Posted by Luana Lonergan on 5/8/08 7:33am
Msg #246626

My next question to SS's

From now on, when I am offered a lowball fee, I am going to ask what they pay attorneys for doing the same thing that we all do. After talking with a loan processor at a luncheon, she informed me that when an attorney is used by her company, they can pay up to 450.00 for notarizing and witnessing signings and that fee goes much higher if that same attorney does the title search.
So much for being "only a notary".

Reply by sue_pa on 5/8/08 7:35am
Msg #246628

well that's just stupid. if you're not a lawyer, then why does it matter to you what they get paid? Go to law school and carry their malpractice insurance and take their cle classes if you want to earn the same fees. If you don't like a lowball fee, don't take it.

Doctors and nurses both can give shots. Do you think the nurses demand the same wage the doctor gets every time they stick someone?

Reply by negrete on 5/8/08 8:06am
Msg #246635

Sue, who took a dump in your cereal this morning ?
I have been reading your post for some time now and it seems that you have an attitude with most everyone that comes on here and asks or says anything. Do you have nothing better to do than put down or chastise people for questions or comments ?

If you don't like the comments or questions that people ask here please go do something else with your misarable life.

Reply by justin/CA on 5/8/08 8:11am
Msg #246636

Why are you back Negrete?

You pouted and took your ball home promising to never come on this forum again after being caught lying.

Reply by Negrete on 5/8/08 8:15am
Msg #246638

Re: Why are you back Negrete?

I knew that would come up. Do you have nothing better to do at 6:10am than read and post on the board ?

I am still operating my SS and doing very well here in Ohio.

As far as being caught lying about anything, I think you need to get over it.

Reply by Negrete on 5/8/08 8:16am
Msg #246640

And I will never go away. n/m

Reply by Negrete on 5/8/08 8:17am
Msg #246641

I can tell this is going to be a long thread of post. n/m

Reply by Angelina Saenz on 5/8/08 9:30am
Msg #246677

Re: I can tell this is going to be a long thread of post.

Yall are funny!

Reply by Charles_Ca on 5/8/08 1:01pm
Msg #246728

The funny thing is some are actually serious! n/m

Reply by Gary_CA on 5/8/08 1:58pm
Msg #246739

Well if we all n/m

Reply by Gary_CA on 5/8/08 1:59pm
Msg #246740

responded to our own posts n/m

Reply by Gary_CA on 5/8/08 1:59pm
Msg #246741

like Negrette, all the threads would be long n/m

Reply by sue_pa on 5/8/08 8:33am
Msg #246647

You're absolutely correct, I do have an 'attitude' with much of what I read on these boards. We are in business (or should be) and should act like business people. Why doesn't this lady ask the service why the sky is blue? That has the same relevance as asking them what they pay a lawyer. I read all the time about people fussing about low ball fees and have to wonder why. Your company offered me a REALLY low ball fee the other week on a reverse. I didn't come here and complain - I just didn't take the order. I read that people 'laugh' at schedulers. How STUPID is that? They don't get paid so they fax their invoice 100 times - that's a brilliant move in a multi-billion business. People have no idea what they're doing - not knowing 'something' isn't the problem but selling your services and then having no idea what's going on hurts each and every one of us who earns a living at this business. By the way, my life isn't miserable but I sure do get agitated when I read posts from people who don't know their job and don't know how to run a business.

Reply by Becca_FL on 5/8/08 9:22am
Msg #246673

Spot on, Sue!

Your post said what so many of us are thinking.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 5/8/08 1:05pm
Msg #246729

Excellent post Sue! That say's it like it really is. n/m

Reply by LKT/CA on 5/8/08 7:38pm
Msg #246804

EXACTLY !!! I agree with you Tony! n/m

Reply by HARRY_PA on 5/8/08 8:19am
Msg #246643

Isn't it time to quit crying over low ball fees, bashing newbies and accept offers that are appropriate for you. You be the judge By the way, welcome back Tony.

Harry

Reply by Negrete on 5/8/08 8:21am
Msg #246644

Thanks Harry, great to be back. n/m

Reply by Luana Lonergan on 5/8/08 8:33am
Msg #246646

To Sue-Pa. Does an attorney need malpractice insurance to do loan signings? By the way, did you sleep alone last night? Your attitude doesn't become you. And for you, Harry, This forum is for opinions, questions and answers. If you don't like it, don't post unless you can also have a ;positive attitude toward other notaries.

Reply by HARRY_PA on 5/8/08 8:35am
Msg #246648

Thanks for explaining the rules Luana. It was a breath of fresh air. I was unaware of the requirement of stating with whom you slept. Thanks for your expertise.

Harry

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/8/08 8:47am
Msg #246655

Love ya, Harry PA!!!!

**I was unaware of the requirement of stating with whom you slept. Thanks for your expertise.**

LOL

Reply by CaliNotary on 5/8/08 10:36pm
Msg #246831

Re: Love ya, Harry PA!!!!

I think I need to start a new thread for my list.

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/11/08 9:53pm
Msg #247111

Re: Love ya, Harry PA!!!!

Calm down, Cali. It was only for the night before.

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/11/08 9:57pm
Msg #247112

Okay, I'm answering my own post...

like Gary suggested. This thread did turn out to be pretty humorous.

Reply by sue_pa on 5/8/08 8:35am
Msg #246649

...By the way, did you sleep alone last night?...

As I stated above, BRILLIANT business people.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 5/8/08 8:45am
Msg #246654

I am with Sue

Neither one of us is a newbie-basher, but I am also tired of the ridulous posting from people, be they newbie or not.
Why does an attorney make more than I do for closings? Come on, if you don't get it already you probably never will.
And I also get up early, and check NR...my day and evenings are busy, so this is the perfect time of day.
And did you sleep alone last night as a "retalitory statement"?
Grow up and stop being sophomoric.

Reply by ReneeK_MI on 5/8/08 9:00am
Msg #246657

Sue's one of very few in this business ...

who 'get it', all the way around. By no means do I think she's in any need of 'defense', if there's anyone who can stand on her own two (professionally attired, no doubt) feet - it's Sue. There are fewer and fewer people like her who are still game for the forums, and I wouldn't be all that surprised to see her shrug her shoulders and walk away.

I don't begin to 'compare' myself with her, but I do know a thing or two about this business, and about business in general - and I rarely pipe in anymore, either. The frustration has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's relative 'newby-ness', but with the overall lack of understanding about general business practices and professional attitudes as well as a lack of understanding how industry that we serve (lending/title) works.

What Sue 'gets' (I think) is what really causes so much frustration, I'm sure - I get this, too - when anyone in our industry fails to perform as some kind of professional level, we ALL fail, it is bringing us all down and threatens our livelihood. I can't think of a whole lot of industries that have NOT progressed through the years, the way our's hasn't - I can't think of one thing that has improved about us or our services as a whole.

Anyway - my rant is done, Sue didn't need it in the first place, but whew - she's about as valuable a resource as there is, and I never miss a word she has to say.

Reply by BrendaTx on 5/8/08 9:47am
Msg #246680

100% ditto, Renee'. I don't need to add a thing. n/m

Reply by Charles_Ca on 5/8/08 1:09pm
Msg #246732

Very eloquent Renee, you just stated what I was thinking and

you did it very nicely!

Reply by SueW/Tn on 5/8/08 4:00pm
Msg #246760

Re: Very eloquent Renee, you just stated what I was thinking and

An AMEN from my corner of the world. I never miss what Sue has to say because it's all VALUABLE and one can learn from it. The catty remarks about sleeping alone says it all...very professional. Most SA's are aware of the difference between an attorney closing and a witness closing, I think Sue's response was quick and to the point. Five ATTABOYS for ya Ms. Sue!

Reply by lubi on 5/8/08 1:23pm
Msg #246735

Thank you Tony, I think Sue from PA doesn't know what to do with her life only complain about some question that people ask. I was slammed from her last week and I didn't like it. Sue from PA, nothing to do? Than, go and find something to do!!!

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/8/08 1:54pm
Msg #246737

"I think Sue from PA doesn't know what to do with her life only complain "

Sue has always been a valuable member of the notary community.
Problem is that some posters don't like it when someone tells it like it is.

Reply by sue_pa on 5/8/08 8:51pm
Msg #246816

you have no clue ...

Reply by Becca_FL on 5/8/08 9:38pm
Msg #246821

Give me a break! I've heard about you from title companies that will never make the same mistake again. Perhaps if you would listen to the advice given to you, schedulers would call you back. Paaaaleeeeze!

Reply by Teri_PA on 5/9/08 8:38pm
Msg #246971

Anyone who thinks Sue has nothing to do has not read her posts over the years...Sue is one of the busiest, most respected agents around. Her slow weeks match most agent's busy weeks...not just in number of signings but in $ per week. She is a professional. She knows her business. Sadly, far too many people that entered this business in the past five years, truly do not understand the real estate process - all the way through recording. Value comes from knowledge and experience. I don't think there is a loan package that Sue hasn't seen. And, like Sue, I, too get sick of the questions that just seem ridiculous. The value of an agent is both a supply and demand situation and also the perceived value of that agent. Perception is reality...and the perception is that an attorney is worth more than a very, very experienced paralegal. This is a profession and the individuals who work in it are running businesses, albeit from many of the comments I've read, not too well, or too profitably. Look at your numbers and analyze them carefully...you'll be surprised (I'm a CPA - so, I seriously look at this)...And, Sue constantly analyzes and looks at things. She is not only a knowledgeable agent/closer but an outstanding business woman...who sometimes loses patience with the whiners.

Reply by Cari on 5/8/08 9:14am
Msg #246666

Sue, take it easy, too early for your negativity...

just curious, are you an attorney?

Reply by Les_CO on 5/8/08 11:22am
Msg #246711

I disagree with Sue. I think that: paraphrase: “Why do some Title Companies have no problem with paying Attorneys three to four times what they are willing to pay a notary” is a revelent question. In my opinion they will pay greater fees because they must. The reason they pay a notary less, is because they can. In some states, lawyers do a bit more than the Notary Signing Agent, but basically it’s the same job. The idea of CLE courses, or malpractice insurance, or going to law school has NOTHING to do with it.

Reply by Lee/AR on 5/8/08 12:57pm
Msg #246726

This is a good point.

'because they can' is very true. But to equate us with attorneys is not right, either.

Reply by Les_CO on 5/8/08 2:09pm
Msg #246747

Re: This is a good point.

In a perfect world the same job equals the same money. If I get someone to mow my lawn, a Doctor, a Lawyer, or an Indian Chief, it should cost the same. Now I don’t want a landscaper to take out my appendix. But if anyone thinks that a lawyer hired by a title company (not representing the borrower) can do any better job than I, closing a loan, they are deluded. Lawyers get more money (in some states) 1) because they can. 2) There are less of them. 3) They stick together. 4) Their bar associations represent them admirably. They are NOT paid for their (legal) expertise (in these cases). They are paid a greater fee because none of them feel like doing it for less.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/8/08 8:43am
Msg #246653

Attorney's can explain more than notaries can - they can't be accused of UPL as they have a license to practice law.
And yes, to another post in this thread, they have to pay for malpractice insurance as Sue pointed out. Their overheads are higher than the NSA's.
If you read the posts in an earlier thread regarding attorney closings, you will see that they can do more than the NSA in a closing.

But, I cannot see a company telling you what they are paying attorneys. Just turn down those lowball fees and move on.

Reply by Lee/AR on 5/8/08 8:49am
Msg #246656

With Sue & Sylvia. n/m

Reply by Dawn/PA on 5/8/08 9:40am
Msg #246679

Re: With Sue & Sylvia.

Ditto.

Sue knows her stuff and knows PA laws inside and out backwards. And she isnt a newbie basher - just common sense and forthright. She's helped me on more than one occasion when I had a brain fart.

I also agree that laughing and being rude is schedulers is unprofessional. I had issues with payment from a company and they knew it, but they still call on occasion and I politely decline. The same with lowballers. I have had lowballers come back to me after minutes or even hours saying they would meet my fee. As has been pointed out to me, there are a lot of companies that use to pay a fair fee and now dont, but that doesnt mean that they may have to go back to paying fair fees.

Reply by Luana Lonergan on 5/8/08 10:06am
Msg #246687

Re: With Sue & Sylvia.

I am far from being a newbie. I have had many years as a real estate agent and have done signings for 8 years. I am as professional as any on this board and believe me, I did not expect such a response from my initial post. When I was in real estate, I can't count the number of horror stories that some of my buyers told me about the inability to do a proper title search and closing for $650.00. I am in no way bashing attorneys, however, I stick by my feelings that if there is room to pay an attorney for a closing that is $450.00 plus, while such we be relegated to a mere $85.00 for doing pretty much the same thing minus the title search.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 5/8/08 1:12pm
Msg #246733

One more thing, attorney's are united and notaries aren't...

The State Bar associations are among the most powerful lobbyists in the nation and the only self professed voice notaries have is the NNA and the NNA is only in terested in the NNA.

Reply by Gary_CA on 5/8/08 1:58pm
Msg #246738

Do anti-trust attorneys discuss there fees with each other? n/m

Reply by MikeC/NY on 5/8/08 5:48pm
Msg #246775

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear..

can an attorney still find someone to sue?

Reply by Sir_Lawrence on 5/8/08 5:59pm
Msg #246780

TIME OUT!

You ladies & gents need a time out. Here it is:

Why did the referees stop the leper hockey game?
There was a face-off in the corner.

Now since the leper count in the world has all but disappeared, I THINK I can get away with this. If not I'll plead the fifth, or drink it..................

Reply by sue_pa on 5/8/08 8:51pm
Msg #246815

mercy n/m

Reply by Pat/IL on 5/8/08 10:33pm
Msg #246829

Re: Sue is brilliant.

Okay, maybe brilliant, maybe not. But she knows her stuff. There is a general lack of curiosity on the notary boards in regards to the greater industry that the notary signing agents serve. There are a few who get it, and Sue is one of them.