Posted by Roger_OH on 8/12/09 8:55pm
Msg #299663

ID situation

Saw a news story about Muslim women who normally keep their faces covered in public, having to show their face for drivers license photo in Ohio.

Curious if anyone had run across a situation where you had to ask the woman to remove her face covering so you could match it to ID? Was there any grief about it?

Reply by Claudine Osborne on 8/12/09 8:59pm
Msg #299664

I have not ran into that yet, but I recentley did have a situation where I was notarizing for an Amish couple. They have IDs with no photos. In the photo area there is wording that says "Valid without photo".

Reply by John Schenk on 8/12/09 9:05pm
Msg #299666

The day will come to pass that this will not be so. I believe that will happen within the next 2 years...JMO.

JJ

Reply by jba/fl on 8/12/09 9:14pm
Msg #299669

Yeah, we'll be checking behind their ears for numbers and expiration dates. Or scanning the imbedded chips. Or, looking at foreheads. Or....

Reply by Louis/AZ on 8/12/09 11:43pm
Msg #299679

??? Chips imbedded in foreheads? Was that a "mark of the beast" reference? That's not true about the 2 years. I spoke to the Dark Lord yesterday - the economic crisis and recent budget cuts have forced him to push back the chip implementation for at least 5 years.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/13/09 1:25am
Msg #299681

When I was getting my DL renewed last month I had to go in person so took the opportunity to discover that, yes, FL will have chips in their DL's beginning in 2011. We will all be trackable if the Dark Lord so wishes to know where we are at a given time. Since I'm renewed for 8 years, it will take until 2019 for us all to be "in compliance" although I am hoping that there will be enough outcry for this to be discarded. MHO? No, this is going to go national. Cost will be passed on to those who have the priviledge of driving. Already we are jumping 100% by the end of this year, including state ID"s which will also jump from $10 to $20 beginning in Sept. of this year - I guess that's for the priviledge of having an ID.

Reply by sue_pa on 8/13/09 7:56am
Msg #299691

...will all be trackable if the Dark Lord so wishes to know where we are at a given time....

The older I get the more I "dislike" government interference on all levels regarding personal and family matters ... the more I "dislike" this stuff, the more it seems to happen.

If PA would ever require this chip thingy, my license would remain in the drawer in my front hall table ... I wouldn't carry it with me. I've only received one ticket in the past 30 years, seldom write a check in a store and if I want a drink, I'm probably not going to be carded so there would be no reason for me to carry it.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/13/09 12:01pm
Msg #299754

"my license would remain in the drawer in my front hall table"

That's a thought that could work - or how about in the back yard buried? Better!
I resent this intrusion as well, as well as others.

Reply by Frenchie/TN on 8/13/09 9:01am
Msg #299707

Claudine, How did you handle this situation? I imagine being Amish they did not have alternate ID such as passport.

Reply by Julie/MI on 8/12/09 9:19pm
Msg #299670

I learned a few things about the culture

I have not run into this in the course of mortgages as I have learned from many real estate agents that for true practicing Muslims, it's against there religion to even borrow money. Then if you get a cafeteria type, they only allow the men in the family to borrower own property so they get around our dower stuff somehow.

But I have not encountered this, maybe they would request a woman notary....guess you could refuse the job if you had to. But then again you could possibly be sued for discrimination. Enough said!

Reply by John Schenk on 8/12/09 9:34pm
Msg #299672

Re: I learned a few things about the culture

I believe that wearing a Burqa, or anything that covers your face or not allowing yourself to be photographed so that you have a valid Picture I.D. in the U.S. is wrong. Just my opinion, of course. If I can't I.D. the person through a picture I.D., or in Texas have someone attest to the person's identity that we don't mutually know, I'm not going to do the signing. You gotta do what you gotta do in your own state, but it doesn't work for me here.

JJ

Reply by Seeker/GA on 8/13/09 12:55pm
Msg #299772

Re: I learned a few things about the culture

I agree with JanetK in CA. Perhaps having a woman in cases like this would help the borrower feel more comfortable. Also, I always try to call the borrower the night before the closing and tell them in advance that I will need photocopies of their identification and will have to verify their identity.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/13/09 3:40am
Msg #299686

Re: I learned a few things about the culture

"maybe they would request a woman notary...."

Seems to me that that would be the most sensible solution.

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/12/09 11:25pm
Msg #299678

Driving is a privilege, not a right. It's interesting how people make demands under the guise of religious freedom. I would not notarize the signature of someone whose face I could not see. That may not be a problem since I'm a woman but then, what if the new religious rule becomes "Muslim woman cannot unveil their face to anyone who is not also Muslim"?

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/13/09 8:27am
Msg #299698

Happened to me once or twice. Husband gave me

a bit of grief. Explained that it was for their protection, requred
by law, required by the lender, etc. etc. He still said no.
Changed his mind when I said "ok , thank you" and started to
gather my papers to leave.
Let me have a quick look, and we proceeded to an uneventful signing.