she pays! Oh the rule breaking of it all...

Crikey, some of you are looney tunes.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 2:44pm
Msg #247176

Re: What on earth are you thinking? Since you brought up

You stupid twit:
"GIVING PEOPLE WORK FEEDS OUR FAMILIES. PAYS OUR BILLS. KEEPS US WORKING, you idiot."
They do not GIVE us anything - we (me anyway), earn it.

My point, for your little pea brain that now fits inside your car more securely, is that any signing service can look in their own database or in NotRot's database, rather than broadcasting their need. And that some SS's are able to do so with impunity yet others cannot, well, that is a disparity.

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 2:50pm
Msg #247177

Re: What on earth are you thinking? Since you brought up

Well heck, why stop with Andy? Maybe Harry should invite the NNA to start posting ads on this board. After all, there are some people out there who have made money because of them.

There are plenty of people who would be more than happy to start filling this board with ads, and there are likely members on this board who would benefit from them in some way or another (Increasing the size of my manhood wouldn't be the worst thing in the world!). But the simple fact is that you can't allow advertising on a board like this or it becomes useless because you have to weed through a bunch of crap to find anything relevant. Whatever Andy's intentions are are irrelevant to the bigger picture, which is keeping the board focused and useful.

It really has to be an all or nothing situation.

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/12/08 3:01pm
Msg #247180

If you are going to promote something...

The best and least offensive way is to put in your profile and link to your profile.

Read Msg# 1 ( I think that is where it is. ) The rule has always been "that's what your profile is for."

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The other way is to submit the ad to Harry first. If it is an item that is relevant to the majority of the members and posters (and notary work) he will likely allow it.

Reply by Philip Johnson on 5/12/08 3:03pm
Msg #247181

One only has to look @ message 241755

to see the hell Steven Carter went through trying to build business in North Carolina. Yet not one question from anyone here to state numbers or facts about this venture. I have worked with Andy and we are county neighbors, but it does seem to me that there are those on this board who don't require from the goose what they require from the gander.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 3:15pm
Msg #247185

Re: One only has to look @ message 241755

Thanks Philip - couldn't locate this fast enough. Mr. Carter is not the only one either if my memory serves me right. He was not charging anything, therefore, not advertising, technically. Many disagree, and I had to be converted as there was one I questioned then debated with another extensively a few days later and grudgingly (at the time) came around. Now, I feel it is all or nothing.

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/12/08 3:26pm
Msg #247190

And, Harry started this strict policy in #25622 n/m

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 3:04pm
Msg #247182

Advertising = "Buy something from me." Job Offer =

"I want to pay you for a job."

How is an offer for work not 'relavent' to this forum full of notaries waiting for the phone to ring?

How is an offer for work an advertisement to buy something?

Reply by Philip Johnson on 5/12/08 3:13pm
Msg #247183

Read a little closer

"No start up cost, but it need to involve a network of trusted individuals/partners. Yeah, that's the catch...However, I guarantee everyone will make $$$ within a week."

Is this forum about Notary type work or is it about Amway & Herbalife? One other thing, how can anyone guarantee that one will make $$$ within a week?

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/12/08 4:43pm
Msg #247196

I was responding to jba's tirade against specific SSs who

occasionally post a signing opportunity on the forum as advertising.

If Andy's venture is outside the scope of notary work, and Harry disapproves, then Harry has spoken. End of it. Andy's ~first~ post was a notice, and I did not see anything for sale.

I maintain, however, that an occasional posting a signing need on a forum such as this, to available notaries, is not advertising, it is furthering our interests.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 5/12/08 3:15pm
Msg #247184

Susan, he's advertising a new venture he's involved in

Granted the venture may help everyone BUT it's also going to benefit him in the long run = advertising. And others have been crucified (and deleted) on this forum for the exact same thing....what's good for one should hold true for all....MHO

Personally, with the posts I've seen recently, it may not be such a bad idea to have a designated tab for job offers or recruiting - just a thought.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/12/08 3:21pm
Msg #247188

Re: Susan, he's advertising a new venture he's involved in

"it may not be such a bad idea to have a designated tab for job offers or recruiting - just a thought."

I like that idea (hear, hear Harry???). Then if I am looking for someone to 'give' me something, I can visit. And conversely, I can remain in a vegetative state if so desired.

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 3:19pm
Msg #247187

Re: Advertising = "Buy something from me." Job Offer =

Susan, if you're this dense I am certainly not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Suffice it to say, advertising is done for more reasons than just trying to sell a product. Last time I checked, Hillary and Barack weren't trying to get us to buy anything off of them, but somehow they've still seen fit to spend untold millions of dollars on advertising.

Reply by A-1 Signing Agents, LLC on 5/12/08 8:00pm
Msg #247208

Re: Advertising = "Buy something from me." Job Offer =

I didn't find this message that appealing from the beginning. Just him saying what he was working on. From all the posts, that was the greatest advertisement of all. I'm interested. I'll be one to PM him. One of you mentioned Monster.com. That is advertising IMO. People need to lighten up. If we want to be REALLY picky, people posting prices from Quill, Fed Ex, etc is advertising those companies for free. It all helps others and at the same time IS advertising for a company other than your own. Sometimes I have to chuckle at the anger coming from certain posters. Is life really that strained?

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/12/08 9:24pm
Msg #247216

Re: Advertising = "Buy something from me." Job Offer =

"One of you mentioned Monster.com. That is advertising IMO. People need to lighten up. If we want to be REALLY picky, people posting prices from Quill, Fed Ex, etc is advertising those companies for free. It all helps others and at the same time IS advertising for a company other than your own."

You obviously don't know the difference between advertising and publicity. Just because I mention the existence of monster.com doesn't make my post an advertisement for it. But it does give the site publicity since I stated it by name.

The simple fact is, NDWA is very likely trying to sucker people into jumping onto some get rich quick scheme. No legitimate job opportunity has the word "wealthshare" in it. I'm sure if we could get full disclosure out of him we'd also discover that he gets some sort of override for every person that signs up under him. Doesn't belong on the board.

But you go right ahead and PM him for the info. You should take down this post number so you can gloat and make me eat my words when you're rolling around in your wealthshare money. You do know you're GUARANTEED to be making money in a week, right?

Reply by A-1 Signing Agents, LLC on 5/12/08 10:53pm
Msg #247219

Re: Advertising = "Buy something from me." Job Offer =

I fail to see what the difference is between advertising and publicity. Both serve the same function. I guess all that disagree with you are wrong. Many bash the NNA and guess what? That is where I started and I do fine. Many claim that was a get rich quick. I'm by no means rich but i'm good. We can sit and pick the heck out of wording but bottom line is, it's all the same. Anytime a company gets mentioned by name, it's a form of advertising. Negative or not. Just coming from an advertising background. There are different opinions and that is why this board is here. All don't have to agree. I wish "ANYONE" who is venturing out the best of luck. I myself and going to be selling health insurance soon too. Am I advertising that? No. I didnt' mention a name. It's an opportunity. People can chose to explore or not. JMHO. Not wrong, not right.

Reply by Ndwa on 5/12/08 12:08pm
Msg #247151

Message Deleted

This message has been deleted by a forum moderator.

Reason: Advertising

Reply by MistarellaFL on 5/12/08 10:55pm
Msg #247220

Spitters vs. swallowers...

Ok, maybe I am missing something here.
I see information, although minimal, being shared here.
Nothing sold, or offered to be sold.
Some spitting out the offer, some swallowing it.
What's the biggie?
I am slow as snot here, and I'd love to hear of an opportunity, and after learning the facts, decide to spit or swallow.