Posted by rengel/CA on 4/9/09 6:11pm
Msg #284279

California AB 442

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_442

Check out this Assembly bill someone is trying to get passed. I sure hope it doesn't.
Basically it says that for Transfers of title for property, the notary public will be able to accept a Matricula counsular for identifying the signer.

Makes me say "hmmmmmmmmmmmm"

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/9/09 6:24pm
Msg #284281

Hmm not just for Transfers of title of property:

SUMMARY : Adds the Matricula Consular de Alta Seguridad (MCAS or
Matricula Consular), an identification card issued by the Mexican
government, to the list of documents that notaries public may accept
as proof of a person's identity for the purpose of acknowledging a
written instrument.

Reply by rengel/CA on 4/10/09 10:46am
Msg #284320

The third revision to this bill changes issued by "the Mexican government" to " The United States of Mexico."

I don't like the sound of this bill at all. We have enough responsibility on us as it is to not have to add an iffy identification card to the mix.

I'm writing to my asssemblyperson today. Even though all of the committees it has gone through have recommended against it, it doesn't hurt to add our .02.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 4/9/09 7:03pm
Msg #284283

Oh, no....

First employer ID cards and now they're proposing this?

That ID card is not issued by the Mexican Government as the bill states. It's issued by the consulate... and the vast majority of Mexican agencies won't even accept it as legal ID because of fraud.

Juan Arambula introduced this bill. Not surprised.

This annoys me.



And in reading the comments... the NNA is against it. At least they get it right once in a awhile, right?


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The National Notary Association (NNA), a non-profit professional
association of notaries public, is strongly opposed to this bill
because of security concerns, stating:

The enactment of this legislation would require Notaries
to recognize a card of proven unreliability, . . . will
compromise the safety and security of California
consumers, and undermine the credibility of the state's
Notaries Public. Notaries in this state must not be
forced to accept a card that the U.S. Department of
Justice and the FBI declare is not a trustworthy
identifier.

The NNA then cites government research that concluded the following:

1)The Mexican government has no centralized database to coordinate
the issuance of consular ID cards to prevent multiple cards from
being issued with the same name, address, or photograph;

2)The Mexican government has no interconnected databases to provide
inter-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has
not applied for or received a consular ID card;

3)The Matricula Consular card is vulnerable to forgery and 90% of
the estimated two million in circulation are simply laminated
cards without security features. (Testimony of Steve McCraw,
Assistant Director of the Office of Intelligence, FBI, before U.S.
House Judiciary Subcommittee on June 26, 2003 (See
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/ mccraw062603.htm).)
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Reply by Stamper_WI on 4/9/09 7:11pm
Msg #284287

Re: Oh, no....

I think the federal government even says not to accept them. WI just banned their use last year.

Reply by Dave_CA on 4/10/09 10:07am
Msg #284315

Re: Oh, no....

"The National Notary Association (NNA), a non-profit professional
association of notaries public..."

I see red every time they claim to be non-profit while continuing to knowingly, IMO, do more harm to this business for their own benefit.

Reply by Lee/AR on 4/10/09 5:17pm
Msg #284388

Re: Oh, but they are....both

There's the non-profit organization that they trot out as needed and then there's the profit-side 2nd organization that we've all come to know and.....

Reply by Stoli on 4/9/09 8:20pm
Msg #284289

I'ts better to use a notary than to do a notary. n/m

Reply by Stoli on 4/9/09 8:21pm
Msg #284292

Sorry, posted in the wrong place. n/m

Reply by davidK/CA on 4/10/09 1:16am
Msg #284307

Camel's nose under the tent?

The Matricula Counsular as reliable ID is pure fiction.

So are the latest C**P ID's already part of the law -"official" employee IDs from hundreds if not thousands of CA government agencies of dubious authenticity. Keeping this trend up will completely negate the value of a certificate from a CA notary Public. Will it never end?

JMHO

Reply by sue_pa on 4/10/09 10:33am
Msg #284318

perhaps I'm dense but I don't get it n/m

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 4/10/09 1:50pm
Msg #284364

Re: perhaps I'm dense but I don't get it

Sue, this is a common problem in states that mostly border Mexico. A lot of people who aren't in the country legally often need an ID in order to get services. So many of them go to Mexican Consul offices to obtain this ID card, which is only meant to serve as proof that the person is Mexican citizen living outside of Mexico. It is NOT an ID card that is even recognized inside of Mexico, nor is it accepted by the vast majority of Mexican services or agencies. It's a common way for illegal residents to get a form of "legitimate" ID.

It is intended to be a real ID card, that's true. But the problem is that just about anyone can get one and many people have several because all they need to do is bring in fraudulent papers to the Consulate.

Not only that, but a lot of people can buy them right off the street, especially in LA. I could even go get one if I wanted... in fact, I can think of at least 5 places I could drive to right now and I could have 2 or 3 of these IDs in less than an hour. They may not look like me at all, but I could get them. Or, I could just use my computer and create fake birth certificate. I wouldn't... but it's entirely possible because they don't check that the documents are authentic and there is no means of really tracking them.

The only database they use for "security" with these IDs is to see if the same person has been issued a card previously, and to check it against similar names. But, in reality... that's easy enough to get around given the way that many Latin cultures handles naming conventions.

The biggest fraud isn't so much Mexican citizens getting these cards (they will have a DL from Mexico that works most of the time) but people from other countries like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Costa Rica, etc.

Reply by sue_pa on 4/10/09 2:51pm
Msg #284366

thanks Marian but

I didn't gt the camel comment.

About the cards - I've never seen one of these and for general purposes wouldn't accept one, even if it would meet the PA requirements.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/10/09 3:04pm
Msg #284368

Re: thanks Marian but

Old Arabian proverb - "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow."

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 4/10/09 3:06pm
Msg #284369

Re: thanks Marian but

Found this on the net.

http://camelphotos.com/tales_nose.html

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 4/10/09 3:28pm
Msg #284375

OH!! Duh...

It's not as common, but it's kind of similar to the idea of giving an inch but taking a mile.

Reply by Gary_CA on 4/11/09 12:48pm
Msg #284485

The camel comment...

First of all you have to understand one thing. The reason someone has a matricula and no other ID is because they're illegal. Period. End of story.

The "camel" is the ongoing, idiotic yet politically correct, trend in CA to make things easier and easier for illegals to continue illegally. It's bad for the state, bad for everyone who is legal and ultimately bad for them.

Oh by the way, they were not, are not being denied notary services anyway, we sign them with CW's.

It absolutely amazes me that banks will open accounts with matricula ID's...for the patriot act requirements no less. No, most of these folks are not terrorists or money launderer's but the fact is they just handed you an ID that SCREAMS "I'm here illegally, my money is illegal and I want to deposit it in your bank.

Much better would be to allow green cards as ID... yep you got it... the official ID from our INS is not sufficient but these yo-yo's want to make the ID from the Mexican consulate acceptable.

Here's the deal... if CA has 10,000,000 illegal aliens and 90% employment the solution is NOT to trickle rights to them, the solution is 9,000,000 green cards and 1,000,000 deportations. Make it feasible to be legal, control the work force, treat everyone equally under the law.

Unfortunately, this latest piece of stupid legislation isn't the camels nose at all...he's already in up to his hump.